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This is a personal opinion and a lot of people will disagree, but...
His preferred formation is 4-3-3, with which he generally tries to get the team to play fluid passing football. We often dominate possession and play very pretty stuff in the centre of the park, but until this season we've not always created huge numbers of clear cut chances, so whether you call it attacking football is debatable, especially since he seems to be of the opinion that a 2 goal lead should always be enough. He's previously appeared tactically inflexible, but this season has shown a bit more experimentation with 4-4-2 as well.
Defensively he seems to be very good at getting the best out of our players, but with strikers... not so much. We haven't had a 20 goal a season striker since getting promoted despite a lot of personnel coming in, for example, and our top scorer last season had 11 goals. That seems to be his main flaw as a manager, whether it's to do with signing players or lack of coaching in the final third of the pitch.
Personally I think he's a good manager but there are probably better available. However, his speciality seems to be working on a shoestring budget, so in that sense he might well be a very good appointment. I don't think he'll join you, but if he does he's probably a good bet to stabilise the boat. He just won't work miracles and make you play like a league 1 Barcelona.
As I say others will disagree with my opinion, but I think he's a solid and likeable manager who'd do a good job for you at least in the short term.
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Re: Coventry fan in peace
« Reply #5 Today at 10:51am »
Today at 10:34am, skybluec wrote:
Hi guys..nice forum and very bright lol.
I'm just here regarding a lot of speculation in your manager Chris wilder,an unknown quantity here in Coventry and with a lot of fans calling for Dennis wise his name seems to be seperating fans in their views..
I am here today to ask about the guy ,at 44 years old has over 500 games under his belt winning over 200. Does he play attacking football? What formation? Is he tactically gifted? Do you think he can take Coventry city forward? Does he get the best out of his players?.
Thankyou and have a good season.
No easy answer to your question.
1. If I were you, I'd far prefer him to Dennis Wise. Wilder is a proper manager: he's learned his trade at the sharp end, and has made plenty of mistakes and learned from many of them.
2. He can organise a defence, no doubt about that. And not a clogging defence, but a ball-playing defence which can start the team off on a solid platform.
3. He operates uncomplainingly within a budget, and knows how to work with senior management constructively.
4. He is respected and liked within the game - including at some big clubs - which means that he can attract some top-level young loannees from the likes of West Ham, Arsenal, Man U etc.
But...
1. Though indications this season are that he may have learned, he has been tactically inflexible, regularly being out-witted by canny lower league bosses who gradually worked out how to stop us play.
2. He struggled to get, and keep, the players fit... to the point where our chairman had to force a new fitness regime on him.
3. He doesn't appear to have a very clear view as to how a team will maximise its goal-scoring potential. In particular, he tends not to understand how to play to a given striker's strengths.
4. His man-management has been patchy. If a player doesn't 'yes boss' it, they tend to get shipped out quite quickly, even if they have ability.
5. He has had a negative impact on our YTS, refusing to give young players chances, on the basis that he'd rather use someone who he can "trust" to "put in a solid shift".
Conclusion: you could (genuinely) do a whole lot worse. He's learned a helluva lot at OUFC, and is now a convincing lower league manager. Further to that, his teams play proper football: mostly on the ground and quite free-flowing at times. Basically, it's highly unlikely that he'll bugger things up big time. Equally, if you're looking for a Messiah-style figure who waves a magic wand and spirits you straight back into the Championship, he may not be the obvious figure.
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Re: Coventry fan in peace
« Reply #6 Today at 10:51am »
Wilder came here and stabilised a club on the verge of administration. He was rigid with his formations until the latter part of last season and this, we now switch between 4-3-3 (his fave tactic) and 4-4-2 and 4-1-4-1. He is getting better at that.
He built a side from nothing, shipping out the dross quickly when required and built a side full of saleable assets, Clarke, Wright, Batt, Leven, Craddock, Potter and Constable. He may not reap that significant achievement.
We do play lovely passing and attractive football but he has never really found a striking solution other than Constable and Craddock when fit. However, as you have Cody McDonald the man Wilder really wanted, I doubt that'll be an issue.
He builds sides that defend and don't concede many (please excuse York and Leeds) see our stats from this season and last. We started this season in great form, trying to waltz and walk the ball into the net.
Yes he could take Coventry forward. Will SiSu give him the time or will the fans be on his back by Christmas - I think that's your problem.
His preferred formation is 4-3-3, with which he generally tries to get the team to play fluid passing football. We often dominate possession and play very pretty stuff in the centre of the park, but until this season we've not always created huge numbers of clear cut chances, so whether you call it attacking football is debatable, especially since he seems to be of the opinion that a 2 goal lead should always be enough. He's previously appeared tactically inflexible, but this season has shown a bit more experimentation with 4-4-2 as well.
Defensively he seems to be very good at getting the best out of our players, but with strikers... not so much. We haven't had a 20 goal a season striker since getting promoted despite a lot of personnel coming in, for example, and our top scorer last season had 11 goals. That seems to be his main flaw as a manager, whether it's to do with signing players or lack of coaching in the final third of the pitch.
Personally I think he's a good manager but there are probably better available. However, his speciality seems to be working on a shoestring budget, so in that sense he might well be a very good appointment. I don't think he'll join you, but if he does he's probably a good bet to stabilise the boat. He just won't work miracles and make you play like a league 1 Barcelona.
As I say others will disagree with my opinion, but I think he's a solid and likeable manager who'd do a good job for you at least in the short term.
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Re: Coventry fan in peace
« Reply #5 Today at 10:51am »
Today at 10:34am, skybluec wrote:
Hi guys..nice forum and very bright lol.
I'm just here regarding a lot of speculation in your manager Chris wilder,an unknown quantity here in Coventry and with a lot of fans calling for Dennis wise his name seems to be seperating fans in their views..
I am here today to ask about the guy ,at 44 years old has over 500 games under his belt winning over 200. Does he play attacking football? What formation? Is he tactically gifted? Do you think he can take Coventry city forward? Does he get the best out of his players?.
Thankyou and have a good season.
No easy answer to your question.
1. If I were you, I'd far prefer him to Dennis Wise. Wilder is a proper manager: he's learned his trade at the sharp end, and has made plenty of mistakes and learned from many of them.
2. He can organise a defence, no doubt about that. And not a clogging defence, but a ball-playing defence which can start the team off on a solid platform.
3. He operates uncomplainingly within a budget, and knows how to work with senior management constructively.
4. He is respected and liked within the game - including at some big clubs - which means that he can attract some top-level young loannees from the likes of West Ham, Arsenal, Man U etc.
But...
1. Though indications this season are that he may have learned, he has been tactically inflexible, regularly being out-witted by canny lower league bosses who gradually worked out how to stop us play.
2. He struggled to get, and keep, the players fit... to the point where our chairman had to force a new fitness regime on him.
3. He doesn't appear to have a very clear view as to how a team will maximise its goal-scoring potential. In particular, he tends not to understand how to play to a given striker's strengths.
4. His man-management has been patchy. If a player doesn't 'yes boss' it, they tend to get shipped out quite quickly, even if they have ability.
5. He has had a negative impact on our YTS, refusing to give young players chances, on the basis that he'd rather use someone who he can "trust" to "put in a solid shift".
Conclusion: you could (genuinely) do a whole lot worse. He's learned a helluva lot at OUFC, and is now a convincing lower league manager. Further to that, his teams play proper football: mostly on the ground and quite free-flowing at times. Basically, it's highly unlikely that he'll bugger things up big time. Equally, if you're looking for a Messiah-style figure who waves a magic wand and spirits you straight back into the Championship, he may not be the obvious figure.
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Re: Coventry fan in peace
« Reply #6 Today at 10:51am »
Wilder came here and stabilised a club on the verge of administration. He was rigid with his formations until the latter part of last season and this, we now switch between 4-3-3 (his fave tactic) and 4-4-2 and 4-1-4-1. He is getting better at that.
He built a side from nothing, shipping out the dross quickly when required and built a side full of saleable assets, Clarke, Wright, Batt, Leven, Craddock, Potter and Constable. He may not reap that significant achievement.
We do play lovely passing and attractive football but he has never really found a striking solution other than Constable and Craddock when fit. However, as you have Cody McDonald the man Wilder really wanted, I doubt that'll be an issue.
He builds sides that defend and don't concede many (please excuse York and Leeds) see our stats from this season and last. We started this season in great form, trying to waltz and walk the ball into the net.
Yes he could take Coventry forward. Will SiSu give him the time or will the fans be on his back by Christmas - I think that's your problem.
