Haskell in Casino (4 Viewers)

[dionsmagnificentknob.com]

I think the reason most do not trust Elliot is that you do not have a Chairman who wears a nylon tracksuit and shoes EVER! I want someone I can trust to always do things right and Elliot is just not that man, regardless of whether his heart is in the right place.

 

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[CCFCDan87]

Is liquidation better than the current situation? Is it not right to ask questions, keep an air of caution?

Air of caution. We should be behind him. Fresh face fresh start.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Yes it would Wingy. £20 mill for the club......£10 mill for the Higgs share......£40 mill for the coucil's share. I might have those figures the wrong way round but at the end of the day that is the sort of figures that you would be looking at.

Tony those figures are blown way out of proportion, what is he spending the £20 mil on the club for? The players? And I'm sure if a deal was struck with Higgs then the council would reduce their asking price of their share substantially.

 

[stupot07]

Air of caution. We should be behind him. Fresh face fresh start.

Once bitten, twice shy. Nothing wrong with being cautious. And actually Hoffman has said it all depends on where the golden share is, and will also be determined in whether they can get their hands on the whole of the Ricoh, so there's plenty to go wrong.

 

[stupot07]

Tony those figures are blown way out of proportion, what is he spending the £20 mil on the club for? The players? And I'm sure if a deal was struck with Higgs then the council would reduce their asking price of their share substantially.

How much of the £60m do you think Sisu will be willing to write off?

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Erm aren't we 60mill in debt anyway? I don't get this well what happens if it goes wrong? Surely anything is better than current situation

We thought that before SISU and look at us now. We really do need to get this right!

 

[Ccfcisparks]

How much of the £60m do you think Sisu will be willing to write off?

Well I thought Stu if it was confirmed that the golden share was in CCFC Limited he could pick it up for next to nothing leaving Sisu the Assets in Holdings? Which is the players isn't it?

 

[stupot07]

Well I thought Stu if it was confirmed that the golden share was in CCFC Limited he could pick it up for next to nothing leaving Sisu the Assets in Holdings? Which is the players isn't it?

Got no idea....but hasn't the part that got the golden share also have £60m debt?

To be honest I don't think we will really know until they report back to court in 5 weeks time.

 

[rupert_bear]

I thought if you bought a business in administration you paid a lot less. Hopefully they would be getting hold of ccfc ltd this time genuinly with no debt and run correctly we shouldn't be in any debt.

 

[rupert_bear]

How much of the £60m do you think Sisu will be willing to write off?

There may be a deal to be done with sisu as an investor, wouldn't be surprised

 

[stupot07]

I thought if you bought a business in administration you paid a lot less. Hopefully they would be getting hold of ccfc ltd this time genuinly with no debt and run correctly we shouldn't be in any debt.

£20m is a lot less than £60m

 

[Grendel]

I thought if you bought a business in administration you paid a lot less. Hopefully they would be getting hold of ccfc ltd this time genuinly with no debt and run correctly we shouldn't be in any debt.

That's not the point. The business will need to acquire some form of stadium ownership and that requires loans and debt. That debt will then be out against the weakest equity, namely the football club.

If all goes well that's not an issue.

However unless the current owners agree to the terms set out next season we will start on between negative 15 to 30 points.

 

[Flying Fokker]

And saddle us with debt?

I see what you've done with that.

 

[CCFCDan87]

We thought that before SISU and look at us now. We really do need to get this right!

SISU came at the last hour, PH4 has been twice, met fans and says nothing done till its done. For me he's doing it the right way. Showing more common sense then SISU did when coming to the rescue. Least we know who he is unlike SISU n Joy Seppla

 

[TurkeyTrot]

Do you not think we as fans must shoulder some of the blame? If all this comes off will there be a number of fans wanting millions spent on new players to effectively buy our way to the prem and saddle ourselves with debt we can't afford. I hope who or whatever form CCFC comes out the other side of this is allowed to build slowly and make the growth sustainable.
I look at Leicester and shudder at the money they have spent to possibly still be in the Championship next season.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

SISU came at the last hour, PH4 has been twice, met fans and says nothing done till its done. For me he's doing it the right way. Showing more common sense then SISU did when coming to the rescue. Least we know who he is unlike SISU n Joy Seppla

Well that's true enough; he seems to understand the concept of Hearts & Minds, whereas SISU have treated us as if we don't possess them.

 

[CCFCDan87]

Well that's true enough; he seems to understand the concept of Hearts & Minds, whereas SISU have treated us as we don't possess them.

That's the thing mate, to this date we are literally none the wiser who they are and who she is. PH4 has interacted more with fans already than she has since day 1. Speaks volumes to me. I would like Waggott to stay on from current regime however

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Do you not think we as fans must shoulder some of the blame? If all this comes off will there be a number of fans wanting millions spent on new players to effectively buy our way to the prem and saddle ourselves with debt we can't afford. I hope who or whatever form CCFC comes out the other side of this is allowed to build slowly and make the growth sustainable.
I look at Leicester and shudder at the money they have spent to possibly still be in the Championship next season.

I really don't think most City fans expect us to spend excessively, we just want honesty and to punch our weight. A big part of that weight is our Academy, which provides quality players on reasonable wages. I'd argue that we signed far too many players last Summer, albeit free transfers, possibly as a consequence of such under-investment in the squad the season before. The present squad is already too bulky and under-performing at this level in terms of outlay on wages. In an ideal world we would cut a lot of deadwood this close season (which administration might actually help us to do rather than be wasteful) and if taken over, then target 3 or 4 quality signings.

 

[Ashdown1]

Do you not think we as fans must shoulder some of the blame? If all this comes off will there be a number of fans wanting millions spent on new players to effectively buy our way to the prem and saddle ourselves with debt we can't afford. I hope who or whatever form CCFC comes out the other side of this is allowed to build slowly and make the growth sustainable.
I look at Leicester and shudder at the money they have spent to possibly still be in the Championship next season.

I and thousands of others I am sure just want stability, they just want owners that are not trying to pull a major profit and walk away with a fistful of dollars. I want CCFC to compete according to our level of revenue generation, for the fans pound to count for something, I want our local authorities, Charities and foreign investors to be pulling on the same rope without deep suspicion and division.

 

[Steve.B50]

Anything has to be better than where we are now?

 

[thegameaintstraight]

I wonder what not having negative 30 points is worth to a new ownwer. Might this be part of SISU's plan to extract maximum £ ?
Just a thought.

 

[LarryGrayson]

Anything has to be better than where we are now?

we said that when robinson left

 

[Ashdown1]

I wouldn't put anything past these vile cretins, if they can decrease their losses in any way they will and that wouldn't matter a jot to them how they left the club. These bastards haven't finished with their revenge yet !!

 

[Steve.B50]

But the debt is what they say it is, not whats fact.
I sat at a forum last year at a club with Fisher saying we are debt free.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Do you not think we as fans must shoulder some of the blame? If all this comes off will there be a number of fans wanting millions spent on new players to effectively buy our way to the prem and saddle ourselves with debt we can't afford. I hope who or whatever form CCFC comes out the other side of this is allowed to build slowly and make the growth sustainable.
I look at Leicester and shudder at the money they have spent to possibly still be in the Championship next season.

I don't want millions spent, slow and steady is the way to move forward.

I would just be happy with a board that didn't sell our best players the second a bid comes in for them.

The club would be in a much different situation now had Sisu not sold a lot of the young players over the last 5 years (most of whom cost the club next to nothing).

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I don't want millions spent, slow and steady is the way to move forward.

I would just be happy with a board that didn't sell our best players the second a bid comes in for them.

The club would be in a much different situation now had Sisu not sold a lot of the young players over the last 5 years (most of whom cost the club next to nothing).

I don't even mind that up to a point-to quote a recent manager of ours, you have to "turn it over and freshen it up" a bit, which is what we didn't do in the relegation season. Signing 3 or 4 top L1-L2 players a season and sell one when he's "fattened" is the way to do it. But equally, there are players that we've been proactive to sell; possibly Juke, but certainly Turner, who had signed a new deal and was very happy at this club.

 

[cloughie]

Yes it would Wingy. £20 mill for the club......£10 mill for the Higgs share......£40 mill for the coucil's share. I might have those figures the wrong way round but at the end of the day that is the sort of figures that you would be looking at.

Now that has got me laughing

 

[letsallsingtogether]

How much of the £60m do you think Sisu will be willing to write off?

As they are in admin then they have to take the best deal that is given them by the receiver so it could be 10p or even 1p for every pound then that is all they get. the Higgs trust half I read somewhere is £4Mil to keep the club going they are looking at developing the surrounding area that would then bring in more money. hotels more conferences etc

 

[LarryGrayson]

As they are in admin then they have to take the best deal that is given them by the receiver so it could be 10p or even 1p for every pound then that is all they get.

the best deal might be from themselves

 

[letsallsingtogether]

AS for Joe and the Hoff I believe that they have looked into this more thoroughly this time as last time it was done in days and they all did what they believed was best,
But as we have found out SISU lied from the off

 

[Paxman II]

Wouldn't it be fun for the administrator to go to the largest debtor (SISU) and ask for 10p in the pound on this mysterious £60m that he talks about and yet we all have been led to understand is not in CCFC Ltd? Doubt they will accept that eh? Rather the PH4 group start talking with SISU and get something sorted now so the administrator can make a clear recommendation. There's a deal there somewhere for PH4 they just have to find it.
The administrator does not need 6 weeks to unravel the basics in front of him. he has to remain coherent, informative as the process moves along. he can't simply shut down.

 

[georgehudson]

end game, it would appear is JS vs PH4 or whoever,
i think i know what true Sky Blues would go for,
Mrs Justice Proudman might have a real effort to FIND THE TRUTH,

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

end game, it would appear is JS vs PH4 or whoever,
i think i know what true Sky Blues would go for,
Mrs Justice Proudman might have a real effort to FIND THE TRUTH,

I hope it isn't literally a physical fight, as I have a horrible feeling that Joy could batter him...

 

[quinn1971]

Is it right that haskell met members of the trust today ? does anybody know what was discussed or is it hush hush at the minute.?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Can't see him telling them any more then we already know but I am sure it will all come out in due course it early yet

Is it right that haskell met members of the trust today ? does anybody know what was discussed or is it hush hush at the minute.?