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robbiekeane · Sep 4, 2016

I dont care....i haven't had any confidence in the team since December 2015.

His tactics are questionable at best and his substitutions are ridiculous sometimes.

His signings have been his main cheerleading argument, and even they are only about 50% successful.

Yes his general philosophy seems to be in the right ballpark, but it's not enough as a manager.

He has to go unfortunately

Bruce the Boot · Sep 4, 2016

robbiekeane said:
I dont care....i haven't had any confidence in the team since December 2015.

His tactics are questionable at best and his substitutions are ridiculous sometimes.

His signings have been his main cheerleading argument, and even they are only about 50% successful.

Yes his general philosophy seems to be in the right ballpark, but it's not enough as a manager.

He has to go unfortunately

And replace him with what ? The club has no vision , until that is sorted it does nt matter who is the manager .

Nathccfc · Sep 4, 2016

I think he isn't the main issue, the main issue is a lot bigger than that and the issue is the owners. TM is not being backed, not even the best the managers in the world would be able to make us successful, we should have a strong squad built around quality players of varying ages, with the most experienced playing the most, backed up by very good youngsters. We are using the decent youngsters from the start, if anything it will halt their development. It's about time sisu decided whether to stick or twist. Invest or give up, like many said on the phone in this evening. We do not know what their plan is. We have no clue, in fact; do themselves know what their plan is?

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Nick · Sep 4, 2016

The best manager in the world would be able to work within a budget in League 1, other league 1 managers are doing it and I know we aren't the richest but I very much doubt we will have the lowest budget in the league. We were one of how many to actually pay for players over the summer.

It's OK shouting "he needs to be backed" over and over but how often are some of the issues tactical where other managers make changes when we are the stronger side and it completely changes the game? How many other managers in League 1 are in the same position where they don't have millions or even hundreds of thousands to go out and spend in every window?

fernandopartridge · Sep 4, 2016

robbiekeane said:
I dont care....i haven't had any confidence in the team since December 2015.

His tactics are questionable at best and his substitutions are ridiculous sometimes.

His signings have been his main cheerleading argument, and even they are only about 50% successful.

Yes his general philosophy seems to be in the right ballpark, but it's not enough as a manager.

He has to go unfortunately

I don't care what you think

Nick · Sep 4, 2016

vow · Sep 4, 2016

robbiekeane said:
I dont care....i haven't had any confidence in the team since December 2015.

His tactics are questionable at best and his substitutions are ridiculous sometimes.

His signings have been his main cheerleading argument, and even they are only about 50% successful.

Yes his general philosophy seems to be in the right ballpark, but it's not enough as a manager.

He has to go unfortunately

Bollocks, he has to stay and see it through, we're 7 points off a play-off spot, ffs 2-3 wins on the bounce, no fooker with be flouncing around!
Get behind the team, don't slag individual players at a match, encourage 'em.
We will improve, I have no doubt about it.

Otis · Sep 4, 2016

Too soon yet to consider sacking him.

Let's see where we are after 10-12 games at least.

Mind, if we were say to lose 4 or 5 games in a row without hardly scoring a goal I think our owners would start getting twitchy.

TM hasn't had much luck with injuries, but no-one forced him to take Sordell and Reid, or give new contracts to Ricketts and Tudgay.

I think it is all a bit knee-jerk at the moment however and it seems to me that at the moment the main problem is a lack of cutting edge and our not taking our chances when on top.

Armstrong made such a difference last season to us. We need either Agyei, Wright or Sordell to have a similar impact, albeit to a lesser extent, as the goals can be shared around and hopefully we don't need to be reliant on the one man.

Wrong for us to be expecting a 20 goal season tally from any of the above, but if they can all get 10-12 each that would more than fill the gap left by the young Geordie lad and Murphy.

robbiekeane · Sep 4, 2016

Nathccfc said:
I think he isn't the main issue, the main issue is a lot bigger than that and the issue is the owners. TM is not being backed, not even the best the managers in the world would be able to make us successful, we should have a strong squad built around quality players of varying ages, with the most experienced playing the most, backed up by very good youngsters. We are using the decent youngsters from the start, if anything it will halt their development. It's about time sisu decided whether to stick or twist. Invest or give up, like many said on the phone in this evening. We do not know what their plan is. We have no clue, in fact; do themselves know what their plan is?

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I'm sorry but it's simply not true that the shortcomings on the pitch over the last 8 months have been the fault of the owners. We were widely reported to have a top 6 budget last year and that reportedly hasn't changed much from then. So we're hugely underperforming (yes it's relatively early in this season but look at last 20 games form).

Yes it would be amazing if we had nice billionaire owners who would blow (yes blow not "invest" as people like to say...to invest would imply some kind of realistic probability of a return which is not going to happen) huge amounts of money on our own real life game of football manager, but that is not the case and most likely never will be.

The most pragmatic desire as a fan is for the club to have a competitive budget in the league we're in, live within our means so as to help ensure a sustainable future for the club, and to employ a very good manager who can make the most of our budget and reflect it in our league position.

So far we have two out of the three. Despite having refreshingly honorable intentions with a definite view to future, Mowbray is simply not a good enough manager to get us promoted on our (competitive) budget. The answer to that is not to change the budget and gamble with millions of pounds, but to find someone who can do better with what we have. Other clubs do it.

robbiekeane · Sep 4, 2016

Otis said:
Too soon yet to consider sacking him.

Let's see where we are after 10-12 games at least.

Mind, if we were say to lose 4 or 5 games in a row without hardly scoring a goal I think our owners would start getting twitchy.

TM hasn't had much luck with injuries, but no-one forced him to take Sordell and Reid, or give new contracts to Ricketts and Tudgay.

I think it is all a bit knee-jerk at the moment however and it seems to me that at the moment the main problem is a lack of cutting edge and our not taking our chances when on top.

Armstrong made such a difference last season to us. We need either Agyei, Wright or Sordell to have a similar impact, albeit to a lesser extent, as the goals can be shared around and hopefully we don't need to be reliant on the one man.

Wrong for us to be expecting a 20 goal season tally from any of the above, but if they can all get 10-12 each that would more than fill the gap left by the young Geordie lad and Murphy.

While I appreciate where you're coming from when you look at games played this season, I disagree that it's too late when you look at the last 30 games under him, with a budget that hasn't significantly changed. I don't have the stats but I'm sure they would be pretty alarming.

I like the guy, but he's just not good enough

Otis · Sep 4, 2016

robbiekeane said:
While I appreciate where you're coming from when you look at games played this season, I disagree that it's too late when you look at the last 30 games under him, with a budget that hasn't significantly changed. I don't have the stats but I'm sure they would be pretty alarming.

I like the guy, but he's just not good enough

I like him too. I know it looks grim, but just a couple of wins and it will all look much healthier.

I still have faith in the bloke, but it is being severely tested at the moment. I really hope he can turn it around and it's another tough game away at Millwall next week.

Deleted member 2477 · Sep 4, 2016

robbiekeane said:
I dont care....i haven't had any confidence in the team since December 2015.

His tactics are questionable at best and his substitutions are ridiculous sometimes.

His signings have been his main cheerleading argument, and even they are only about 50% successful.

Yes his general philosophy seems to be in the right ballpark, but it's not enough as a manager.

He has to go unfortunately

Im glad your not in charge of our nucleur weapons. Talk about over reaction

Bristol sky blue · Sep 4, 2016

Let's give him the dozen games he asked for before looking at the league table seriously.

If, by then, even with Jodi Jones fully (relatively?) fit, we are not creating enough chances in games, then reluctantly I think we might need to consider a change of manager.

I like TM a lot, but I have a feeling that he is going to stick with 5-3-2 when we are better suited to 4-4-2.

The senior pros need to give a lot more - one or two seem to be peripheral figures in games.

I think he will turn it around though, have faith (even after we get thrashed at Millwall!)

zuni · Sep 4, 2016

my concern is what is he doing off the field, ref otis, point unlucky with injuries...last season was completely fubar due to amount of injuries and already were starting to see players limping off / not being able to play...bad luck or something the management team are doing, training to hard?

coop · Sep 4, 2016

The player's speak highly of TM there's no real balance to the team we are conceding, so why are we still playing 3 at the back,we are not scoring so why play two holding midfielders.I think we would be more suited at 442.The two goals from yesterday were awful young lad all on his own at the back then we lose the ball in midfield and are still all over the place.I do think TM is struggling but behind the scenes seem better ie training ground stats on various players,Presley got rid of all of this and when he was he it sounded like a non league side TM has said we need to rebuild again so give the bloke a chance to do it.

stevefloyd · Sep 4, 2016

The players are highly unlikely to come out and say TM is a twat

ollyservetta · Sep 4, 2016

worrying times indeed , the only thing that saved us the last two seasons have been a good start and getting the points early . sack TM , to be honest has to be a no , the club is in a right state ,we all know that , and the last thing we need is to be paying of anouther manager . if he walks , so be it , then go with the team ,get a young eager to prove manager in and build as tho we are already down . In fairness tho ,we are a few injurys coming back away from a half decent full squad , a few practice sessions ,yes, a few wks to late , but with the possession we are having in games we cant be to far of a win and a good run. my one fear is come jan , if we don't create a better atmosphere in the dressing room the loans will go and we will struggle to replace . But for now ,lets hope TM changes his formation , rethinks his substitutions ,and gets them fit . I for one crave stability , we are not going to get it with the club , but we can with the team . we need the same train of thought that the true dons had in their hey days , they did the near impossible , so can we ,

standupforcity · Sep 4, 2016

Think Barnsley!!!!!

PVA · Sep 4, 2016

robbiekeane said:
I dont care....i haven't had any confidence in the team since December 2015.

So you didn't have any confidence in the team when we were top 2 or 3 half way through the season? You knew we were about to implode and go on a terrible run did you? Riiiight.

Bruce the Boot · Sep 4, 2016

[QUOTE=" We were widely reported top six budget .[/QUOTE]

Everybody keeps saying we have a high budget , where are the figures to confirm this ? When was the budget released to TM ? No team in history has a pre season and does nt prepare for the first game , what the hell has gone on ? Answers required from the owners , then when we understand how our club being ran we might back off a bit as fans ..

chinamans view · Sep 4, 2016

We must give him TM the chance to mould this team of players together, we may still have a few bad results but we must give him at least until Christmas to see what he can do with this group of players, if he cant improve them by then we and TM will know what will happen

AFCCOVENTRY · Sep 4, 2016

I don't think he will be sacked as that will cost money the club doesn't have.

He's out of contract at the end of this season. So if it doesn't get better he won't be offered a contract.

dongonzalos · Sep 4, 2016

Nick can you merge the let's sack Mowbray threads?
Getting bored of defending him in 3 different areas?

dongonzalos · Sep 4, 2016

Gordon Strachan (1996–2001)
Roland Nilsson (2001–2002)
Steve Ogrizovic & Trevor Peake (caretakers) (2002)
Gary McAllister (2002–2003)
Eric Black (2003–2004)
Steve Ogrizovic (caretaker) (2004)
Peter Reid (2004–2005)
Adrian Heath (caretaker) (2005)
Micky Adams (2005–2007)
Adrian Heath (caretaker) (2007)
Iain Dowie (2007–2008)
Frankie Bunn & John Harbin(caretakers) (2008)
Chris Coleman (2008–2010)
Aidy Boothroyd (2010–2011)
Steve Harrison & Andy Thorn(caretakers) (2011)
Andy Thorn (2011–2012)
Richard Shaw & Lee Carsley(caretakers) (2012)
Mark Robins (2012–2013)
Lee Carsley (caretaker) (2013)
Steven Pressley (2013–2015)
Neil MacFarlane & Dave Hockaday (caretakers) (2015)
Tony Mowbray (2015–)

Sky Blue Harry H · Sep 4, 2016

Otis said:
I like him too. I know it looks grim, but just a couple of wins and it will all look much healthier.

I still have faith in the bloke, but it is being severely tested at the moment. I really hope he can turn it around and it's another tough game away at Millwall next week.

I agree with this. My mums 80th -nome to Oldham- so can't go to that, but if we haven't won by the end of that match (8th league game) I wil be 'uncomfortable' to say the least. Think TM will have run out of excuses by then, and I will be worried about impact of confidence on a young team.

dongonzalos · Sep 4, 2016

No manager since 2001 has had more than 2 years in charge of CCFC
Have we employed the wrong manager 20 odd times in 15 years?

Or should we try something different and give a manger 4-5 years to really stamp their mark?

Bruce the Boot · Sep 4, 2016

dongonzalos said:
No manager since 2001 has had more than 2 years in charge of CCFC
Have we employed the wrong manager 20 times in 25 years?

Or should we try something different and give a manger 4-5 years to really stamp their mark?

I agree and your post with managers listed opens your eyes , Im all for giving somebody time to build a team , but at present nobody doing this under Sisu ownership as there are to many in and out goings of players . And the club has no foundations. I dont think TM should go , I think the owners should .

dongonzalos · Sep 4, 2016

Bruce the Boot said:
I agree and your post with managers listed opens your eyes , Im all for giving somebody time to build a team , but at present nobody doing this under Sisu ownership as there are to many in and out goings of players . And the club has no foundations. I dont think TM should go , I think the owners should .

I think it is harder at the moment
I am guessing if the finances were there he would still have fleck in this squad and a couple of his first choice free transfers would now be signed that we would like.

It just think

Jones
Stokes
RCC
Haynes
Turnbull
Stephenson
DKE
Vlad
Reid
Willis
Harries

These are our own players and each year TM will add more.

Because of the finances it takes longer than we wish

But if he gets his playing style at every level and is allowed 4-5 years

It will pay off

Grendel · Sep 4, 2016

dongonzalos said:
No manager since 2001 has had more than 2 years in charge of CCFC
Have we employed the wrong manager 20 odd times in 15 years?

Or should we try something different and give a manger 4-5 years to really stamp their mark?

How many clubs in England have had a manager for 4-5 years? I would guess very few.

It's a non starter as an argument as crowds are pivitol and crowds will slump if the form continues as it is. The club can't afford to play some long term game when the impact of failure wild be catastrophic.

dongonzalos · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
How many clubs in England have had a manager for 4-5 years? I would guess very few.

It's a non starter as an argument as crowds are pivitol and crowds will slump if the form continues as it is. The club can't afford to play some long term game when the impact of failure wild be catastrophic.

Well there's one good thing that's come out of that statement.
You don't believe we would ever do a Northampton again .

dongonzalos · Sep 4, 2016

Grendel said:
How many clubs in England have had a manager for 4-5 years? I would guess very few.

It's a non starter as an argument as crowds are pivitol and crowds will slump if the form continues as it is. The club can't afford to play some long term game when the impact of failure wild be catastrophic.

I am sure there are some very good success stories out there.
However just because a lot of other clubs maybe sacking managers every year and also failing as result doesnt mean we should follow

Eddie Howe springs to mind

Arsène Wenger 19 years, 338 days
Paul Tisdale 10 years, 69 days
Karl Robinson 6 years 116 days
Paul Hurst 5 years, 164 days
Jim Bentley 5 years, 113 days
Steve Davis 4 years, 298 days
Gareth Ainsworth 3 years, 345 days
Neal Ardley 3 years, 329 days
Eddie Howe 3 years, 326 days
Sean Dyche 3 years, 309 days
Mick McCarthy 3 years, 307 days
Keith Hill 3 years, 225 days
Simon Grayson 3 years, 198 days
Phil Brown 3 years, 162 days
Mark Hughes 3 years, 96 days
Aitor Karanka 2 years, 295 days
David Flitcroft 2 years, 269 days

Some of them have been relegated and didn't get sacked as well and are still going

Hobo · Sep 4, 2016

Nick said:
The best manager in the world would be able to work within a budget in League 1, other league 1 managers are doing it and I know we aren't the richest but I very much doubt we will have the lowest budget in the league. We were one of how many to actually pay for players over the summer.

It's OK shouting "he needs to be backed" over and over but how often are some of the issues tactical where other managers make changes when we are the stronger side and it completely changes the game? How many other managers in League 1 are in the same position where they don't have millions or even hundreds of thousands to go out and spend in every window?

But why should success be instant?

Skyblueweeman · Sep 4, 2016

Otis said:
I like him too. I know it looks grim, but just a couple of wins and it will all look much healthier.

I still have faith in the bloke, but it is being severely tested at the moment. I really hope he can turn it around and it's another tough game away at Millwall next week.

But just a couple of wins Otis? We said that for about 6 months of last season. We're now nearly a month into this season and we're saying the same thing.

At what point do we need to stop 'hoping for a couple of wins' and get someone else in who could get a better response from a squad of players who undoubtedly on paper, are a good squad of players?

I guess it boils down to tolerance levels. For me, it's not just this season but the last 6 months of last season as well. The results haven't been good enough and the manager is culpable.

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NortonSkyBlue · Sep 4, 2016

Mowbray is dour and does not inspire confidence that things WILL change, that much is clear, his buys have been suspect in the main and his successes have been limited to the first half of last season. He is a decent man and I don't like to see decent people lose their job. That said he is running out of time and I can see a mutual parting coming soon to a rented stadium near you.

robbiekeane · Sep 4, 2016

PVA said:
So you didn't have any confidence in the team when we were top 2 or 3 half way through the season? You knew we were about to implode and go on a terrible run did you? Riiiight.

Our abysmal form started in January as I remember it, at which point Mowbray made 4 or 5 very very questionable signings indeed, and at that point I didn't have confidence that they would maintain our league position, correct. Am I psychic? No. And I didn't say I was. I said I didn't have confidence in the team. Did you at that point, when we were a training camp for Joe Cole and a paycheck for Henderson, ramage, hunt, etc? Bunch of donkeys. And our relegation form from January to now shows it was right not to have any confidence

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