TomRad85
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Cool, let's not punish anyone then. Sounds like an even better deterrent.
Cool, let's not punish anyone then. Sounds like an even better deterrent.Makes criminals, doesn’t rehabilitate and is expensive
Like I say evidence suggests that sentences under 6 months are counter productive and as I say deterrence is not part of punishmentCool, let's not punish anyone then. Sounds like an even better deterrent.
But I'm saying I don't care, if someone commits a crime they should be punished. I assume you're against public beatings so jail it is.Like I say evidence suggests that sentences under 6 months are counter productive and as I say deterrence is not part of punishment
Prisons minister looks to scrap sentences of less than six months – The Justice Gap
www.thejusticegap.com
Prison reform trust have recently done some work on understanding society perception and society is so wrong. Prison sentences have never been longer and we’ve never sent more people to prison and it just doesn’t work. Society think sentences have got smaller and prisoners spend less time in prison
Community orders are far far more effective rather than short sentences as the article showsBut I'm saying I don't care, if someone commits a crime they should be punished. I assume you're against public beatings so jail it is.
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Community orders are far far more effective rather than short sentences as the article shows
Long sentences don’t work as a deterrent but people need to be punished when they commit crimeWhat about long sentences?
Long sentences don’t work as a deterrent but people need to be punished when they commit crime
Of course not. There are obviously a lot of cases where one side sees is different to another. If it’s cut and dry though then they should face the same punishment they were trying to force the other into.
PIN number.
Madness.
I think violent criminals should be in prison for the public’s safety. Non violent ones however you can be more ‘creative’ with the punishment.I can agree that first time offences and otherwise short sentences shouldn’t be prison. But I do think there’s value in taking people off the streets. I just wish prison wasn’t better at reform and less a networking club for criminals.
Watch England vs USA on loop?I think violent criminals should be in prison for the public’s safety. Non violent ones however you can be more ‘creative’ with the punishment.
No. England v Scotland from last year.Watch England vs USA on loop?
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Takes investment and a desire and yep absolutely taking people off the streets is absolutely part of making things safer, especially for violent crime.I can agree that first time offences and otherwise short sentences shouldn’t be prison. But I do think there’s value in taking people off the streets. I just wish prison wasn’t better at reform and less a networking club for criminals.
Takes investment and a desire and yep absolutely taking people off the streets is absolutely part of making things safer, especially for violent crime.
ChainedIn?I think more time on reintegration after a long sentence too. Jobs housing and even new social networks.
You would cry as I did. Utterly set up to fail. Won’t name prison but long term (over 10 years) so you can imagine but at meeting yesterday probation discussing where they were going to move to and there are no hostel places available in the East Midlands!!! I know they’ve seriously messed up but they shouldn’t be released from this category of prison as there’s no support for their reintegration and then nowhere for them to go where they can be monitored and potentially supported. Utterly despairing and I would say pretty dangerous tooI think more time on reintegration after a long sentence too. Jobs housing and even new social networks.
I was thinking more LockedInChainedIn?
AwfulAnother one
Eleanor Williams: Woman who made Asian grooming gang claims found guilty of perverting course of justice
Victims told the court how Eleanor Williams had put them through hell and ruined their lives after falsely claiming she had been trafficked and beaten. The 22-year-old will be sentenced in March.news.sky.com
Let's hope she gets sent down for a while.
Not really, the same as it doesn't mean rape doesn't exist.Another problem is it that this kind of thing gives the grooming gang apologists a chance to flex their muscles as well.
Not really, the same as it doesn't mean rape doesn't exist.
Where are the grooming gang apologists? I've never ever heard of themAnother problem is it that this kind of thing gives the grooming gang apologists a chance to flex their muscles as well.
Where are the grooming gang apologists? I've never ever heard of them
Are they grooming gang apologists or public bodies covering their arses for not doing anything?Considering there was a whole nationwide scandal of cover ups, I am surprised you've never heard of them.
Are they grooming gang apologists or public bodies covering their arses for not doing anything?
They're two different sides of the same coin.
The authorities and your average social justice warrior would rather not tackle it, as it is uncomfortable. Stories like this will fuel that approach. The problem is, they also make it worse for other genuine victims in more than one way, as eventually it can make future prosecutions more difficult to achieve. Some of the countries in the world (Sweden in Europe for example), with the highest number of reported rapes, have the lowest conviction rates. The frequency of crying wolf is a massive factor in that.
Sweden is a bit of a false flag. They redefined rape to be pretty much any unwanted sexual contact and it rocketed the rates IIRC.
I’m not sure there’s anyone who doesn’t want rape tackled.
You are right that the definition of rape in Sweden has been a relevant point, but the problem is much wider than that. The country is notorious for false rape claims. I might have mentioned it before on here but my ex (who was Swedish) pulled that card (not on me thankfully). Socially they are a very strange bunch, especially when alcohol is involved. I know I am digressing a bit, but the point I was trying to make generally is that the more crying of wolf that goes on, the less the real victims get believed.
Don’t get me wrong. Same as DV it’s a nice easy hard to prove crime that someone vindictive can use to settle a score. But what is the alternative?
Such an impossible balance on both of these crimes that usually end up he said she said. Go too far one way (like we used to) and it’s a free pass to rape and beat women, go too far the other and it’s a free pass to ruin (usually) a guys life cos you’re pissed off at him.
I think the balance has to be unquestioning support for any claimed victim, but a higher legal bar and strong punishments for people making claims that don’t meet that bar and privacy for those accused.
I’ve recently had it where I found someone had made an allegation against me (not rape), I went to the police and said I want to clear my name and was told I can’t even be told if there’s an investigation because of privacy laws. Which seems mental. There’s definitely a balance that needs redressing. Equally, you can’t really do much about people making nonsense up to try and ruin your name.
Such a hard balance to strike and I honestly don’t know how you’d do it.
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