I don't think anyone likes Franchises in Sport, but it is no good substituting the evil Council with the evil franchise in the blame game - as seems to be the trend with some people. SISU remain in the driving seat and the Buck stops with them. They are driving us towards a brick wall at high speed...
Well now wasps are likely to have 100% of the Ricoh and we continue to be on a rent no/little access to revenue deal then we're likely to be in league one for a considerable amount of time. We will become a league one-championship yo yo club at best.
I think our gates could suffer, but it's easier to blame sisu than wasps. Interesting you don't mention the impact off cov rugby.
So much for our community based sport clubs. I hope wasps stay here is a disaster, and no ccfc fan attends. I certainly won't be making an effort to make them feel welcome.
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And in selling their shares to wasps the council and Higgs (when it's done and dusted) and gone and built another brick wall ten times closer.
You can absolve them of blame all you want if it makes you feel better. We've been shat on from a great height from all parties.
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I think we could end up as a Yo-Yo Club between League 1 and 2 if that suits SISU ( not saying it dös at the moment). I don't know what the deal with Cov Rugby will be, but they have been in the wilderness for years - without Wasps. Taking another angle, if Wasps do really well, they may not need as much Rent from CCFC.
And in selling their shares to wasps the council and Higgs (when it's done and dusted) and gone and built another brick wall ten times closer.
You can absolve them of blame all you want if it makes you feel better. We've been shat on from a great height from all parties.
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Nah the council and charity have done what anyone would do in the circumstances.
The football club only has itself to blame here.
It's like when criminals or alcoholics blame everyone else in society.
We had plenty of opportunities to avoid this situation we kept forcing this outcome.
The football club itself is solely to blame for this one.
Yes don, in your head yes.
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I think putting 100% of the blame on sisu ...is fucking ridiculousThe fact that you and the odd other desperately try and switch the debate to the morals of franchising sport. (Franchising us wrong everyone accepts)
Highlights that your attempts to not accept that SISU's decisions and tactics have solely left us where we are today, have failed dismally
Eventually they will be popular , couple of generations time , kids will grow up knowing them as the local team .
I think putting 100% of the blame on sisu ...is fucking ridiculous
I think putting 100% of the blame on sisu ...is fucking ridiculous
If they did the deal that wasps proved how to do either at the beginning of their tenure or at any other point during their ownership.
Or had a decent business relationship with their business partners throughout their tenure.
Wasps would not be here.
That's the type of character who watches rugby. It's all "well done old chap" and cunts.I have now heard a few people at work who are not wasps fans they are from the Birmingham region. They and their friends/ partners intend to travel to the Ricoh to watch wasps and they are quite excited about it.
It is bizarre to me some normally go to Northampton. Yet they claim the Ricoh will be easier to get to, so that's it off they go to wasps???A couple class themselves as London Irish fans.
A couple said they just like watching top level rugby and don't care who plays.
Ideally they should have bought the stadium , they didnt , but you said that sisu are 100% to blame , it wasnt sisu who sold it was it to the new franchise team , the council appeared over recent years to not want to sell off the stadium so quickly and neither did ACL , everybody here thought and still does think the arena is a cash cow ... Explains the acl net profit of 1 million pounds last year (hardly worldbeating is it)
there is no doubt sisu have a huge portion of the blame here , the council and acl have also shown throughout the period that they too dont rally care all that much about ccfc .
after all they were the ones who charged 1.3 million pounds a season for a team on its knees to shell out and play at a stadium , which we really had no other option but to sign .
Sprinkle it in rose petals if you like , doesnt alter the fact that you cannot 100% blame the club for this
Yes. Dare say that will the case. You also have to equate for human nature and a victorious cup or league championship for Wasps will swiftly have some people being turned round.Eventually they will be popular , couple of generations time , kids will grow up knowing them as the local team .
For what its worth on my first post on this thread, I have the following observations.
1) The only person who is predicting 'great' attendances is Dongo
2) The person who seems to have least knowledge on current Rugby attendances is Dongo.
3) People who actually attend Rugby matches, including watching some of the bigger clubs, are not making such wild predictions and are keeping it more low key, which the attendances will be.
4) No one else on the thread (unless i have missed it) have claimed they have met lots of potential excited new fans like Dongo has.
5) I haven't met anyone anywhere, who is remotely interested in watching wasps, in fact nearly 90% of the people I have spoken to about it want them to fail, with most wanting them to leave.
6) Why would anyone switch from a top side like the Saints or the Tigers to a mediocre one like Wasps, to watch them in a sparsely filled stadium.
Sorry Dongo but this just comes accross as like some PR exercise by you on behalf of Wasps.
That's the type of character who watches rugby. It's all "well done old chap" and cunts.
I don't work for the council or wasps.
Rugby fans are totally different to football fans in terms of club loyalty. Whilst Sains & Tigers fans will have support from predominantly their local area, many people I know will go to watch the rugby without any affection for either of the teams playing just want to see high quality rugby.
Rugby fans are totally different to football fans in terms of club loyalty. Whilst Sains & Tigers fans will have support from predominantly their local area, many people I know will go to watch the rugby without any affection for either of the teams playing just want to see high quality rugby.
That's what I seem to be finding out
I'm the same. If I want to read high-quality pro-council bullshit then I come on here and read your posts.
Congratulations Torch, your transition to a "Grendel" is complete.
I think, like the Council, there are a few people kidding themselves here. You can go and look at the stats for yourselves...
http://www.premiershiprugby.com/matchcentre/fixtures/fixtures.php?includeref=9229&season=2013-2014
The only team that get anything like 'decent' attendances by football standards are Leicester Tigers. And then you've got Saints, Bath, and Gloucester - who are closer to 10,000 generally.
And these are well-established teams in places that can genuinely be called rugby towns. We've got a franchise team, moving into a town that's primarily football, and who have already p*ssed off a reasonable number of both the local rugby and football fans.
As for having Brum (say 2m people) on the doorstep, Wasps had London (say 10m) on theirs at Wycombe, and could still only get 6,000 or so.
My prediction is that Wasps might get a lift at the first few games through novelty and freebies - and they'll get big (c20,000) attendances for Saints & Tigers games, probably, but the majority of games will be a few thousand. They will be lucky if they get as many as they got at Wycombe, imho, and I don't see that changing much even over a longer period.
It's not much fun at the Ricoh when it's three-quarters empty, as we know.
Where they might make money is on the corporate side. Rugby traditionally does quite well on that front, and the Ricoh is well set up for it. It's hardly likely to bring a vast revenue into the city as a whole though.
Apologies, I must know not to disagree with anything from you and yours. Won't happen again.
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