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Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

Nick said:
No but they would end up with more than the lurgy. That's my point.

My daughter was threatened to be harmed when she was a child by somebody inside for it, I certainly wouldn't be giving them a cuddle or trying to understand them.

It's a good job you can't catch it, it seems like you can certainly sympathise with their offending behaviour which is frankly, disgusting.

That’s so strange that you can take from my conversation on here that I sympathise with their offending behaviour
It’s abhorrent and indefensible
However understanding how people end up doing it and using trained experts to stop them repeating or getting involved in the first place motivates the hell out of me given the damage I and it appears many others have seen

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Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

Nick said:
My point is how he is completely different to somebody living on one of our streets who will have lost his job and ability to work ever again.

The bloke is a millionaire and will just live in his massive house for his retirement, probably looking at the same sort of stuff online.

Well he’s a bloody idiot if he does and the evidence suggests that he won’t but we are emotive creatures and that doesn’t come into it it appears

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s so strange that you can take from my conversation on here that I sympathise with their offending behaviour
It’s abhorrent and indefensible
However understanding how people end up doing it and using trained experts to stop them repeating or getting involved in the first place motivates the hell out of me given the damage I and it appears many others have seen

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So you believe paedophiles can be rehabilitated ?

Nick · Sep 17, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Well he’s a bloody idiot if he does and the evidence suggests that he won’t but we are emotive creatures and that doesn’t come into it it appears

Even the wording is sympathetic.

"Huw's been watching kids get abused again, the silly sod"

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

Evo1883 said:
So you believe paedophiles can be rehabilitated ?

Without doubt
But and I think more importantly as a society we do not lock people up for ever for crimes they commit of this nature
At the prison I volunteer at there are soon to be 1190 persons all of which bar a handful of them will be released at some point in the future
This means we can either do something to ensure they pose less and of course the aim is no risk or we can say fuck it it’s too hard we can’t afford to work with them and they don’t deserve it anyway and then see them reoffend and imprison them again

Proven reoffending statistics: January to March 2022

www.gov.uk

So for adult the reoffending rate is 13.1% with a number of factors to be taken into account one being number of previous offences. This is about half the rate of other crimes as a total 25% with theft being 51%. These are 2022 stats

Obviously some will do stuff and not get caught

I’m currently trying to get a measure in place with moj for reoffending rates based on where someone was imprisoned. It can’t be beyond the whit of data science and if you don’t measure something you don’t do all you can to improve it

so 86.9% of persons convicted of a sexual offence don’t reoffend. Rehabilitated? Not caught? You decide we don’t have those stats. Lucy faithful will tell you that you can manage your behaviour. The work they do is magnificent

Proven reoffending statistics: January to March 2022

www.gov.uk

Stats are for the first 18 months out of prison

This is interesting to

Chapter 5: Adult Sex Offender Recidivism

smart.ojp.gov

So 95% don’t reoffend within 3 years and 75% within 15 years

So the majority can be rehabilitated yes

Grendel · Sep 17, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Well he’s a bloody idiot if he does and the evidence suggests that he won’t but we are emotive creatures and that doesn’t come into it it appears

The person I know did exactly the same again - well he was banned from accessing a laptop - used his wifes and cleared the search history - he went to jail then

Ring Of Steel · Sep 17, 2024

Evo1883 said:
So you believe paedophiles can be rehabilitated ?

The evidence shows that they can’t ever be rehabilitated to stop feeling whatever urges they feel, but that with a hell of a lot of work they can be.. ‘trained’ if you like to resist the urges, in a similar way to how an alcoholic can be trained to avoid giving in to the urges.

But also like an alcoholic or an addict, if that’s in you then that’s in you forever, and it’s a lifetime of work, support & hard rules in place to stay away from acting on what they feel.

I would suggest that this type of addiction or compulsion is a lot more devastating to the people they interact with than the alcohol/ addiction type.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

Grendel said:
The person I know did exactly the same again - well he was banned from accessing a laptop - used his wifes and cleared the search history - he went to jail then

Good

Otis · Sep 17, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Good

Why you saying "good?"

I don't think his wife will have been best pleased.

I bet she had to take it to PC World/Curry's to get it all properly cleaned

Grendel · Sep 17, 2024

Nick said:
My point is how he is completely different to somebody living on one of our streets who will have lost his job and ability to work ever again.

The bloke is a millionaire and will just live in his massive house for his retirement, probably looking at the same sort of stuff online.

He also will get a gold plated BBC pension worth £300k a year

Grendel · Sep 17, 2024

Otis said:
Why you saying "good?"

I don't think his wife will have been best pleased.

I bet she had to take it to PC World/Curry's to get it all properly cleaned

His wife always stood by him

rob9872 · Sep 17, 2024

I don't believe they can be rehabilitated, but in some cases do their tastes not change? When I was 18, the thought of fancying a woman in her 40s or 50s I thought was wrong, now I'm 52 I can see beauty in lots of them. They're clearly not right in the head, but just wondered if some could grow out of it.

Alkhen · Sep 17, 2024

It destroys families, friend of mines husband got done a few years ago.

It's the cliche 'you'd never have suspected him' big, jovial blokey bloke worked in a garage.

They had two kids together dunno how you ever come to terms with that situation. He was caught accessing images.

He claims his gateway into it was a culture at his work place of blokes sharing increasingly extreme internet stuff, grisly stuff like jihad killings and really extreme porn, dark stuff, he told her he was just constantly chasing that illicit next more extreme thrill, and it ended up down that route.

Bleak and no excuse obviously but a bit of a warning, I guess to anyone who seeks dark stuff out.

She has totally cut him out of her life and he has relocated somewhere.

rob9872 · Sep 17, 2024

A bit like Greggs fekking Owls?

Otis · Sep 17, 2024

Grendel said:
His wife always stood by him

Really? I wonder how many do.

We had this very conversation this morning, my missus and I, and we both agreed, if this ever happened with either of us, that would be the end.

I just don't know how you can carry on.

We were also thinking this morning, how Huw Edwards' kids must feel about their dad now

Not sure I would even have the stomach to face him if it were me

chiefdave · Sep 17, 2024

rob9872 said:
I don't believe they can be rehabilitated, but in some cases do their tastes not change? When I was 18, the thought of fancying a woman in her 40s or 50s I thought was wrong, now I'm 52 I can see beauty in lots of them. They're clearly not right in the head, but just wondered if some could grow out of it.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

Otis said:
Really? I wonder how many do.

We had this very conversation this morning, my missus and I, and we both agreed, if this ever happened with either of us, that would be the end.

I just don't know how you can carry on.

We were also thinking this morning, how Huw Edwards' kids must feel about their dad now

Not sure I would even have the stomach to face him if it were me

My dad was an alcoholic and physically and emotionally quite abusive. Since becoming a dad I understand a little more of what he struggled with and I made peace with my childhood and with him. He didn’t deserve it but I didn’t want it hanging over me. It still does a bit in terms of self confidence and anxiety but it was right for me to make peace

chiefdave · Sep 17, 2024

Seems the issue here is how do you balance punishment and rehabilitation. Some people have suggested the death penalty for all cases but I think we can pretty much dismiss the chance of that becoming a reality.

So if we're then saying we want to lock everyone up, and for a considerable period of time or potentially for life if we're saying rehabilitation is impossible and therefore they are a danger to the public, it becomes an issue of practicality. With the number of people that some posts have suggested you'd be talking about a huge increase in the prison population so you'd need an unprecedented prison building program, which obviously can't happen overnight.

And that's before you think about how you fund that building program, how you fund locking up tens of thousands of people indefinitely, where you get the staff for these prisons from and probably all sorts of other practical considerations.

Not sure there's an easy answer. I do think we need to go after the tech companies a lot harder. Post a song with copyright or a Premier League clip and its taken down in minutes. If they can do that why can't they be as effective with other types of content?

Sick Boy · Sep 17, 2024

chiefdave said:
Seems the issue here is how do you balance punishment and rehabilitation. Some people have suggested the death penalty for all cases but I think we can pretty much dismiss the chance of that becoming a reality.

So if we're then saying we want to lock everyone up, and for a considerable period of time or potentially for life if we're saying rehabilitation is impossible and therefore they are a danger to the public, it becomes an issue of practicality. With the number of people that some posts have suggested you'd be talking about a huge increase in the prison population so you'd need an unprecedented prison building program, which obviously can't happen overnight.

And that's before you think about how you fund that building program, how you fund locking up tens of thousands of people indefinitely, where you get the staff for these prisons from and probably all sorts of other practical considerations.

Not sure there's an easy answer. I do think we need to go after the tech companies a lot harder. Post a song with copyright or a Premier League clip and its taken down in minutes. If they can do that why can't they be as effective with other types of content?

Id imagine because a lot of it is on the dark web.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2024

Otis said:
Really? I wonder how many do.

We had this very conversation this morning, my missus and I, and we both agreed, if this ever happened with either of us, that would be the end.

I just don't know how you can carry on.

We were also thinking this morning, how Huw Edwards' kids must feel about their dad now

Not sure I would even have the stomach to face him if it were me

Meet Peter - he loved doing magic acts and childrens parties

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Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

chiefdave said:
Seems the issue here is how do you balance punishment and rehabilitation. Some people have suggested the death penalty for all cases but I think we can pretty much dismiss the chance of that becoming a reality.

So if we're then saying we want to lock everyone up, and for a considerable period of time or potentially for life if we're saying rehabilitation is impossible and therefore they are a danger to the public, it becomes an issue of practicality. With the number of people that some posts have suggested you'd be talking about a huge increase in the prison population so you'd need an unprecedented prison building program, which obviously can't happen overnight.

And that's before you think about how you fund that building program, how you fund locking up tens of thousands of people indefinitely, where you get the staff for these prisons from and probably all sorts of other practical considerations.

Not sure there's an easy answer. I do think we need to go after the tech companies a lot harder. Post a song with copyright or a Premier League clip and its taken down in minutes. If they can do that why can't they be as effective with other types of content?

Yep I think that’s absolutely correct

if a woman can go to prison for posting that we should set fire to something even though she’s not done any of the actions herself then surely what’s app are criminally responsible for criminal activity that they enable

Such an interesting area dark web or private communication channels which can be used for good but also for harm

Suppose same with the internet

shmmeee · Sep 17, 2024

chiefdave said:
Seems the issue here is how do you balance punishment and rehabilitation. Some people have suggested the death penalty for all cases but I think we can pretty much dismiss the chance of that becoming a reality.

So if we're then saying we want to lock everyone up, and for a considerable period of time or potentially for life if we're saying rehabilitation is impossible and therefore they are a danger to the public, it becomes an issue of practicality. With the number of people that some posts have suggested you'd be talking about a huge increase in the prison population so you'd need an unprecedented prison building program, which obviously can't happen overnight.

And that's before you think about how you fund that building program, how you fund locking up tens of thousands of people indefinitely, where you get the staff for these prisons from and probably all sorts of other practical considerations.

Not sure there's an easy answer. I do think we need to go after the tech companies a lot harder. Post a song with copyright or a Premier League clip and its taken down in minutes. If they can do that why can't they be as effective with other types of content?

Yes we’ve really stopped pirated commercial content

The problem with “the tech companies” is who do you go after? Most of this stuff is shared peer to peer or on small private forums like this one (well not like this one but you know what I mean) and when companies like Apple developed ways to scan stuff backed up to the cloud privacy groups came down on them like a ton of bricks until it was canned:

Apple’s Decision to Kill Its CSAM Photo-Scanning Tool Sparks Fresh Controversy

Child safety group Heat Initiative plans to launch a campaign pressing Apple on child sexual abuse material scanning and user reporting. The company issued a rare, detailed response on Thursday.

www.wired.com

chiefdave · Sep 17, 2024

shmmeee said:
Yes we’ve really stopped pirated commercial content

The problem with “the tech companies” is who do you go after? Most of this stuff is shared peer to peer or on small private forums like this one (well not like this one but you know what I mean) and when companies like Apple developed ways to scan stuff backed up to the cloud privacy groups came down on them like a ton of bricks until it was canned:

Apple’s Decision to Kill Its CSAM Photo-Scanning Tool Sparks Fresh Controversy

Child safety group Heat Initiative plans to launch a campaign pressing Apple on child sexual abuse material scanning and user reporting. The company issued a rare, detailed response on Thursday.

www.wired.com

Obviously you're not going to be able to completely stop pirated content but you can make it as hard as possible for people to access. Seems that things only get done when rights holders push hard for it and threaten legal action and there's no rights holder to do that with the horrific content we're talking about here.

shmmeee · Sep 17, 2024

chiefdave said:
Obviously you're not going to be able to completely stop pirated content but you can make it as hard as possible for people to access. Seems that things only get done when rights holders push hard for it and threaten legal action and there's no rights holder to do that with the horrific content we're talking about here.

No but there’s an international database of image hashes so any system can spot an unedited known abuse image.

Scan for CSAM with Hashing and Matching Technology | Safer.io

Detect known CSAM using hashing and matching, sometimes referred to as CSAM scanning. Learn how it works.

safer.io

This is the exact same tech they use for copyright infringement, and like copyright infringement it works very well if you upload an unedited copy of known content to a well regulated site (FB/Google/X), but it’s trivial to overcome with a small amount of editing and avoiding big tech companies.

Otis · Sep 17, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
My dad was an alcoholic and physically and emotionally quite abusive. Since becoming a dad I understand a little more of what he struggled with and I made peace with my childhood and with him. He didn’t deserve it but I didn’t want it hanging over me. It still does a bit in terms of self confidence and anxiety but it was right for me to make peace

Yeah, fair play. Must have been a hard thing to do.

It's a bit different to finding out you have a dad who has been watching/looking at pictures, of a young child being anally raped, though

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

Otis said:
Yeah, fair play. Must have been a hard thing to do.

It's a bit different to finding out you have a dad who has been watching/looking at pictures, of a young child being anally raped, though

Especially when kids can’t stand their mum and dad kissing
The Lucy faithful foundation works with families too as one of the most likely indicators in avoiding reoffending

Houchens Head · Sep 17, 2024

Just going on from the questions about how kids of the accused are affected. As most of you know, I'm in my 72nd year, but it was only this year (2024), that I found out the true reason as to why I was brought up in care for the whole of my childhood - from a few months old until I was 15.
In January this year, I applied for and was granted access to my childhood records from the Coventry Social Services from the early '50s onwards, and now regret that I did. They had to extend the time for which they needed to put it all together, because of the "extreme diversity of the content." They have to return your records within one month of applying, or they have to apply for an extension of time. In my case, it took three months for them to complete their searches.
Stuff that I read came as a huge shock to me. Things which I never knew about. I don't wish to say what these things were, but it was enough to keep these "family secrets" from me, by my whole family and Social Services. I was the youngest of 7 siblings and I guess they all thought that I needn't know about my dysfunctional parents.
Thankfully, my childhood upbringing in children's homes has made me a better adult, but it was mainly due to one children's home in particular, where I was from aged 11 - 15. Also my deputy headmaster at school was a great support.
Sorry for long post but as a sort of 'victim', I felt that I wanted to get things off my chest. Only my wife has read my records. She was a legal secretary for 32 years and volunteered for the Youth Justice team in Cov, so she wasn't shocked at what she read. She was very understanding and sympathetic.
I guess what I'm trying to put across is, that kids DO get affected by the parents actions, no matter when they eventually find out about them.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

Houchens Head said:
Just going on from the questions about how kids of the accused are affected. As most of you know, I'm in my 72nd year, but it was only this year (2024), that I found out the true reason as to why I was brought up in care for the whole of my childhood - from a few months old until I was 15.
In January this year, I applied for and was granted access to my childhood records from the Coventry Social Services from the early '50s onwards, and now regret that I did. They had to extend the time for which they needed to put it all together, because of the "extreme diversity of the content." They have to return your records within one month of applying, or they have to apply for an extension of time. In my case, it took three months for them to complete their searches.
Stuff that I read came as a huge shock to me. Things which I never knew about. I don't wish to say what these things were, but it was enough to keep these "family secrets" from me, by my whole family and Social Services. I was the youngest of 7 siblings and I guess they all thought that I needn't know about my dysfunctional parents.
Thankfully, my childhood upbringing in children's homes has made me a better adult, but it was mainly due to one children's home in particular, where I was from aged 11 - 15. Also my deputy headmaster at school was a great support.
Sorry for long post but as a sort of 'victim', I felt that I wanted to get things off my chest. Only my wife has read my records. She was a legal secretary for 32 years and volunteered for the Youth Justice team in Cov, so she wasn't shocked at what she read. She was very understanding and sympathetic.
I guess what I'm trying to put across is, that kids DO get affected by the parents actions, no matter when they eventually find out about them.

Your book made for a hard read but your story has to be heard
Proud of you

Houchens Head · Sep 17, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Your book made for a hard read but your story has to be heard
Proud of you

Thank you Pete. I wrote my book before I found out so much. Not sure if I want to write a revised edition. Too much hurt.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 17, 2024

Houchens Head said:
Thank you Pete. I wrote my book before I found out so much. Not sure if I want to write a revised edition. Too much hurt.

I’m sure
You’ve lived a good life nice epitaph that
Not for a while though I hope not till we’ve won in Europe

GIMOC · Sep 18, 2024

just leave that here

shmmeee · Sep 18, 2024

GIMOC said:
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just leave that here

Pathetic smear. Using crimes like this for cheap political points says more about your than anyone else. FFS

Gynnsthetonic · Sep 18, 2024

Otis said:
Why you saying "good?"

I don't think his wife will have been best pleased.

I bet she had to take it to PC World/Curry's to get it all properly cleaned

Or a good few squares of kitchen roll maybe?

Otis · Sep 18, 2024

Houchens Head said:
Just going on from the questions about how kids of the accused are affected. As most of you know, I'm in my 72nd year, but it was only this year (2024), that I found out the true reason as to why I was brought up in care for the whole of my childhood - from a few months old until I was 15.
In January this year, I applied for and was granted access to my childhood records from the Coventry Social Services from the early '50s onwards, and now regret that I did. They had to extend the time for which they needed to put it all together, because of the "extreme diversity of the content." They have to return your records within one month of applying, or they have to apply for an extension of time. In my case, it took three months for them to complete their searches.
Stuff that I read came as a huge shock to me. Things which I never knew about. I don't wish to say what these things were, but it was enough to keep these "family secrets" from me, by my whole family and Social Services. I was the youngest of 7 siblings and I guess they all thought that I needn't know about my dysfunctional parents.
Thankfully, my childhood upbringing in children's homes has made me a better adult, but it was mainly due to one children's home in particular, where I was from aged 11 - 15. Also my deputy headmaster at school was a great support.
Sorry for long post but as a sort of 'victim', I felt that I wanted to get things off my chest. Only my wife has read my records. She was a legal secretary for 32 years and volunteered for the Youth Justice team in Cov, so she wasn't shocked at what she read. She was very understanding and sympathetic.
I guess what I'm trying to put across is, that kids DO get affected by the parents actions, no matter when they eventually find out about them.

Thanks for sharing, Houch. Glad you managed to come out the other side and made a decent, happy life for yourself.

GIMOC · Sep 18, 2024

shmmeee said:
Pathetic smear. Using crimes like this for cheap political points says more about your than anyone else. FFS

crimes like this? so we can’t discuss how wrong that pedos don’t get jail time

fuck me. starmer clearly felt it wasn’t necessary for pedos to be jailed. yet happy to jail someone for a Facebook post

wonder who is more of a threat to society. Nasty person behind a keyboard or a bloke wanting to see sexual images of a child

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