One question my friend......could you have dealt with them?
One question my friend......could you have dealt with them?Not at all, one can criticise the council without defending SISU. Their attitude towards SISU, whilst it may have been an understandable attitude from there point of view taking into account SISUs past actions. Their attitude, whether it is justified or not has undoubtedly contributed to the current situation we are in.
Did you, or did you not say we are where we are because of fans and the councils attitude?Not at all, one can criticise the council without defending SISU. Their attitude towards SISU, whilst it may have been an understandable attitude from there point of view taking into account SISUs past actions. Their attitude, whether it is justified or not has undoubtedly contributed to the current situation we are in.
Sisu own the club, but they've never acted in the interests of the club as a sporting entity or a footballing representation of the City of Coventry. I, and I suspect many others hope they never get a sniff of Ricoh ownership and look forward once again to the courts serving them their garnished arse on a plate.
Question is how will this effect the relationship between landlord and tenet?
Sixfields anyone?
One question my friend......could you have dealt with them?
I think it's hopelessly naive to think Sisu unite club and stadium and think everything will be Hunky Dory. They have shown nowt but contempt for this club, supporters and citizens of Coventry in general. What on Earth makes you and a few others think their behaviour would change if they were to achieve this aim?
Did you, or did you not say we are where we are because of fans and the councils attitude?
I think it's hopelessly naive to think Sisu unite club and stadium and think everything will be Hunky Dory. They have shown nowt but contempt for this club, supporters and citizens of Coventry in general. What on Earth makes you and a few others think their behaviour would change if they were to achieve this aim?
I have read the Telegraph report on how much MR FISHER has "SAID" SISU/Otium offered. The man that said...."That ship has sailed"...."We are building our own Stadium"...and the "Piece de resistance"......"WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE RICOH"....BTW I've not seen any confirmation by ACL/Higgs/CCC of this £2.8m offer have you? Or do you believe every piece of Bulls**t that comes from any SISU/Otium source? Also, I think the phrase "Conditional Offer" "Pissed on their chips" don't you?The telegraph reported that our bid was almost 2.8 million so it wasn't much less than Wasps offer.
Yes, I dare say this was the case. But that does not take into account prospective legal/litigation cases they in all likely hood would have had to defend themselves against at costly expense.I have never had any problem with SISU having a similar deal to that which has been given to Wasps and I can't understand why any fan of CCFC would. In fact the deal with Wasps is far better than any deal I would have expected to be offered so I would have been overjoyed if SISU had been given similar.
If they go to court and get told to go away as they haven't got a case then so be it but what if it turns out this time they are right? Something about the way this deal with Wasps was done doesn't stack up to me. The constant line from CCC / Higgs / ACL was that things were going fantastically and there was no need to sell, next minute it's sold to Wasps on the cheap. Why would they sell if they were being truthful? They could have kept hold of ACL, with it ticking over at break even as a minimum, and then when SISU finally walk away they could do a deal with the new owners. Of course they could be untruthful in their statements without doing anything illegal but with the refusal from all sides involved to give any details on the sale something doesn't' seem right to me.
I don't want Wasps here, primarily because I think it has a huge impact on our ability to be successful and self sustaining in the future but also because I believe it just isn't right to move a team in this manner. It's a disgrace that ACL has been sold to them and if there is the slightest bit of evidence that something underhand has gone on then I fully support SISU taking this action. Of course their track record indicates there is every chance it's just a leverage tactic of some sort and they have no evidence whatsoever but I guess we'll find that out when this gets to court and if that is the case I absolutely agree that SISU shouldn't be going down this route. Trouble is we don't know if there's any evidence or not. History suggests not but surely even SISU aren't stupid enough to go through all this trouble and expense again if they don't think there's at least a slim chance of a positive outcome.
At the very least we should actually find out the detail of the deal. I don't think anyones going to get away with there's no record of any meetings etc this time round.
You don't know this. None of us do.If SISU got the Ricoh on a similar deal to that which Wasps have it would give them an exit strategy. Compare the value of CCFC now to a CCFC that came with effective ownership of a PL standard stadium. That value would increase even more if they put in a minimal investment and got us promoted back to the PL. At the moment it's hard to see how we can get rid of them, who would want to buy a homeless L1 club?
I've not seen anything from ACL/Higgs/CCC to suggest they didn't offer what they said, if they were lying I'd have thought ACL/Higgs/CCC would have wanted to set the record straight pretty quickly.I have read the Telegraph report on how much MR FISHER has "SAID" SISU/Otium offered. The man that said...."That ship has sailed"...."We are building our own Stadium"...and the "Piece de resistance"......"WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE RICOH"....BTW I've not seen any confirmation by ACL/Higgs/CCC of this £2.8m offer have you? Or do you believe every piece of Bulls**t that comes from any SISU/Otium source? Also, I think the phrase "Conditional Offer" "Pissed on their chips" don't you?
Sixfields anyone?
You don't know this. None of us do.
Was planning on going up to watch the game with the my kids tomorrow but this has just confirmed why I have stayed away, fuck our owners sick of this shit our owners trying to say it makes no difference to the club ! well yes it does it pisses some of the fans off and that is one of the reasons they are staying away. Our owners are really complete and utterly dumb as fuck when it comes to trying to build bridges with their fans ! Totally dismayed at this really am
Okay, agree it would, but as you said, doesn't mean they would take it....We do know this, clearly owning both the ground and the club gives an exit strategy, it doesn't mean they are going to take it but it would certainly exist and would in all likelihood maximise their ROI from their current position. As things stand at the moment the only exit strategy appears to be to walk away and write off every penny and if they take that option we need to desperately hope there's someone that wants to bid to purchase a L1 club with no ground in a relegation battle out of administration.
@ CCFC......It doesn't take an Einstein to see that whatever offer SISU/Otium would have made, it was all going to be "Lip service" to CCFC fans, and nothing more. If as was reported by the Telegraph actually true that the offer was £30k more than Wasps, it didn't stand a "Snowball in hells chance" of success with all the "Conditions" attached, and well you know it!....How can a company with NO ASSETS make an offer of that magnitude, unless it was doing what CCC/ACL were accused of (State Aid) with SISU, or is that allowed because this is SISU we're talking about?
@ CCFC......It doesn't take an Einstein to see that whatever offer SISU/Otium would have made, it was all going to be "Lip service" to CCFC fans, and nothing more. If as was reported by the Telegraph actually true that the offer was £30k more than Wasps, it didn't stand a "Snowball in hells chance" of success with all the "Conditions" attached, and well you know it!....How can a company with NO ASSETS make an offer of that magnitude, unless it was doing what CCC/ACL were accused of (State Aid) with SISU, or is that allowed because this is SISU we're talking about?
Lets hope for once they bloody win for a change! There is something that seems a little suspect about the sale to me, the way it was kept secret and then all rushed through with pretty much time for anyone to object, the low price, everyone claiming confidentiality. Even the unanimous vote, is there not a single CCFC supporter on the council who thought hang on a minute, if this goes through we're screwed?
@ CCFC......It doesn't take an Einstein to see that whatever offer SISU/Otium would have made, it was all going to be "Lip service" to CCFC fans, and nothing more. If as was reported by the Telegraph actually true that the offer was £30k more than Wasps, it didn't stand a "Snowball in hells chance" of success with all the "Conditions" attached, and well you know it!....How can a company with NO ASSETS make an offer of that magnitude, unless it was doing what CCC/ACL were accused of (State Aid) with SISU, or is that allowed because this is SISU we're talking about?
Agree with a lot of what you say but this time I think you're wrong. You want this to carry on?
Why?If I was Wasps I'd tell us to go somewhere else.
Really hope on Sunday I like what I see.
Question is how will this effect the relationship between landlord and tenet?
If, and it's a huge if, SISU have evidence that something untoward has occurred during this deal I absolutely want them to carry on with legal action, I want them to win it and I want the end result to be Wasps buggering off back to London. If they have nothing then they absolutely should not even be considering legal action and should be concentrating on building a relationship with Wasps.
Of course if we just look at past history with SISU this is very much wishful thinking. But for all we know something has gone on, looking on from outside it doesn't look all on the up and up to me. That's just a gut feeling of course, I don't have access to anything that could back that up with evidence but if it has happened then I certainly don't want a shrug of the shoulders and everyone getting away with selling our stadium out from under us on the cheap, I want some action to put things right.
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