Has the penny dropped yet? (5 Viewers)

Cheers for that.

everyone dessicated with higgs are scum

The penny's flew back in a spin now.

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"Take me away, 'cause I just don't want to stay
And the lies you make me say are getting deeper every day
These are crazy days but they make me shine
Time keeps rolling by"

Yep!

Those are the lyrics to All Around the World, you chancer.

lordsummerisle said:

Cheers for that.

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Yep truth hurts

Nicky Lol


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covcity4life said:

everyone dessicated with higgs are scum

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Even coconut?

Bit harsh.

letsallsingtogether said:

Yep truth hurts

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I always thought that the Trust guys were alright myself.

The 7 year anniversary of the SISU tenure is Sunday 14th Dec, wow there were some good times Chelsea quarter final, seeing Leicester relegate but on the whole just awful and this is a long term project, WW2 was 2 years shorter .

Get Godwin on the phone!

what penny exactly and where has it dropped to ? was it your penny, mine or somebody elses? If it was mine will I get it back? Will you get yours back? In fact as you are so in the know where did you get your penny from? If you are going to spend a the penny make sure you are not pissing in the wind.......

as for the rest, a penny doesn't buy you much understanding or knowledge does it :facepalm:

oldbloke said:

Ann and PKWH have successfully abandoned ccfc so people can play the blame game as long as they like but all ccc and higgs are doing is grinning like cheshire cats at having rid themselves of dealing with sisu.

The new stadium plan has proved a massive success. It was only ever a PR ploy but it just goes to show how with a bit of spin you don't need to do boring things like buy land and put in a planning application and well over a year later some people will still believe it.

sisu have put a financial ring fence round CCFC and are not going to incur a penny more on ccfc . Whether joy is struggling herself isn't clear but her distressing of acl very nearly worked yet even with wasps getting an absolute steal sisu couldn't raise the funds for a serious rival bid. Apparently the council house is still ringing with laughter at the pathetic document submitted by sisu.

For anyone with ears, Nicky on Monday was very clear that wasps own acl so that's that and they will not buy ccfc. Won't stop some on hear claiming they will but some people are already fools and don't need to be fooled by anyone else.

Only thing to bring a smile to the face this week was hearing the gossip after the Trust meeting. Old Bouncer Brown, Rodge the Dodge and Jan the Man aka the Inner Sanctum are distrort they haven't been invited to the ccfc Board meeting. What has all that fence sitting and arse licking been for? No wonder the poor saps are so besotted with wasps

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I really don't follow what you are banging on about here?

Paxman II said:

I really don't follow what you are banging on about here?

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My thoughts exactly.

Has Paul been reincarnated?

oldbloke said:

Ann and PKWH have successfully abandoned ccfc so people can play the blame game as long as they like but all ccc and higgs are doing is grinning like cheshire cats at having rid themselves of dealing with sisu.

The new stadium plan has proved a massive success. It was only ever a PR ploy but it just goes to show how with a bit of spin you don't need to do boring things like buy land and put in a planning application and well over a year later some people will still believe it.

sisu have put a financial ring fence round CCFC and are not going to incur a penny more on ccfc . Whether joy is struggling herself isn't clear but her distressing of acl very nearly worked yet even with wasps getting an absolute steal sisu couldn't raise the funds for a serious rival bid. Apparently the council house is still ringing with laughter at the pathetic document submitted by sisu.

For anyone with ears, Nicky on Monday was very clear that wasps own acl so that's that and they will not buy ccfc. Won't stop some on hear claiming they will but some people are already fools and don't need to be fooled by anyone else.

Only thing to bring a smile to the face this week was hearing the gossip after the Trust meeting. Old Bouncer Brown, Rodge the Dodge and Jan the Man aka the Inner Sanctum are distrort they haven't been invited to the ccfc Board meeting. What has all that fence sitting and arse licking been for? No wonder the poor saps are so besotted with wasps

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You're back:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands: Oh goody I have missed you

Senior Vick from Alicante said:

Has Paul been reincarnated?

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Mr M?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:

Mr M?

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Don't think its him. His posting history has been very brief and also very contradictory.

Grendel said:

Don't think its him. His posting history has been very brief and also very contradictory.

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All depends which one of him is in control at any given time and or if he's taken his medication or not.

one word but I have to enter 10 characters...... 'Huh'?

I struggled with what OP was banging on about, but tried to stick with it until I came across the spelling 'distrort' - at this point any credibility was seriously undermined. I can only forgive lousy spelling if there is some serious humour or reasoned indignity in the post (that's why I allow Otis so much rope )

Paxman II said:

I really don't follow what you are banging on about here?

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Nor did I but didn't want to say anything

oldbloke said:

Ann and PKWH have successfully abandoned ccfc so people can play the blame game as long as they like but all ccc and higgs are doing is grinning like cheshire cats at having rid themselves of dealing with sisu.

The new stadium plan has proved a massive success. It was only ever a PR ploy but it just goes to show how with a bit of spin you don't need to do boring things like buy land and put in a planning application and well over a year later some people will still believe it.

sisu have put a financial ring fence round CCFC and are not going to incur a penny more on ccfc . Whether joy is struggling herself isn't clear but her distressing of acl very nearly worked yet even with wasps getting an absolute steal sisu couldn't raise the funds for a serious rival bid. Apparently the council house is still ringing with laughter at the pathetic document submitted by sisu.

For anyone with ears, Nicky on Monday was very clear that wasps own acl so that's that and they will not buy ccfc. Won't stop some on hear claiming they will but some people are already fools and don't need to be fooled by anyone else.

Only thing to bring a smile to the face this week was hearing the gossip after the Trust meeting. Old Bouncer Brown, Rodge the Dodge and Jan the Man aka the Inner Sanctum are distrort they haven't been invited to the ccfc Board meeting. What has all that fence sitting and arse licking been for? No wonder the poor saps are so besotted with wasps

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Oldbloke? More like Victor Meldew.

You could have saved yourself a lot of time by just putting that no side has CCFC as top priority. Maybe not even as any kind of priority. And just about all of us do know this.

The first people to blame are the council in all this, they are in it so deep they're drowning. Only the council as freeholder of the Ricoh could have increased the length of the lease, not ACL or the Higgs. Wasps are unlikely to have made contact with ACL about the sale of their business and as far as I know contacted the council first as shareholders and freeholders. Now whilst the Higgs were shareholders if you're Wasps why would you need to contact them in the early stages? Much easier to get the council on board making promises to regenerate the surrounding area and secure their shares, a longer lease etc. Then once Wasps have all but bought the council shares (can't do the deal without first telling the Higgs) one of the two parties, and I suspect (and it is only my guess/opinion*) it was the council approach the Higgs. They say that they're thinking of selling to Wasps who by the way are saying all the right things regarding Ricoh devlopment.

At that point we're still either in Northampton or have returned temporarily still spouting the new stadium plan and that we don't want the share (Joy said she woulldn't interfere with the deal even after the sale was announced) and it makes the council/Wasps job much easier as a result. If we needed the Higgs share as we obviously did Sisu shouldn't have been making dismissive statements about it. The Higgs have been looking to sell, we're saying we don't want it and there's now an offer on the table. Wasps who obviously wanted 100%, in an attempt to seal the deal add in sweetners (name a stand and money from the seat sales) and apparently say that the offer is unconditional. That combined with the council wanting to sell to Wasps may have tipped them over the edge. Given the Higgs association with coventry and our club I can't imagine it was an easy decision. Even Grendel who is hardly a fan of PWKH said that he sounded relieved that it was all over when he was interviewed on CWR. He wouldn't even have been one of the ones making the decision would he, as he's not a trustee. Why we never got our act together before it was too late I guess we'll never know.

*Just in case the lawyers for any side are reading this.

James Smith said:

The first people to blame are the council in all this, they are in it so deep they're drowning. Only the council as freeholder of the Ricoh could have increased the length of the lease, not ACL or the Higgs. Wasps are unlikely to have made contact with ACL about the sale of their business and as far as I know contacted the council first as shareholders and freeholders. Now whilst the Higgs were shareholders if you're Wasps why would you need to contact them in the early stages? Much easier to get the council on board making promises to regenerate the surrounding area and secure their shares, a longer lease etc. Then once Wasps have all but bought the council shares (can't do the deal without first telling the Higgs) one of the two parties, and I suspect (and it is only my guess/opinion*) it was the council approach the Higgs. They say that they're thinking of selling to Wasps who by the way are saying all the right things regarding Ricoh devlopment.

At that point we're still either in Northampton or have returned temporarily still spouting the new stadium plan and that we don't want the share (Joy said she woulldn't interfere with the deal even after the sale was announced) and it makes the council/Wasps job much easier as a result. If we needed the Higgs share as we obviously did Sisu shouldn't have been making dismissive statements about it. The Higgs have been looking to sell, we're saying we don't want it and there's now an offer on the table. Wasps who obviously wanted 100%, in an attempt to seal the deal add in sweetners (name a stand and money from the seat sales) and apparently say that the offer is unconditional. That combined with the council wanting to sell to Wasps may have tipped them over the edge. Given the Higgs association with coventry and our club I can't imagine it was an easy decision. Even Grendel who is hardly a fan of PWKH said that he sounded relieved that it was all over when he was interviewed on CWR. He wouldn't even have been one of the ones making the decision would he, as he's not a trustee. Why we never got our act together before it was too late I guess we'll never know.

*Just in case the lawyers for any side are reading this.

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All of this is true.

Except who are the first to blame maybe that is. SISU are to blame on how the lack of negotiations ended up with nobody talking. Always saying that they wanted more than was on offer each time that there was a new offer made. Constant talk of a new stadium instead of trying to build bridges. Constant litigation and threats of litigation even when everyone could see that it wasn't going to work. Veiled threats against CCC councilors. The threat of our club never coming home if they never got their own way.

And then we get to your bit about CCC.

And I don't give a fuck about their legal teams reading this. All of the shit that has gone on is well documented.

James Smith said:

The first people to blame are the council in all this, they are in it so deep they're drowning. Only the council as freeholder of the Ricoh could have increased the length of the lease, not ACL or the Higgs. Wasps are unlikely to have made contact with ACL about the sale of their business and as far as I know contacted the council first as shareholders and freeholders. Now whilst the Higgs were shareholders if you're Wasps why would you need to contact them in the early stages? Much easier to get the council on board making promises to regenerate the surrounding area and secure their shares, a longer lease etc. Then once Wasps have all but bought the council shares (can't do the deal without first telling the Higgs) one of the two parties, and I suspect (and it is only my guess/opinion*) it was the council approach the Higgs. They say that they're thinking of selling to Wasps who by the way are saying all the right things regarding Ricoh devlopment.

At that point we're still either in Northampton or have returned temporarily still spouting the new stadium plan and that we don't want the share (Joy said she woulldn't interfere with the deal even after the sale was announced) and it makes the council/Wasps job much easier as a result. If we needed the Higgs share as we obviously did Sisu shouldn't have been making dismissive statements about it. The Higgs have been looking to sell, we're saying we don't want it and there's now an offer on the table. Wasps who obviously wanted 100%, in an attempt to seal the deal add in sweetners (name a stand and money from the seat sales) and apparently say that the offer is unconditional. That combined with the council wanting to sell to Wasps may have tipped them over the edge. Given the Higgs association with coventry and our club I can't imagine it was an easy decision. Even Grendel who is hardly a fan of PWKH said that he sounded relieved that it was all over when he was interviewed on CWR. He wouldn't even have been one of the ones making the decision would he, as he's not a trustee. Why we never got our act together before it was too late I guess we'll never know.

*Just in case the lawyers for any side are reading this.

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You appear to suggest that the catalyst for all this was Wasps offering to buy a longer lease, am I reading that correctly?

Rusty Trombone said:

You appear to suggest that the catalyst for all this was Wasps offering to buy a longer lease, am I reading that correctly?

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Or that CCC started it all off. That is why he see's that CCC are the first to blame.

Rusty Trombone said:

You appear to suggest that the catalyst for all this was Wasps offering to buy a longer lease, am I reading that correctly?

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As I don't know who offered or demanded the extended lease I can't really say that. However the only people who could extend the lease were the council, not ACL, Wasps, the Higgs, Santa, the Tooth Fairy etc.



























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ajsccfc said:

Those are the lyrics to All Around the World, you chancer.

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Oh well, oopsy

James Smith said:

As I don't know who offered or demanded the extended lease I can't really say that. However the only people who could extend the lease were the council, not ACL, Wasps, the Higgs, Santa, the Tooth Fairy etc.



























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But wasn't the road map plan thought up by SISU made up with a 125 year lease? And what is the difference between a 125 year lease and a 250 year lease? Both too long to make a difference to our football club and the stadium has a lifespan of about 100 years.

Astute said:

All of this is true.

Except who are the first to blame maybe that is. SISU are to blame on how the lack of negotiations ended up with nobody talking. Always saying that they wanted more than was on offer each time that there was a new offer made. Constant talk of a new stadium instead of trying to build bridges. Constant litigation and threats of litigation even when everyone could see that it wasn't going to work. Veiled threats against CCC councilors. The threat of our club never coming home if they never got their own way.

And then we get to your bit about CCC.

And I don't give a fuck about their legal teams reading this. All of the shit that has gone on is well documented.

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I agree that getting the HIggs share at the formula price should have been job number 1 when Sisu came in, and have said so many times before. I have also said that we were liable to be left homeless in the event that ACL got a new tenant in. But as to the mechanics of the sale to Wasps only the council could have extended the lease and have been hypocritical saying moving sports teams is wrong whillst encouraging that very thing. Once we had 50% of ACL then we should have started talking about extending the lease with the council.

Astute said:

But wasn't the road map plan thought up by SISU made up with a 125 year lease? And what is the difference between a 125 year lease and a 250 year lease? Both too long to make a difference to our football club and the stadium has a lifespan of about 100 years.

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125 years?

James Smith said:

I agree that getting the HIggs share at the formula price should have been job number 1 when Sisu came in, and have said so many times before. I have also said that we were liable to be left homeless in the event that ACL got a new tenant in. But as to the mechanics of the sale to Wasps only the council could have extended the lease and have been hypocritical saying moving sports teams is wrong whillst encouraging that very thing. Once we had 50% of ACL then we should have started talking about extending the lease with the council.

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I fully agree with all of this. The vast majority if not all of us would agree with this. My point was when you said the first ones to blame should be CCC.

James Smith said:

The first people to blame are the council in all this, they are in it so deep they're drowning. Only the council as freeholder of the Ricoh could have increased the length of the lease, not ACL or the Higgs. Wasps are unlikely to have made contact with ACL about the sale of their business and as far as I know contacted the council first as shareholders and freeholders. Now whilst the Higgs were shareholders if you're Wasps why would you need to contact them in the early stages? Much easier to get the council on board making promises to regenerate the surrounding area and secure their shares, a longer lease etc. Then once Wasps have all but bought the council shares (can't do the deal without first telling the Higgs) one of the two parties, and I suspect (and it is only my guess/opinion*) it was the council approach the Higgs. They say that they're thinking of selling to Wasps who by the way are saying all the right things regarding Ricoh devlopment.

At that point we're still either in Northampton or have returned temporarily still spouting the new stadium plan and that we don't want the share (Joy said she woulldn't interfere with the deal even after the sale was announced) and it makes the council/Wasps job much easier as a result. If we needed the Higgs share as we obviously did Sisu shouldn't have been making dismissive statements about it. The Higgs have been looking to sell, we're saying we don't want it and there's now an offer on the table. Wasps who obviously wanted 100%, in an attempt to seal the deal add in sweetners (name a stand and money from the seat sales) and apparently say that the offer is unconditional. That combined with the council wanting to sell to Wasps may have tipped them over the edge. Given the Higgs association with coventry and our club I can't imagine it was an easy decision. Even Grendel who is hardly a fan of PWKH said that he sounded relieved that it was all over when he was interviewed on CWR. He wouldn't even have been one of the ones making the decision would he, as he's not a trustee. Why we never got our act together before it was too late I guess we'll never know.

*Just in case the lawyers for any side are reading this.

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Fuck me.

I guess it's the council's fault we don't have plans for a new stadium? Or we've filled a fairly expensive team with shit players?

FFS. We really do get the club we deserve.

Any plans to hold the people legally responsible for the wellbeing of the business to account? Or that a little too Occam's Razor for you?

I remember when this forum was about football not politics. We (the club) fucked up. Several on here (Grendel, Torch, Godiva, Nick, LS, etc.) thought they were fucking geniuses because of their bias against the council fucking them over must be good, because, uhhh I dunno.

Remember the laughs of derision when some suggested that if we leave the Ricoh someone else came in? "But we've broken the lease" they shouted! Hurrah, we've done over that nasty council! Remember how the Ricoh as a white elephant that needed us? Remember? Remember how the Council "had to sell the Ricoh for the good of the taxpayers"?

No, of course you fucking don't. Just keep parroting whatever line you're supposed to, don't dare engage your brain.

People saw this coming a mile off. Wasps were specifically mentioned and discounted by the know it alls on here. YOU ALL FUCKING ASKED FOR THIS YOU RETARDS. And yet here you still are trying to make out that somehow it's still all the council's fault.

This side of the argument has been proven wrong at every single turn. The "Smoking gun": wrong. The new stadium plans coming: wrong. Illegal State Aid: wrong. White Elephant Ricoh: wrong. Breaking the lease being good for the club: wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. And yet still have the gall to come on here day after day acting as if this time they really do know what's going on.

They're idiots. Idiots with a political axe to grind and they always have been. Listen to their rhetoric. not about the club, about the council. That's what they care about, not the club, just making political points. Pathetic and treaturous for supposed CCFC fans.

The club is fucked and it's entirely our own fault. But admitting that would be admitting they've been cheering on those doing the destruction and that ultimately far more to blame than any council, charity or management company are those that still willingly cheer on the destruction of our club because "I don't like Labour" or "I don't trust politicians" or worst of all "I feel really important talking to Tim Fisher". Fucking grow up. We had a chance, we blew it. It's damage control from here on out.