TommyAtkins
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They might be able to invest into the infrastructure but not into the squad
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They might be able to invest into the infrastructure but not into the squad
Mumford and Daughter
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not dodging anything
i said you make a point and i make a point both valid
our loan signings helped espeically norwood so thorn was given some help
start of the month the situation was in our hands we blew it
Skybluedar
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It's all just conjecture and what ifs. Reality is we had what we had because SISU couldn't afford any more and no matter what the fans did, it didn't change anything. Unless we could have a 80% minimum total boycott then it wouldn't have mattered. And tbf it doesn't matter if the season ticket holders go or not, they've paid. So how many we're likely to travel up to stand outside and not go in. It was doomed to fail. In reality, without a real alternative to SISU ownership, there's no alternative. So we are now basically down, not the first club to be a victim of poor management, broke owners, and total lack of investment. Won't be the last either. It's about the future now. One in which, without a takeover, could prove to be even more heartbreaking than our imminent relegation from the Championship.
TheParsonsHose
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Tommy....Any good business plan should have had the Stadium as number one priority. This was not their number one priority I dont care what you say.
rob9872
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I could have managed Forest to stay up this season. Have a look at their squad and compare it with ours. They massively under-achieved and that was down to the manager and players not the owners.
One other issue that strikes me from this thread are posts suggesting that our players are largely good enough for the Championship and that many will end up back there next season, therefore we should have performed better this season.
I agree with that and they are largely good enough for this level (although some of them have improved significantly as the season has gone by gaining experience, strenth and harnessing the raw talent), as there is not a massive amount between almost all of the teams in the league. The difference is that little bit of quality that we don't have in front of goal (eg like a Marlon King). If you add that to most squads then it could be the difference between relative success and failure.
One other issue that strikes me from this thread are posts suggesting that our players are largely good enough for the Championship and that many will end up back there next season, therefore we should have performed better this season.
I agree with that and they are largely good enough for this level (although some of them have improved significantly as the season has gone by gaining experience, strenth and harnessing the raw talent), as there is not a massive amount between almost all of the teams in the league. The difference is that little bit of quality that we don't have in front of goal (eg like a Marlon King). If you add that to most squads then it could be the difference between relative success and failure.
TommyAtkins
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I haven't heard "I dont care what you say" since Eton - thanks for the nolstagia/memory.
Out of curiousity, where do you think the funds for the stadium should have come from?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Of course you are dodging questions. Were Ferguson, O'Driscoll and Lambert sacked too soon?
Do you really think you can be taken seriously, when you hold up Forest as an example of how things can work - trying to insinuate that their change of manager was pivotal to their season - when they already have a squad with Marlon Herewood, Ishmeal Miller, Andy Reid, George Boeteng, Jonathon Greening, Matt Derbyshire, Dexter Blackstock, David McGoldrick and Marcus Tudgay in it; and they still get into trouble and go out and get another 5 players in January, including George Elokobi and Danny Higginbotham - and you somehow draw a parallel with us having Nimely and Norwood
stupot07
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Rob, you've hit the nail on the head - ou lack of quality in the final third is the main reason we are going down. One of the reasons Doncaster have stayed up so long has been Billy Sharp's goals.
TheParsonsHose
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My pleasure on the memory front. :claping hands:
Funds......From somebody who had a real financially sound plan when they took over the club. If you are looking at buying our club as a business this should be the first thing you review. If you cannot afford this then how did they think they could make it pay as a going concern? They had a short term goal with minimum investment banking on promotion which never happended, once this became clear it was not going to happen we were in a downward spiral.
So I expected it to come from SISU or they should have walked away before this started and we should have negotiated with one of the other parties we fucked off at the time. People should have put aside there emotianal differences and should have concentrated on due dilligence rather than backing ourselved into a one horse race where we held no cards and were desperate for anybody....
Hugh Jarse
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You are getting a alittle ahead of yourself. Can we afford it in Division 1?
torchomatic
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This I agree with and was a discussion my Dad and I had on the way home last night. There are loads of managers out there who see us as a big fish in a small pond in L1.
torchomatic
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torchomatic
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singers_pore
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The threat of liquidation is to the company running Rangers. The "club" is not a legal identity and so cannot be liquidated in the conventional sense.
In any case, a business with 40,000 regular paying customers is never going to cease to exist. It simply doesn't make any commercial sense for that to happen. That's why no club of any reasonable size has ceased to exist.
But - hey - why let the facts get in the way of another ill-informed Tommy rant?
torchomatic
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Pie in the sky, cloudcuckooland poppycock.
So SISU are only here because we "let" them? I tell you what, why don't you pay the rent on the Ricoh for a bit, that'll help us out.
As for the consortium idea, the fans don't even turn up to watch the team nevermind funding them. Insania.
So SISU are only here because we "let" them? I tell you what, why don't you pay the rent on the Ricoh for a bit, that'll help us out.
As for the consortium idea, the fans don't even turn up to watch the team nevermind funding them. Insania.
Mumford and Daughter
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noone knows the answer but he couldnt deliver with this crop for whatever reason despite getting us into a positon only 2 weeks ago when our own fate was in our hands , between him and players we messed up
when it mattered him and players fecked it up
Brighton Sky Blue
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We should hire Appleton-God in the eyes of the Football League...
Mumford and Daughter
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yes , between 200 of us we gathered publicty and got the ball rolling for the sisu out campaign , tv coverage and media coverage , since then theres been nothing .
if noone trys and think of ideas this club will carry on dropping down the league like we have the past 4 seasons but its alright cause you and others know best and would rather rant on a messagebroad instead of trying to do something
torchomatic
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Oh, stop being a big baby. Of course, I don't know best. All I am saying if people don't turn up to support the team they are certainly not going to put their own hard-earned cash into a fans' consortium. Our fans are too few in numbers and too lethargic. You said yourself you left early because we weren't going to score, but we may have done, like we did against Cardiff or late in the game at Hull.
Fans would never have the financial clout to fund the rent, the wages, etc on an ongoing monthly basis. It's dreamland stuff.
Fans would never have the financial clout to fund the rent, the wages, etc on an ongoing monthly basis. It's dreamland stuff.
Mumford and Daughter
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last night the whole ground with 10 mins to go were down in the dumps , were they or were they not ?
the players head were down and that rubbed off on the fans
as for this financial clout you mention , i see sisu are showing us how its done :facepalm:
torchomatic
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They've done it for four years, rightly or wrongly. A consortium wouldn't last a month.
ccfcdan
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All these people sat on here moaning about our demise sicken me. Where were you all when it really mattered? We had an oppurtunity to show the world media that the fans of Coventry city have had enough and that were proud and not happy to sit back and watch our club be destroyed by SISU. I was also outside the stadium vs Soton and people walking past us we saying how pathetic it all was. Well i hope those people are happy now because they have got what they deserved!! Were well and turely in the shit. Some of our fans really do have to take a look at themselves.
Mumford and Daughter
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exactly dan , makes me sick how you get so many moaners yet they do nothing to help the cause
torchomatic
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Grendel
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The only help ever needed was people getting off their armchairs and going every week. Our stay at home fans have at last got what they deserved.
torchomatic
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Get the bloke from Corrie to fund the club for a bit.
Mumford and Daughter
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weve had the stayaway fans for years
yes they are partly responsible but why the remainder of fans sit back and allow sisu to continue then will be in this situation
When the protests took place sisu made contact with fans albeit not much , since the protests have stopped when was the last time we heard from them ????
bit of a coincidence
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Been away last week or so, Thorn is not the reason we will be relegated. Yes, there are managers who could have done a better job but unless they wanted to work for cheap with little support from the board they would not come to CCFC.
It is all well saying Thorn should have went in October but who would you employ instead, the ball boy?
If Thorn had kept this squad up it would have been a great achievement as we have a squad who is among the worse 3 in the league and arguably the worse in the division in terms of player quality and squad depth.
It is all well saying Thorn should have went in October but who would you employ instead, the ball boy?
If Thorn had kept this squad up it would have been a great achievement as we have a squad who is among the worse 3 in the league and arguably the worse in the division in terms of player quality and squad depth.
We'll_live_and_die
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Grow up, you dick.
covcity4life
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kinda true though,torch is a bigger fan of himself than he is cov
Mumford and Daughter
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excatly torch does thrive on wanting to be mr right all the time very patronising poster on here
TommyAtkins
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Because Dan, SISU haven't destroyed our club.
If we get liquidated, then I will agree that the club has been destroyed. But if we get liquidated, then blame goes to Richardson and Robinson for leaving us in such a mess.
SISU invested (and we can argue about how much/little that was)but their investment just wasn't enough to repair the damage.
If SISU hadn't have turned up, this mess would have occurred instead of the takeover. The cuts we see now would have happened under the administrator (and liquidation may have happened then)
All SISU did was delay the day of reckoning.
And the reason no one joined the campaign was because the objective was wrong. "SISU out" was short-sighted and potentially damaging. The real objective was better worded as "Save Our City" and this campaign should have tried to talk with SISU first.