Huw edwards (4 Viewers)

[Nick]

Yep a very good point
And some have but mostly I just fuck up and hide the shame and self hatred

Pete. There's fucking up and that's paying for pictures of kids being sexually assaulted.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

His life isn't ruined. He can just carry on living as a millionaire in retirement.

You want people to be gracious to him? Really? I don't care where "he" is safer.

He hasn't made a little mistake. He's a paedo.

Ok I accept you don’t think his life is ruined
People who I know who’ve been in his position lives have been ruined prison or not
Not him we are safer
You’ve not made a huge fuck up in your life?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pete. There's fucking up and that's paying for pictures of kids being sexually assaulted.

Ok

 

[Nick]

Ok I accept you don’t think his life is ruined
People who I know who’ve been in his position lives have been ruined prison or not
Not him we are safer
You’ve not made a huge fuck up in your life?

Were they millionaires who didn't need to work?

Why are you trying to play this down as a "fuck up" like he's gone out and got pissed up and done something silly?

The bloke paid to watch a child be abused. Its not a "mistake". I don't get why you are trying to just play it down.

 

[Otis]

His life IS ruined. In this country at least.

If he has money of course, that won't stop him living abroad.

But here, he is going to be recognised everywhere he goes. Going to have to live in hiding if he stays.


Wonder how his family are with him now and whether he will be ostracized by them and friends.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Political leanings have got nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Can you prove any of it incorrect or are you just crying cos it says things you don’t like?

Are you seriously telling me the judge wasn't lenient? It's another double standard in the justice system, and a crooked legal representative defending a crooked legal system.

He's got so much wrong in the past, but because he aligns with you politically you'll jump up and down to defend him regardless. It's a bit pathetic, and actually worrying that you'll do so when we're talking about letting off a nonce.

 

[Marty]

His life IS ruined. In this country at least.

If he has money of course, that won't stop him living abroad.

But here, he is going to be recognised everywhere he goes. Going to have to live in hiding if he stays.


Wonder how his family are with him now and whether he will be ostracized by them and friends.

Poor noncey Edwards can't go for a drink down the pub. Poor thing.

 

[shmmeee]

Which is exactly it and you work with and socialise with them but you don’t know

Capacity really shouldn’t be a consideration. I can appreciate the theory about first time offenders being less likely to reoffend, but equally the gut feeling from pretty much everyone is that the punishment should be loss of liberty. It’s a tough one. So many sentences seem very low. Rapists and murderers of people I know have had sentences of around 4-5 years, which seems ludicrous for destroying someone’s life.

It does feel, all else being equal, that we’ve swung a little too far towards the data and away from the gut feel of justice and it’s that that gives the system its legitimacy at the end of the day.

 

[Otis]

I think most of us are shocked by the sentence. I am also, by the 7 year thing. Surely it should be for life

 

[shmmeee]

Are you seriously telling me the judge wasn't lenient? It's another double standard in the justice system, and a crooked legal representative defending a crooked legal system.

He's got so much wrong in the past, but because he aligns with you politically you'll jump up and down to defend him regardless. It's a bit pathetic, and actually worrying that you'll do so when we're talking about letting off a nonce.

Some of us are. Some of us are ranting about the political chip on their shoulder.

The point is this isn’t an abnormal sentence for this type of crime. Whether the sentencing guidelines are wrong is another question and one pretty much everyone in this thread probably agrees on.

 

[Otis]

Poor noncey Edwards can't go for a drink down the pub. Poor thing.

I don't think anyone has a single ounce of sympathy for him.

We can't just assume he is "free to live his life" though. In the UK, that's all gone.

He's certainly not free.

There is no poor thing from me. I find the whole thing horrific and sick

 

[Ian1779]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Capacity really shouldn’t be a consideration. I can appreciate the theory about first time offenders being less likely to reoffend, but equally the gut feeling from pretty much everyone is that the punishment should be loss of liberty. It’s a tough one. So many sentences seem very low. Rapists and murderers of people I know have had sentences of around 4-5 years, which seems ludicrous for destroying someone’s life.

It does feel, all else being equal, that we’ve swung a little too far towards the data and away from the gut feel of justice and it’s that that gives the system its legitimacy at the end of the day.

It’s got to be part of it though
And @Nick it’s horrific you can’t downplay what he’s done and im not trying to at all
What’s the worst thing you’ve ever done

 

[Nick]

It’s got to be part of it though
And @Nick it’s horrific you can’t downplay what he’s done and im not trying to at all
What’s the worst thing you’ve ever done

Nothing anywhere near that.

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you seriously telling me the judge wasn't lenient? It's another double standard in the justice system, and a crooked legal representative defending a crooked legal system.

He's got so much wrong in the past, but because he aligns with you politically you'll jump up and down to defend him regardless. It's a bit pathetic, and actually worrying that you'll do so when we're talking about letting off a nonce.

What? I’ve said he should have got a custodial sentence.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

What? I’ve said he should have got a custodial sentence.

Same. I am at a loss to understand what the secret barrister has to do with anything, especially when stating fact as opposed to opinion.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nothing anywhere near that.

Ok
Emetophobia I think it is
Most people have something they’re utterly ashamed of

 

[Nick]

Ok
Emetophobia I think it is
Most people have something they’re utterly ashamed of

What's that got to do with the bloke paying to watch a child be abused?

Such a weird take.

 

[Sick Boy]

Ok
Emetophobia I think it is
Most people have something they’re utterly ashamed of

Come on, most people aren’t downloading images of child porn. It’s not even comparable.

 

[rob9872]

Tbf this is no different to those comparing with the rioters. It's a different flavour, but not similar crimes or similar characters. I'm also not suggesting either or both are wrong ir right, just odd to make comparisons on different crimes.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

What's galling as well is the pay rise he received while he was suspended and he will I'm sure have a nice fat BBC pension to fall back on

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What's that got to do with the bloke paying to watch a child be abused?

Such a weird take.

So long as we keep our imperfections hidden no one can judge us for them
It’s not such a weird take
If it makes you feel better though that’s all good
I must be alright I’ve not paid for child abuse pictures
My point which wasn’t where it started is let’s focus on living our best lives not bemoaning some sad fucker destroying his life and whether he and everyone else guilty of similar stuff should be castrated
Huw Edwards is less dangerous to society getting this sentence than being out in prison that’s the main argument backed up by evidence

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Come on, most people aren’t downloading images of child porn. It’s not even comparable.

No it’s about 2-3%’of the male popluation so probably 8 or 9 on here

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What's galling as well is the pay rise he received while he was suspended and he will I'm sure have a nice fat BBC pension to fall back on

Galling he was paid after being arrested too
He’s got to return that surely

 

[rob9872]

No it’s about 2-3%’of the male popluation so probably 8 or 9 on here

I'd disagree. It could be higher, it could be lower, but we're a biased group of mostly men of a certain age who support a football team and post on a forum about it. % are usually, even if accurate, of a random selection. I'd like to think our common interest made that figure lower, but no science to back it up, only that it's skewed in bias.

 

[Nick]

So long as we keep our imperfections hidden no one can judge us for them
It’s not such a weird take
If it makes you feel better though that’s all good
I must be alright I’ve not paid for child abuse pictures
My point which wasn’t where it started is let’s focus on living our best lives not bemoaning some sad fucker destroying his life and whether he and everyone else guilty of similar stuff should be castrated
Huw Edwards is less dangerous to society getting this sentence than being out in prison that’s the main argument backed up by evidence

Why are you sympathising?

"Some sad fucker destroying his life"

The man is a millionaire, his life isn't destroyed. He will just live a quiet retirement.

Lots of people have imperfections, lots make stupid mistakes.

Its miles away from his crime.

While you're making it all about him and how his life is ruined (it's not). What about the victims in the videos he was paying for?

 

[San Francisco]

So long as we keep our imperfections hidden no one can judge us for them
It’s not such a weird take
If it makes you feel better though that’s all good
I must be alright I’ve not paid for child abuse pictures
My point which wasn’t where it started is let’s focus on living our best lives not bemoaning some sad fucker destroying his life and whether he and everyone else guilty of similar stuff should be castrated
Huw Edwards is less dangerous to society getting this sentence than being out in prison that’s the main argument backed up by evidence

You’re a strange man.

 

[Otis]

The thing I don't get, is that there is a whole world away, surely, from looking at pictures of young children naked, to that of looking at pictures of young children, being sexually abused and raped.

That's a whole new level of shit isn't it.

 

[Ian1779]

Tbf this is no different to those comparing with the rioters. It's a different flavour, but not similar crimes or similar characters. I'm also not suggesting either or both are wrong ir right, just odd to make comparisons on different crimes.

I’m not comparing the crimes to be fair, what I’m suggesting is that somewhere in the process whether it is the guidance issued, or the choices of judges/magistrates but it would appear that sitting in a front of some cars on a dual carriageway is a more heinous crime than buying and viewing child pornography.

 

[shmmeee]

I’m not comparing the crimes to be fair, what I’m suggesting is that somewhere in the process whether it is the guidance issued, or the choices of judges/magistrates but it would appear that sitting in a front of some cars on a dual carriageway is a more heinous crime than buying and viewing child pornography.

Or that in those cases a custodial sentence was judged to be more/less effective than in others.

Sentencing isn’t just a list of crimes in order of how much we hate them.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The thing I don't get, is that there is a whole world away, surely, from looking at pictures of young children naked, to that of looking at pictures of young children, being sexually abused and raped.

That's a whole new level of shit isn't it.

It’s a matter of steps Otis it really is if you look at any offending behaviour or seek to understand a little of how it works
Some and maybe most are made differently others get sucked in to behaviour that is so far beyond who and what they are you’d be staggered

 

[Ian1779]

Or that in those cases a custodial sentence was judged to be more/less effective than in others.

Sentencing isn’t just a list of crimes in order of how much we hate them.

So jailing a Just Stop Oil protestor is more effective a sanction than not jailing a sex offender?

Make it make sense

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why are you sympathising?

"Some sad fucker destroying his life"

The man is a millionaire, his life isn't destroyed. He will just live a quiet retirement.

Lots of people have imperfections, lots make stupid mistakes.

Its miles away from his crime.

While you're making it all about him and how his life is ruined (it's not). What about the victims in the videos he was paying for?

Making it all about him!
I just said to you and others he’s not got away with it scott free
If you aren’t willing to listen to evidence well I don’t know what to say.
People that get into this stuff don’t wake up one morning and decide they’ll commit criminal shit and if we can learn to recognise the signs we may be able to make society safer rather than pretend it won’t happen to us or our family or friends

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So jailing a Just Stop Oil protestor is more effective a sanction than not jailing a sex offender?

Make it make sense

You can’t make it make sense
Our legal system is built on hundreds of years of past case law not necessarily on degrees of right and wrong and certainly now has become biased in favour of only getting a proper justice if you can afford to pay

 

[shmmeee]

So jailing a Just Stop Oil protestor is more effective a sanction than not jailing a sex offender?

Make it make sense

I am not the judge in either case but I assume that firstly JSO have been very clear that they won’t stop is a big reason they got locked away.