I’m amazed that so many people seem to be denying this. It’s a daily occurrence that some scientist or another is on the radio with more evidence of what is happening. This is all just a giant conspiracy for what end? I was listening to a union leader today saying that any change in Labour Party policy with regard to having a carbon neutral economy must still guarantee the jobs of his members in carbon heavy industries. If we don’t make a radical change to the way we live, it won’t be just jobs that his members are worrying about.I think we need to take our head out of the sand and see what is happening to the world. The whether patterns in our own country should be telling us that something is going on.
My son has started going out with a girl who comes from Kuwait. She was saying that temperatures of 50 degrees are now fairly common there, something they only saw on rare occasions before.
She’s autistic dude
She must be very high-functioning then. Can't believe any parent would think "we've got an autistic child so clearly the best thing to do is put her in the global media spotlight and giving presentations and speeches around the world to thousands of people and also putting her in the firing line of some rabid selfish idiots with no morals.
I say fair play to her and I admire her greatly for what she is doing. I am sure many kids find her an inspiration.
And as for her childhood being ruined, she is talking about her education, which had had to take a bit of a sideline, because this stuff has now taken over her life and she is constantly in the spotlight.
Read again. It isn't about denial. It is about possible/probable causes over millions of years. Causes we still have but not to the same extremes. Just like we have with methane.That article is a decade out of date. We’ve have models updated and things are moving faster than ever.
seriously guys, there isn’t a conspiracy, this is really happening. Pull your heads out the sand.
Autism is a spectrum. I’m on the autistic spectrum, I don’t need wrapping in cotton wool.
Why are you trying to hard to discredit a little girl is the real question.
Read again. It isn't about denial. It is about possible/probable causes over millions of years. Causes we still have but not to the same extremes. Just like we have with methane.
Give me strength.You do understand the issue is about the rate of change don't you?
No-one has said that the climate hasn't changed over the history of the planet for various reasons, but there is no evidence taken from core samples etc that suggest the climate has ever changed as quickly as this unless it can be linked to a cataclysmic one-off event.
Plus it could be even worse than we think because going by the natural cycle we should be entering another ice age right about now, not getting hotter.
I’m amazed that so many people seem to be denying this. It’s a daily occurrence that some scientist or another is on the radio with more evidence of what is happening. This is all just a giant conspiracy for what end? I was listening to a union leader today saying that any change in Labour Party policy with regard to having a carbon neutral economy must still guarantee the jobs of his members in carbon heavy industries. If we don’t make a radical change to the way we live, it won’t be just jobs that his members are worrying about.I think we need to take our head out of the sand and see what is happening to the world. The whether patterns in our own country should be telling us that something is going on.
My son has started going out with a girl who comes from Kuwait. She was saying that temperatures of 50 degrees are now fairly common there, something they only saw on rare occasions before.
If we genuinely want to change things there is only one way we can do it and that's to make it so that capitalists will make more money from renewable energy and recyclable materials than fossil fuels etc. so they divest their interests into renewable. It's a sad indictment of our species but it's the truth.
As for the guarantee for jobs in carbon heavy industries, the offer should be equivalent replacement jobs in renewable industries. Push green energy to start up in places which currently have a high reliance on carbon heavy industry with grants etc. If they say no then accidentally let it slip that the unions had turned down the opportunity for job creation in a far more long-term sustainable industry.
Also see today that the new nuclear plant is going to be way over budget and late. For the kind of money being banded about you could pretty much get solar panels on every house in the country. But for some reason we're keeping going with investing in short-term energy but long term cost nuclear and fracking - I wonder why?
Give me strength.
So what have I denied? What don't I know?
So lets dumb it down for some.
Whatever we do there are things we can't change. They make a lot of difference alone. They have been enough by themselves previously to make a difference. Everything else adds onto them and accelerates what is happening.
Or are you denying this is the truth?
Her parents could've made her get her education first rather than sailing round the world. But my suspicion is they've encouraged this route rather than education. Rather than letting her enjoy growing up in a 'normal' manner they seem to have been drumming into her from an early age how bad everything is.
The likes of the energy companies and right-wing nutjobs have ruined her future. Her parents destroyed her childhood.
Give me strength.
So what have I denied? What don't I know?
So lets dumb it down for some.
Whatever we do there are things we can't change. They make a lot of difference alone. They have been enough by themselves previously to make a difference. Everything else adds onto them and accelerates what is happening.
Or are you denying this is the truth?
Saying "why are you having a pop at a young girl" isn't a defence. She joined an adult conversation on the highest stage.
Shoot me down but her comments were over the top. "you've ruined my life" erm what? Go and enjoy your teenage years a bit, US/EU emission levels are down massively. Point the finger elsewhere, or more specifically get your mum and dad to instruct you to point them elsewhere.
She understands that climate change is happening and on this occasion it’s man made. Her education seems way ahead of many adults for that reason alone.
I think the difference is that as you get older other pressures take over and compromises have to be made on idealism. Kids/young adults have been highlighting this issue for decades in one way or another, even going back to things like the hippies when climate science was largely unheard of. I was well aware of the growing issue of climate change by her age.
I'm willing to bet in 20 years the children of the kids campaigning now will be complaining to their parents that something needs to be done and why haven't you taken action. Every generation ends up kicking the can down the road because ultimately other more time-pressing issues take precedence and before you know it 20-30 years have passed and you've inadvertently ended up passing the buck to the next generation.
As I said above the only way to solve this is to make it so someone can make more money from it than the stuff damaging the planet.
I say fair play to her and I admire her greatly for what she is doing. I am sure many kids find her an inspiration.
And as for her childhood being ruined, she is talking about her education, which had had to take a bit of a sideline, because this stuff has now taken over her life and she is constantly in the spotlight.
That's how I see it. I think cutting meat consumption as well, which isn't going happen.
I think that’s already happening with things like wind power. Wind and Solar is already comparable with fossil fuel and whereas the cost of fossil fuel generation is rising the cost of wind and solar is falling. It wasn’t that long ago it was twice the price per MWh and it’s now on par. Problem is fossil fuel isn’t being phased out quickly enough. Countries like Denmark are decades ahead of us as they started investing in alternative generation to fossil fuel in the Suez crisis as they recognised that their dependence on fossil fuel was easily compromised and could force the country to a standstill. It wasn’t even an environmental decision initially, it was an economic decision.
Short term definitely not. Longer term, who knows? There are definitely more people becoming vegetarian/vegan or having meat free days. I think insects may become a stepping stone over time. It's one of my worst traits but I've reduced the amount of met I eat but my energy levels drop drastically and alternatives like soya and tofu just seem to disagree with me.
Even less likely is the need to find a new economic model which is not obsessed with growth but sustainability. Models which desire ever growing consumption and population levels, but the planet isn't expanding with us. It can't carry on. As a species we spent hundreds of thousands of years with a steady population around 1bn. In a few hundred years it's gone up to nearly 8bn and counting. It can't carry on and if we don't redress the balance nature eventually will and that will be truly terrifying to witness. The plagues of medieval Europe will be like an outbreak of the common cold in comparison.
Short term definitely not. Longer term, who knows? There are definitely more people becoming vegetarian/vegan or having meat free days. I think insects may become a stepping stone over time. It's one of my worst traits but I've reduced the amount of met I eat but my energy levels drop drastically and alternatives like soya and tofu just seem to disagree with me.
Even less likely is the need to find a new economic model which is not obsessed with growth but sustainability. Models which desire ever growing consumption and population levels, but the planet isn't expanding with us. It can't carry on. As a species we spent hundreds of thousands of years with a steady population around 1bn. In a few hundred years it's gone up to nearly 8bn and counting. It can't carry on and if we don't redress the balance nature eventually will and that will be truly terrifying to witness. The plagues of medieval Europe will be like an outbreak of the common cold in comparison.
I think people are being incredibly harsh on her to be honest.Self inflicted and I am sure they don't mind the spotlight? Sounds more like give up school and do this instead, to me.
I agree with Climate Change needing tackling though!
Saying "why are you having a pop at a young girl" isn't a defence. She joined an adult conversation on the highest stage.
Shoot me down but her comments were over the top. "you've ruined my life" erm what? Go and enjoy your teenage years a bit, US/EU emission levels are down massively. Point the finger elsewhere, or more specifically get your mum and dad to instruct you to point them elsewhere.
I went and watched a film called game changer the other week and although it was about promoting plant based diets for health benefits and dismissing the myth that we need to eat meat and dairy it touched briefly on the environmental impact of eating meat and dairy and it was staggering. I haven’t had chance to fact check the claims and I’m going from memory so bare with me if I haven’t got the details 100% correct. If everyone stopped eating meat and dairy it would be the equivalent of taking the worlds transportation system out the loop. That’s the meat and dairy industries carbon footprint being comparable to every car, every van, every lorry, every train, every ship and every aeroplane in the world. The single biggest reason for clearing forests and jungle is to grow crops, 80% of which will be used as animal feed by the meat and dairy industry. The second biggest reason is for ranching for the meat and dairy industry. So basically eating meat and dairy makes you 100% responsible for the second biggest reason for deforestation and 80% for the first. Even then the second bit is questionable as it takes many more acres to support a meat and dairy based diet than it does a plant based diet so a plant based diet would not only negate the need for deforestation it could actually make land available the size of Africa to reinstate forests lost to deforestation. Then you get into water consumption. The amount of water needed to produce 1 hamburger is staggering.
I think people are being incredibly harsh on her to be honest.
My daughter says there are 15 year olds at her school in Birmingham getting really active and going down to parliament off their own backs to protest.
apparently even insect numbers are reducing which could have potentially devastating effects apparently.
I read up on her little while back and I don't think the pulling strings concept is valid to be honest.
'Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it. Three years later she became depressed and lethargic, stopped talking and eating, and was eventually diagnosed with Asperger's and selective mutism.
For about two years, Thunberg challenged her parents to lower the family's carbon footprint and give up flying, which in part meant her mother had to give up her international career as an opera singer.
Thunberg credits her parents' eventual response and lifestyle changes with giving her hope and belief that she could make a difference.'
she's sailed to New York in a yacht, lead a global protest and share a stage with the POTUS.
That beats drinking white lightening and getting fingered round the back of the local youth club.
Oh no doubt, she's living the life. Why's she so angry then? Because she's an actress fed her lines by her parents and handlers.
I've heard she is incredibly stubborn and driven and is not one to be bossed about or manipulated at all.Yes, autistic children are notoriously easy to manipulate!!
I've heard she is incredibly stubborn and driven and is not one to be bossed about or manipulated at all.
Yep and agree on the austic comment. I worked at a place that dealt with autistic children and they were anything but easily manipulated.
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