Otis
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I do agree with much of what you are saying.
Homophobic chanting (2 Viewers)
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Terry_dactyl
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...and so ends the debate.
mark82
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I'm not really sure any of it is ok, whether they can change it or not. And who is not to say something like weight is down to something genetic or medical? Or hairstyles could be due to something like alopecia? Some disabilities are self inflicted, would this make it ok to mock? Where is the line you draw when you decide if something is self-inflicted or can be changed?
ccfc1234
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Mark, I agree 100%, none of it is okay. I said 'next level down' but that level is still out of order and not right.
DannyThomas_1981
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Laughing at your post Otis and agreed.
But I found Neville's recollection pretty funny and it's actually amazing that pros don't react more often to the abuse from some of those in the stands. I know a couple of players and the abuse is horrendous. Same applies to fans abusing the officials and that's even worse in my book as refs are normal blokes and they're not being paid millions of pounds to officiate. I also hate managers who blame refs for their failings and attempt to intimidate and bully (step forward Fergie and Warnock - twats). Cloughie was a legend for respecting refs.
Anyway going back to the fans, I've never really understood why anyone wants to pay £40 to spend 90 minutes screaming abuse at the opposition players - seems like a good way to motivate those players to me and it must be tiring to scream abuse for so long. I prefer to support our lads on the pitch personally - even that's beyond some fans when they support their own team "you're shite - fuck off etc." Great support!
(Discount all of the above for that fat wanker Steve Evans obviously or any opposition player who shows clear dissent to the officials or any player attempting to kick one of ours out of the game - Sheffield United away and Lameiras being kicked out of the game a good example that someone mentioned a few days back. All of the above scenarios piss me off and any abuse is warranted).
clint van damme
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oh dear.
Sick Boy
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Using that logic the use of racist language could be considered ‘banta’ and a premeditated murder would be racist.
fatso
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Not at all, as racist language is usually (if not always ) used to cause offence.
Banta is a Micky take, a harmless leg pull etc.
By all accounts, the guy in the pink shirt just ignored his detractors, until they got bored, and in doing so, gained the moral high ground.
He didnt appear offended, or break down in floods of tears, or rush home and start a thread on an online forum.
Maybe he thought there was enough loonies around to get offended for him.
Now, before the keyboard judges, jurors and executioners on here start to go into total meltdown, I'm NOT condoning any anti social behaviour, what I AM saying is let's just put things into perspective. On a day when 2 famous clubs may disappear for ever, a bit of harmless, probably good natured banta is not the biggest problem with football.
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I'm not sure that's fair. Whose to say it is harmless? How do you know he wasnt just putting a brave face on?
Bottom line it IS homophobic. They were taking the piss out of someone for potentially being gay because he wore pink...
I'm not personally offended but I can see how some people would be. To brush it off as "banta" (another cringe word often used to defend bullying) is just ignorant.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep was blatantly homophobic and not ok. I suppose there was no physical danger to the person that makes it a little different
But that's just your opinion, it isn't fact. I thought the chanting was silly, immature and not welcome. Did it display a fear of homosexuality? That's a bit of a stretch.
I think it is self-evident that people did not appreciate it and on the back of that, I think it is very unlikely we'll hear this again. So calling this stuff out is fine, but people are trying a little too hard to virtue signal here.
ajsccfc
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Sick Boy
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What’s fear got to do with it? Homophobia is about more than a fear. It also covers slurs and discrimination. The football authorities prosecute now for it, so it’s more just someone’s opinion.
You know I was talking about the definition of the word and what it actually means. If you think that word has broader connotations, fine, but I think it devalues the word personally. I say this as someone who has several family members who are gay including my daughter. I know what real homophobia looks like. In my opinion this was simply a display of stupidity and immaturity, but I'll leave it there.
fatso
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Totally agree, the level of outrage has gone far beyond what was required for this particular incident
Sick Boy
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By definition it does.
The chant is outdated and embarrassing but 15-20 years ago I doubt the original poster would even have posted this thread, which is a sign of progress.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I think the way teams like Leicester (and many French rugby teams) have chosen pink as the colour of their kit has been aimed at defusing this sort of silliness. Yeah, we wear pink because we are still sportsmen, and it's ok to wear pink, and we don't want to call anyone out who might be gay as being different".
(I'm not sure that makes 100% sense, but i hope you get my drift).
The people who were chanting it on Saturday were presumably the 12-17 year olds who inhabit singers' corner, yes? The ones who HAVE been brought up in a generation where these things ARE frowned upon, and being told constantly that they are "snowflakes", etc. So they should know better than any of us older types who might struggle with the "being offended by proxy" argument.
But, i'm afraid it is my belief that promoting your sexual identity at work is wrong - you are AT WORK! Get on and do your fucking job. This is 2019 - no one gives a shit what your sexual identity is.
(I'm not sure that makes 100% sense, but i hope you get my drift).
The people who were chanting it on Saturday were presumably the 12-17 year olds who inhabit singers' corner, yes? The ones who HAVE been brought up in a generation where these things ARE frowned upon, and being told constantly that they are "snowflakes", etc. So they should know better than any of us older types who might struggle with the "being offended by proxy" argument.
But, i'm afraid it is my belief that promoting your sexual identity at work is wrong - you are AT WORK! Get on and do your fucking job. This is 2019 - no one gives a shit what your sexual identity is.
Some of you are mad.
If a large group of young lads shout and point at someone they dont know and say "whose the gay boy in the pink" suggesting they think A. He might be gay and B. That if he is it's funny and they should single him out for abuse....how the hell is that NOT homophobic?
If a large group of young lads shout and point at someone they dont know and say "whose the gay boy in the pink" suggesting they think A. He might be gay and B. That if he is it's funny and they should single him out for abuse....how the hell is that NOT homophobic?
shmmeee
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No. The joke isn’t “you’re gay and being gay is funny”. It’s “you’re not gay but you look like you are”.
Just like if my mate turns up looking like a Rasta or a WW1 soldier I’ll take the piss because he’s not those things. I’m not making a value judgement on the things he looks like. Incongruence is the very basis of comedy.
Aside from anything else, this constant language policing isn’t effective at changing people’s behaviours. It’s a selfish act designed to make you feel better, as I said before people pick and choose which offences to take on behalf of others which kind of pops their sense of superiority.
I doubt anyone in this thread would be OK with actual homophobic bullying of actual gay people.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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Incidentally, the woman with the baby who was the target of insulting sexist chanting was the wife of the owner of our club's main sponsor! It would be within his rights to turn around and say "if you are going to allow your fans to behave that way towards us, we'll have our money back, thanks"!
It was funny in the 80s, but those were different times!
It was funny in the 80s, but those were different times!
Sick Boy
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What makes a person look gay?
richnrg
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Poor bugger - fat, bald and ginger.
Sky Blue Pete
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Wearing pink clearly
OffenhamSkyBlue
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The stuff about Pogba was pretty grim, to be honest. Is it not enough to call someone a useless c*nt that they need to embellish it by bringing his skin colour into it! So sad.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I think the "what the fookin hell is that?" chant at opposing sides' weird and wonderful mascot costumes is pretty funny. But i'm sure the mascot employee is deeply offended by it! Fuck 'em - that's his employer's fault for making him wear something so shit!
Grendel
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A pink shirt? A look like the hairdresser in Benidorm?
usskyblue
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Thought I’d wait to wade in.
The essence of the subject is; ‘change’.
In recent years big strides have been made towards equality and respect for all, no matter what your sexual preference. Some people don’t like change and some embrace it. Then there are some that think it’s ‘funny’ to revert to outdated thinking. These people tend to be in groups (peers).
At the end of the day, the equality changes that have happened are positive. The byproduct of change are the people that struggle with it.
It’s not being the PC police to call out someone for being stuck in the 70’s, because it’s no longer acceptable to behave like you are. Whatever the situation.
The essence of the subject is; ‘change’.
In recent years big strides have been made towards equality and respect for all, no matter what your sexual preference. Some people don’t like change and some embrace it. Then there are some that think it’s ‘funny’ to revert to outdated thinking. These people tend to be in groups (peers).
At the end of the day, the equality changes that have happened are positive. The byproduct of change are the people that struggle with it.
It’s not being the PC police to call out someone for being stuck in the 70’s, because it’s no longer acceptable to behave like you are. Whatever the situation.
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fatso
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Having a cock in their mouth is usually a clue.
fatso
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I congratulate you Shmmeee on the use of the word “incongruence”
Well worth a like that!
clint van damme
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not if it's a woman.
Briles
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Calling someone Gay who isn't gay is clearly aimed as an insult (Don't know why). Its one thing ribbing your mates and keeping it in your own little immature circle, but to do it publicly to strangers is a bit of a c*ntish thing to do. I mean it doesn't offend me, I just thing you're a poorly raised c*nt.
fatso
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She loves a big cock!