Home is Where the Heart Is (2 Viewers)

[letsallsingtogether]

I haven't missed the point. Children should still go to football, of course they should. Unless we shouldn't take them because of other fans?

Maybe people should think about whether they are going to scare and upset others around them before they do things?

I agree, but maybe the owners should take a close look at themselves to see what makes their customer's feel they need to do these things.
TBF Nick you yourself have mentioned would Leeds or other such clubs have been so low key in their protests for so long.
Unfortunately it is the next step just hope it doesn't escalate any further then it really will become scary.

 

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[Nick]

I agree, but maybe the owners should take a close look at themselves to see what makes their customer's feel they need to do these things.
TBF Nick you yourself have mentioned would Leeds or other such clubs have been so ow key in their protests for so long.
Unfortunately it is the next step just hope it doesn't escalate any further then it really will become scary.

I've said on so many threads about the communication and pr stuff. The last protest I'd have got the names of people, called them to come to ryton.and said look, you are welcome to protest, flags but you really can't go on the pitch and upset others too. Ask them to get behind the team as well and not to forget the club they love.

There are different ways to do things, the aims can be the same but just dealt with differently.

 

[ccfc92]

I've said on so many threads about the communication and pr stuff. The last protest I'd have got the names of people, called them to come to ryton.and said look, you are welcome to protest, flags but you really can't go on the pitch and upset others too. Ask them to get behind the team as well and not to forget the club they love.

There are different ways to do things, the aims can be the same but just dealt with differently.

 

[hill83]

I've said on so many threads about the communication and pr stuff. The last protest I'd have got the names of people, called them to come to ryton.and said look, you are welcome to protest, flags but you really can't go on the pitch and upset others too. Ask them to get behind the team as well and not to forget the club they love.

There are different ways to do things, the aims can be the same but just dealt with differently.

All sounds lovely.

 

[Nick]

All sounds lovely.

You can have tea and cake.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

I've said on so many threads about the communication and pr stuff. The last protest I'd have got the names of people, called them to come to ryton.and said look, you are welcome to protest, flags but you really can't go on the pitch and upset others too. Ask them to get behind the team as well and not to forget the club they love.

There are different ways to do things, the aims can be the same but just dealt with differently.

Funny enough Fisher did ask for everyone's phone number who ran to the front before he ran away.
He was going to phonecall 500 or so personally fuck me would still be at it now......
You couldn't make it up.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

First couple of seasons in a new stadium (an occasion). Every club has an increase in attendance's when they move to a new ground , it then started to drop off back to the Highfield road championshiop norm.

My brother in law didn't even support cov and he had got a season ticket for 3 seasons when we first moved in to the Ricoh. Never been back since.

Plus most away crowds were larger than average as people 'ticked off' a new ground off their list.

I'm not being pedantic but I don't think we can use them as a yardstick of potential, I'd say they were as much off thr back of an occasion as a one off game like thr JPT and Gillingham games.

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I always feel that we have never ( may never now) seen the true extent of the Ricoh as a football stadium. The number of games that have had the "wow" factor could be counted on the fingers of one hand probably. ( Blackburn in the cup maybe, the two comebacks against Peterborough, Gillingham because it was such a joyful occasion?). This has been over a ten year period, so is hundreds of games. Most games have been okay or mediocre or worse. There has been nothing to inspire the non-committed to join the committed. Coventry people are no different to those at Derby or Leicester. They have had a lot of success in the last 49 years. We have had one moment of glory. Give us some success and fans will be there.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Like sing "Your support is fucking shit"
Or perhaps "Wankers wankers"
Or perhaps "Fuck off Tudgay you fucking c**t"
Or calling any Sheffield United fan, family, old or young leaving the ground "Fucking Wankers"
All very normal at our games, particularly away.
Sometimes you need to leave the party and the kids zone and taste reality.

My boys have always come to the games but I can understand why the language and attitude of some people who go to football would put off others taking their kids or going as a family. It's a shame as I think many potential supporters would be turned away. It's a real shame too that segregation is still needed in football. It is good to have a chat and a laugh with opposing fans you have never met before and will probably never meet again.

 

[Nick]

Like sing "Your support is fucking shit"
Or perhaps "Wankers wankers"
Or perhaps "Fuck off Tudgay you fucking c**t"
Or calling any Sheffield United fan, family, old or young leaving the ground "Fucking Wankers"
All very normal at our games, particularly away.
Sometimes you need to leave the party and the kids zone and taste reality.

Isn't that what the JSB section is for, to separate the kids a bit?

Apart from last season, some clever chap teaching his kid who was about 5 or 6 to shout c**t.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I've said on so many threads about the communication and pr stuff. The last protest I'd have got the names of people, called them to come to ryton.and said look, you are welcome to protest, flags but you really can't go on the pitch and upset others too. Ask them to get behind the team as well and not to forget the club they love.

There are different ways to do things, the aims can be the same but just dealt with differently.

I would have thought it was the atmosphere in the stands that was the more scarey part for anyone there (not that I thought it was very scarey really). The pitch invasion was very peaceful, generally allowed by the stewards and police who didn't react to it and which was voluntarily brought quickly to an end. On the basis that it was the verbal aggression in the stands that was probably the more scarey part of the Sheffield game, should fans not protest at all as some might be frightened? I didn't see anyone who looked scared but take the point that some did.I think the protests need to continue.
(As a side note, the West End in the sixties was a scarey place to be when it was packed, crowd surges, the noise, being packed in like sardines. It was this atmosphere as well as great football that made me fall in love with everything sky blue).

 

[ceetee]

Like sing "Your support is fucking shit"
Or perhaps "Wankers wankers"
Or perhaps "Fuck off Tudgay you fucking c**t"
Or calling any Sheffield United fan, family, old or young leaving the ground "Fucking Wankers"
All very normal at our games, particularly away.
Sometimes you need to leave the party and the kids zone and taste reality.

You have just explained why there is a Kids Zone

 

[Nick]

I would have thought it was the atmosphere in the stands that was the more scarey part for anyone there (not that I thought it was very scarey really). The pitch invasion was very peaceful, generally allowed by the stewards and police who didn't react to it and which was voluntarily brought quickly to an end. On the basis that it was the verbal aggression in the stands that was probably the more scarey part of the Sheffield game, should fans not protest at all on the basis that some might be frightened? I didn't see anyone who looked scared but take the point that some did.I think the protests need to continue.
(As a side note, the West End in the sixties was a scarey place to be when it was packed, crowd surges, the noise, being packed in like sardines. It was this atmosphere as well as great football that made me fall in love with everything sky blue).

Personally where I was I think my daughter wouldn't have been scared. She would have found the bloke playing cat and mouse in the telegraph stand hilarious. It would have mainly been funny because she knows it is naughty, the same as if somebody says "shit" and she hears them.

She found the pigs hilarious, as again she knows it's a bit naughty and because they were pink pigs being lobbed on the pitch. That wouldn't scare her in the slightest.

If we were sat across a bit where people went to storm the pitch and loads of angry people with faces covered came steaming past then she would be frightened. I was looking into her being a ball girl that game, she would have been sat on her own so then she would have been petrified.

On the pitch I didn't see any violence from any fans like you say.

I've never said don't protest in case it scares kids, just maybe take that into consideration before when storming through the family zone with hoods up and scarves covering faces to get on the pitch as an example.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Personally where I was I think my daughter wouldn't have been scared. She would have found the bloke playing cat and mouse in the telegraph stand hilarious. It would have mainly been funny because she knows it is naughty, the same as if somebody says "shit" and she hears them.

She found the pigs hilarious, as again she knows it's a bit naughty and because they were pink pigs being lobbed on the pitch. That wouldn't scare her in the slightest.

If we were sat across a bit where people went to storm the pitch and loads of angry people with faces covered came steaming past then she would be frightened. I was looking into her being a ball girl that game, she would have been sat on her own so then she would have been petrified.

On the pitch I didn't see any violence from any fans like you say.

I've never said don't protest in case it scares kids, just maybe take that into consideration before when storming through the family zone with hoods up and scarves covering faces to get on the pitch as an example.

Fair enough.

 

[Nick]

Fair enough.

I've also suggested a fair few times how kids could be involved with making a statement without really getting involved in the politics.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Isn't that what the JSB section is for, to separate the kids a bit?

Apart from last season, some clever chap teaching his kid who was about 5 or 6 to shout c**t.

Sorry my bad, was the first time I've got so close to you and Tim when I've been with me lads...

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Exactly right yet for some reason people think that Coventry folk are different to any other City.
Give them what they want and they will come that is how it always had been in the entertainment buisiness.

 

[hutch1972]

My boys have always come to the games but I can understand why the language and attitude of some people who go to football would put off others taking their kids or going as a family. It's a shame as I think many potential supporters would be turned away. It's a real shame too that segregation is still needed in football. It is good to have a chat and a laugh with opposing fans you have never met before and will probably never meet again.

Is language and attitudes any different to the last 100 years ? I would say that today's football experience is far more comfortable and safer than at anytime in my life.
Anyone who has a complaint about watching today obviously weren't around in the 60s 70s and 80s, when going to any game was a lesson in battlefield tactics.
Regarding the language , if you follow social media, watch TV or just listen to today's kids in the street you will find they could teach us a thing or two about being foul mouthed. I hear more bad language in most films today than on a football match day.
Football has always been the most passionate sport on the planet and always will be, regardless of how big the crowd is.
If anyone wants a nice family day out in a completely sanitised atmosphere then try a wasps rugby game , at least there the kids can wave their little plastic flags while the adults discuss the next week's business meetings.
This is not a rant aimed at anybody , it's just my opinion . Maybe people should use the areas designated for parents and children! Every ground in the country has them.

 

[Nick]

Is language and attitudes any different to the last 100 years ? I would say that today's football experience is far more comfortable and safer than at anytime in my life.
Anyone who has a complaint about watching today obviously weren't around in the 60s 70s and 80s, when going to any game was a lesson in battlefield tactics.
Regarding the language , if you follow social media, watch TV or just listen to today's kids in the street you will find they could teach us a thing or two about being foul mouthed. I hear more bad language in most films today than on a football match day.
Football has always been the most passionate sport on the planet and always will be, regardless of how big the crowd is.
If anyone wants a nice family day out in a completely sanitised atmosphere then try a wasps rugby game , at least there the kids can wave their little plastic flags while the adults discuss the next week's business meetings.
This is not a rant aimed at anybody , it's just my opinion . Maybe people should use the areas designated for parents and children! Every ground in the country has them.

I guess it depends on the bad language.

If somebody misses an open goal and says "fuck sake" out of frustration or a chant of "you're shit" when a goalie takes a kick for example, it's a lot different to the who who was getting his kid to shout "c**t". It's context as well.

 

[hutch1972]

I guess it depends on the bad language.

If somebody misses an open goal and says "fuck sake" out of frustration or a chant of "you're shit" when a goalie takes a kick for example, it's a lot different to the who who was getting his kid to shout "c**t". It's context as well.

I agree completely , but that is more to do with people's parenting skills than anything else.
I know what I'd do if my children shouted that. There are those who won't have it in any context though.

 

[Nick]

I agree completely , but that is more to do with people's parenting skills than anything else.
I know what I'd do if my children shouted that. There are those who won't have it in any context though.

Well yeah, I won't have mine swearing but I also then have to understand other people's limits, then there is just taking it too far.

On that note, other people must have had that moment where they thought they were talking to their mates but it was actually their young child and they have sworn at them?

 

[italiahorse]

Isn't that what the JSB section is for, to separate the kids a bit?

Apart from last season, some clever chap teaching his kid who was about 5 or 6 to shout c**t.

You have just explained why there is a Kids Zone

So it's okay to take kids as long as it's in the kids zone?
Surely the answer should have been that its not acceptable to use foul or abusive language anywhere in the stadium.
No doubt people will come back that football is like that.
..... and we wonder why families go to rugby where in general all fans are respected.

 

[Nick]

So it's okay to take kids as long as it's in the kids zone?
Surely the answer should have been that its not acceptable to use foul or abusive language anywhere in the stadium.
No doubt people will come back that football is like that.
..... and we wonder why families go to rugby where in general all fans are respected.

Again, it depends on the language and context of it I think. I don't personally agree a lot of it, but then again most games I say "for fuck sake" under my breath so nobody else can hear without thinking.

I dont go to places based on that. The same as I wouldn't; take kids to certain pubs or environments.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So it's okay to take kids as long as it's in the kids zone?
Surely the answer should have been that its not acceptable to use foul or abusive language anywhere in the stadium.
No doubt people will come back that football is like that.
..... and we wonder why families go to rugby where in general all fans are respected.

I think the general translation for that is you trying to slyly justify people going to Wasps matches.

I would say more than that, but the dog in your picture is too cute, and i'd feel bad saying anything too nasty!

 

[hutch1972]

So it's okay to take kids as long as it's in the kids zone?
Surely the answer should have been that its not acceptable to use foul or abusive language anywhere in the stadium.
No doubt people will come back that football is like that.
..... and we wonder why families go to rugby where in general all fans are respected.

So people don't swear at rugby matches ? To me rugby is a passionate sport on the pitch , it's a pity that is where it ends. A crowd which was double the average on boxing day created less atmosphere than you would find on the moon.

 

[skybluebeduff]

So it's okay to take kids as long as it's in the kids zone?
Surely the answer should have been that its not acceptable to use foul or abusive language anywhere in the stadium.
No doubt people will come back that football is like that.
..... and we wonder why families go to rugby where in general all fans are respected.

As much as I like your stance you make regarding SISU e.c.t, let's get one thing straight, this is a football forum, you won't find many at all caring about what a rugby game atmosphere is like. I can't stand the sport, it's full of chest pumping, I'm hard Bruce Lee type of people, it's major boring shit. That's why it's friendly atmospheres, because it's boring, you need to entertain yourself.

Football is what it is, children don't need sugar coating, the whole world is tribal, every country right now and it's leaders are tribal, it's reality.

Can take your children to watch skillful players do things amazing with a football, or take them to watch men smack the shit out of each other legally on a pitch.

Catch my drift?

 

[ccfc92]

The main difference between the two sports is: "Those football hooligans, complete scummy animals" and "It's okay, it's the rugby lot, it's all part of the fun" when in most cases the behaviour of both fans are just as bad.

I'm not sure why, but rugby teams go out in town and cause mayhem, but it's okay apparently? Two football fans have a toe to toe, and get bans and court appearances. Weird.

 

[italiahorse]

So people don't swear at rugby matches ? To me rugby is a passionate sport on the pitch , it's a pity that is where it ends. A crowd which was double the average on boxing day created less atmosphere than you would find on the moon.

You obviously wasn't there and if you were you were 2 days too late.

 

[italiahorse]

As much as I like your stance you make regarding SISU e.c.t, let's get one thing straight, this is a football forum, you won't find many at all caring about what a rugby game atmosphere is like. I can't stand the sport, it's full of chest pumping, I'm hard Bruce Lee type of people, it's major boring shit. That's why it's friendly atmospheres, because it's boring, you need to entertain yourself.

Football is what it is, children don't need sugar coating, the whole world is tribal, every country right now and it's leaders are tribal, it's reality.

Can take your children to watch skillful players do things amazing with a football, or take them to watch men smack the shit out of each other legally on a pitch.

Catch my drift?

Not really.
There is swearing and there is football swearing.
I cringe when I here some of the singing.
It's just not required.

 

[Nick]

Not really.
There is swearing and there is football swearing.
I cringe when I here some of the singing.
It's just not required.

To be fair, I have cringed at some without any swearing in at all!

I'd long for "you're shit, and you know you are". Keep it simple rather than everybody going home trying to over complicate things.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

You have just explained why there is a Kids Zone

And as if by magic, a "Sound filter" appears and the kids can't hear any swearing, or the sight of "SISU OUT Banners" and fighting are replaced by Unicorns sparkling in their place, and everything on planet SISU is love and harmony.... No! I'm not disrespecting the use of "Kids Zones" and long may they last. I'm just bringing you all into the real world.

 

[Nick]

And as if by magic, a "Sound filter" appears and the kids can't hear any swearing, or the sight of "SISU OUT Banners" and fighting are replaced by Unicorns sparkling in their place, and everything on planet SISU is love and harmony.... No! I'm not disrespecting the use of "Kids Zones" and long may they last. I'm just bringing you all into the real world.

And the last time you sat in the family zone was?

Nobody is saying there is a filter, but it's a respect thing and it is an allocated place for families to sit.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Is language and attitudes any different to the last 100 years ? I would say that today's football experience is far more comfortable and safer than at anytime in my life.
Anyone who has a complaint about watching today obviously weren't around in the 60s 70s and 80s, when going to any game was a lesson in battlefield tactics.
Regarding the language , if you follow social media, watch TV or just listen to today's kids in the street you will find they could teach us a thing or two about being foul mouthed. I hear more bad language in most films today than on a football match day.
Football has always been the most passionate sport on the planet and always will be, regardless of how big the crowd is.
If anyone wants a nice family day out in a completely sanitised atmosphere then try a wasps rugby game , at least there the kids can wave their little plastic flags while the adults discuss the next week's business meetings.
This is not a rant aimed at anybody , it's just my opinion . Maybe people should use the areas designated for parents and children! Every ground in the country has them.

If you go to away games, away fans always go in the same area, there is no family area. I agree about modern life and that it seems to be normal to hear swearing all over the place, TV included. I think things have changed over the years. I was reading in a magazine a while back that when Portsmouth won the cup in the forties or the fifties. They did a bus tour of their own City and then went over to Southampton to do the same. Southampton people came out to clap and cheer. The magazine contrasted that to the last time they played each other, the police operation to ensure segregation and the fact that some sections of each fan base referred to the other as"the scum". I just thin k it's a shame you can't support your team without having to abuse your rivals. It was a really good experience at Charlton this season with both sets of fans together.

 

[Nick]

If you go to away games, away fans always go in the same area, there is no family area. I agree about modern life and that it seems to be normal to hear swearing all over the place, TV included. I think things have changed over the years. I was reading in a magazine a while back that when Portsmouth won the cup in the forties or the fifties. They did a bus tour of their own City and then went over to Southampton to do the same. Southampton people came out to clap and cheer. The magazine contrasted that to the last time they played each other, the police operation to ensure segregation and the fact that some sections of each fan base referred to the other as"the scum". I just thin k it's a shame you can't support your team without having to abuse your rivals. It was a really good experience at Charlton this season with both sets of fans together.

While maybe not extreme abuse, I do like a bit of slating and bickering. Not to the extent of telling kids to kick their heads in, more like "boooooooooooo the other team, boo" and "us" and "them" while the game is on.

Not really a fan of all of the shakey hand lovey dovey stuff with other teams fans, it annoys me they get "welcomed" etc.

Bring back away mascots and the wrestling between them too!

 

[italiahorse]

You missed the Mexican wave then ? All them big guys trying to get up and down balancing their beer and flags
It was very noisy at times but I would not be putting the videos on here to prove it.
Nick would call out the SBTalk lynch party.

 

[hutch1972]

You obviously wasn't there and if you were you were 2 days too late.

Sorry wrong day.
I wasn't at the game but spent an hour in the area and didn't hear a peep. On returning home I watched the last 15 min on TV ( hoping for a Bath win) and could not believe that a top table clash could muster up such a soulless occasion on the terraces. Imagine what it would be like if they find themselves struggling.