Hamer (4 Viewers)

Skybluedownunder · Jul 18, 2023

What I don’t understand is all the little clues in the Coventry videos alude to that he has signed already and they’ve been waiting to release to media. For that to have not happened seems very weird to have had the timer in the gym and then the cone on the field.

£15m is good money and great for a rebuild, such a shame we’ve missed out on Jason Knight as he would have been ideal

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Londonccfcfan · Jul 18, 2023

TomRad85 said:
yeh, the only thing for certain is that Sheaf and Hamer are the best 2 and arguably the best 2 in the division.

As a pair there isnt even an argument. Shame our rebuild wont be built around the pair of them.

Levship20 · Jul 18, 2023

Sick Boy said:
Not sure if you're just naive, clueless or both.

No just polite, likes to add to a normal debate and someone who is friends with a premiership player and basically knows how a lot of this works. Sorry if you were offended by a normal point raised

slowpoke · Jul 18, 2023

Robinshio said:
huddersfield and Luton got in the play offs last year, Barnsley the year before - the normal is that there is room for 1 or 2 teams to over perform

Yep, Middlesbrough & Sunderland.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jul 18, 2023

Robinshio said:
huddersfield and Luton got in the play offs last year, Barnsley the year before - the normal is that there is room for 1 or 2 teams to over perform

Huddersfield were still receiving parachute payments. Luton and Barnsley didn’t make the final those years - yes you always get 1 team in there but the final is very rarely two teams like us and Luton

SBT · Jul 18, 2023

Skybluedownunder said:
What I don’t understand is all the little clues in the Coventry videos alude to that he has signed already and they’ve been waiting to release to media. For that to have not happened seems very weird to have had the timer in the gym and then the cone on the field.

£15m is good money and great for a rebuild, such a shame we’ve missed out on Jason Knight as he would have been ideal

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Surely the timer in the gym was just a scoreboard to count the number of reps done by a certain player? (In this case, #38)

pusbccfc · Jul 18, 2023

Samo said:
Why on earth would you think they haven't planned for that eventuality? That would be absurdly stupid.

I agree with Fernando, I really don't see us being prepared to sell Hamer.

Equally, I see Hamer extremely difficult to replace. Possibly more challenging than Vik.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 18, 2023

Londonccfcfan said:
As a pair there isnt even an argument. Shame our rebuild wont be built around the pair of them.

Wouldn’t be much of a ‘rebuild’ if we keep the star players. The cost of losing the playoffs was the potential loss our two superstars.

If we got £15m for Hamer, that’s a v good deal to be honest.

Robins and his staff aren’t naive, they will have plans for Hamer leaving. So far, our signings have been solid and the squad will be of a higher standard overall. Albeit without the star quality we had last season.

cooperskyblue · Jul 18, 2023

The fact is at all football clubs there is a natural progression of players. This summer was/is a big one as we are signing players & building the foundation and spine of our side for the next several seasons. So it is crucial we get it right and so far I think these signings look that way.

We all become very emotional about players and how they are "going to be really difficult to replace". I remember the year we won L1, Liam Walsh was "irreplaceable", yet we did it with Hamer.
Gyokeres we have turned into a £20m player and now have a younger striker who again can be developed by Robins to be the next big asset and fans favourite.

With Hamer, of course he would be a big big loss but there are players out there who we might not know about (like Hamer) who can be the next assets.
Just got to trust in our coaching staff & recruitment team to do their jobs.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 18, 2023

cooperskyblue said:
The fact is at all football clubs there is a natural progression of players. This summer was/is a big one as we are signing players & building the foundation and spine of our side for the next several seasons. So it is crucial we get it right and so far I think these signings look that way.

We all become very emotional about players and how they are "going to be really difficult to replace". I remember the year we won L1, Liam Walsh was "irreplaceable", yet we did it with Hamer.
Gyokeres we have turned into a £20m player and now have a younger striker who again can be developed by Robins to be the next big asset and fans favourite.

With Hamer, of course he would be a big big loss but there are players out there who we might not know about (like Hamer) who can be the next assets.
Just got to trust in our coaching staff & recruitment team to do their jobs.

Exactly, players come and go. If Hamer is unwilling to sign the best terms we can offer, then we have to extract the most value out of him.

He is good enough for the Premiership so it’s natural to want that progression. If we can get 2-4 good quality permanent signings out of his fee, it’s good value.

Speedie's Head · Jul 18, 2023

Skybluedownunder said:
What I don’t understand is all the little clues in the Coventry videos alude to that he has signed already and they’ve been waiting to release to media. For that to have not happened seems very weird to have had the timer in the gym and then the cone on the field.

£15m is good money and great for a rebuild, such a shame we’ve missed out on Jason Knight as he would have been ideal

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We all took it mean contract but it just could have been to do with fitness I suppose.

shmmeee · Jul 18, 2023

THERES NO CLUES! You’re all seeing things because you want Hamer news. Stop being mental.

Speedie's Head · Jul 18, 2023

shmmeee said:
THERES NO CLUES! You’re all seeing things because you want Hamer news. Stop being mental.

Yes, that's a more blunt way to put it

DrPoolittle · Jul 18, 2023

If the club sell Hamer, it has cock all to do with the club's ambition and everything to do with the player's intent. Hamer can sign for a new club in January and CCFC risk losing a huge transfer fee.
Hamer can earn a significant amount more at Burnley and get a signing-on fee and play in the PL, so it makes perfect sense for him.

As for replacements, Cov have long been linked with Louie Sibley from Derby. He might not be the actual replacement but the club is clearly actively scouting.

A couple of weeks ago, I was more confident that Hamer would stay. Now, I am confident he will leave. No different from when Robbie Keane demanded to leave

skybluestub · Jul 18, 2023

shmmeee said:
THERES NO CLUES! You’re all seeing things because you want Hamer news. Stop being mental.

Nailed it. I think this off season has us all delirious, I still live in hope though!

Frostie · Jul 18, 2023

pusbccfc said:
I agree with Fernando, I really don't see us being prepared to sell Hamer.

Equally, I see Hamer extremely difficult to replace. Possibly more challenging than Vik.

Robins had expected to lose Hamer last summer & so definitely had an idea of a replacement then.

Times change though, those players may have moved on, signed new deals etc. etc. We also have a new recruitment team of course. There will be names on the table though for sure, MR is not naïve enough to think after the season he had that Hamer wouldn't be in demand.

Sick Boy · Jul 18, 2023

Levship20 said:
No just polite, likes to add to a normal debate and someone who is friends with a premiership player and basically knows how a lot of this works. Sorry if you were offended by a normal point raised

I’m not offended at all.
I just can’t believe that someone would actually think that Hamer is being prevented from a signing a new contract against his wishes because of his agent, or that agents are hired and retained by players despite working to against their wishes and seemingly holding them to ransom so they can make money.

shmmeee · Jul 18, 2023

I just love the idea that the admin, who we might know from previous puzzle hits of “Simms is a bit like The Sims” and “Collins like the dictionary” is suddenly going full Illuminati setting up hidden messages in training montages.

fatso · Jul 18, 2023

IMHO Hamer is here until we find an adequate replacement, then if someone offers reasonable money he will go, unless he decides to run down his contract and leave next year on a free.

Why else would he choose to not sign the contract extension? His agent is keeping his options open knowing he can talk to other clubs in Jan.

slowpoke · Jul 18, 2023

DrPoolittle said:
If the club sell Hamer, it has cock all to do with the club's ambition and everything to do with the player's intent. Hamer can sign for a new club in January and CCFC risk losing a huge transfer fee.
Hamer can earn a significant amount more at Burnley and get a signing-on fee and play in the PL, so it makes perfect sense for him.

As for replacements, Cov have long been linked with Louie Sibley from Derby. He might not be the actual replacement but the club is clearly actively scouting.

A couple of weeks ago, I was more confident that Hamer would stay. Now, I am confident he will leave. No different from when Robbie Keane demanded to leave

Robbie Keane didn’t demand to leave.

Darth Robins · Jul 18, 2023

I'm told that the clock at Ryton was like that because Doug is big into numerology and was trying to subconsciously implant the idea of a 4 year deal into Gus' brain. It doesn't seem to have worked.

Sick Boy · Jul 18, 2023

slowpoke said:
Robbie Keane didn’t demand to leave.

How could the club stand in the way of him playing for the club he'd always supported?

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Jul 18, 2023

hamertime said:
If hes not at Forest Green it means hes gone, wont want him getting injured. Its gone too quiet on him so the writing is on the wall. As long as the money goes back in to the squad then its sound.

Yeah and watch this thread if he's not in the squad tonight.

Skyblueweeman · Jul 18, 2023

Sick Boy said:
I’m not offended at all.
I just can’t believe that someone would actually think that Hamer is being prevented from a signing a new contract against his wishes because of his agent, or that agents are hired and retained by players despite working to against their wishes and seemingly holding them to ransom so they can make money.

I mean, to be fair, I've met a few agents and I'm pretty sure some would try and talk their clients out of signing contracts as they can earn better money elsewhere (for both of them).

Sick Boy · Jul 18, 2023

Skyblueweeman said:
I mean, to be fair, I've met a few agents and I'm pretty sure some would try and talk their clients out of signing contracts as they can earn better money elsewhere (for both of them).

Yeah but they're also hired by the player, it's not like a player is going to be desperate to sign a contract for a certain club but is being prevented from doing so by their agent and effectively have little to no free will. Agents are hired by the players to get the best deal for them and make them more money.

slowpoke · Jul 18, 2023

Sick Boy said:
How could the club stand in the way of him playing for the club he'd always supported?

Richardson/McGinnity demanded he left and that’s from the horses mouth.

David O'Day · Jul 18, 2023

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Yeah and watch this thread if he's not in the squad tonight.

he's injured though ain't he?

PUSB-We_are_going_up · Jul 18, 2023

Ccfcisparks said:
We've replaced Gyokeres with Simms. Are you suggesting we wouldn't do the same for Hamer?

Can we replace everyone with simms

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Jul 18, 2023

David O'Day said:
he's injured though ain't he?

Been training in Portugal okay.

Badge72 · Jul 18, 2023

Twitter via at least two apparently ITK’s saying he’s not being offered what he thinks he deserves. And that is in the area of £20k pw.

David O'Day · Jul 18, 2023

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Been training in Portugal okay.

he's not been full training has he

Martin180 · Jul 18, 2023

David O'Day said:
he's not been full training has he

He's been doing a lot of gym work

higgs · Jul 18, 2023

Club probably wants to cash in

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Sick Boy · Jul 18, 2023

Badge72 said:
Twitter via at least two apparently ITK’s saying he’s not being offered what he thinks he deserves. And that is in the area of £20k pw.

It's just repeating what was said on here and who knows if that was true.

junglej13 · Jul 18, 2023

The ever reliable Teamtalk saying we have rebuffed Burnley's offer of McNally and Thomas for Hamer...

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