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wingy · Feb 16, 2016

usskyblue said:
And I maintain that....given the reasons I've repeated.

Different players, different leagues, different styles, different formations, different technology ....and different decades.

Yes, and my point to you and others was to correct the assertion that Dennis Wise was matchfit, which was inaccurate, simply fit.
Joe Cole has alluded to poor advice and conditioning programmes have affected him.
Couple that with possible genetic factors between different sportsmen may explain part of the problem.
Personally I don't think advances over a decade are that huge, yet sure there will have been gains, I believe I read somewhere that Chelsea were performing a type of dialysis on players, cleaning players blood, now that is a development, whether a good one or not who knows.

usskyblue · Feb 16, 2016

wingy said:
Yes, and my point to you and others was to correct the assertion that Dennis Wise was matchfit, which was inaccurate, simply fit.
Joe Cole has eluded to poor advice and conditioning programmes have affected him.
Couple that with possible genetic factors between different sportsmen may explain part of the problem.
Personally I don't think advances over a decade are that huge, yet sure there will have been gains, I believe I read somewhere that Chelsea were performing a type of dialysis on players, cleaning players blood, now that is a development, whether a good one or not who knows.

My opinion, your opinion.

I've been witness to the advances in just the last 4 or 5 years here. I asked a friend who trained with Sheffield Utd this year and he said that they had 'the works' when it came to fitness technology.

Not sure why some are getting so bent out of shape about it to be honest.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 16, 2016

wingy said:
Yes, and my point to you and others was to correct the assertion that Dennis Wise was matchfit, which was inaccurate, simply fit.
Joe Cole has eluded to poor advice and conditioning programmes have affected him.
Couple that with possible genetic factors between different sportsmen may explain part of the problem.
Personally I don't think advances over a decade are that huge, yet sure there will have been gains, I believe I read somewhere that Chelsea were performing a type of dialysis on players, cleaning players blood, now that is a development, whether a good one or not who knows.

Of course Wise could have been helped by the fact by that stage we were in effect playing glorified pre-season friendlies. (as an aside, wonder if Adams regrets not insisting on speaking to West Brom when they came knocking)

Anyway, I'm of the school of thought that says Cole disrupted the balance of the side. Let's see if he makes that up.

skybluetony176 · Feb 16, 2016

Grendel said:
In League One are you sure?

Every man and their dog resembling a professional sports outfit uses this type of technology now, even some of the more professional non league outfits as well as the egg chucker's and even cricket.

We had to wait until we did the Stat Sports sponsorship deal a couple of years ago before we got on board so I would say yes, without a doubt.

Sick Boy · Feb 16, 2016

usskyblue said:
I bet I'm not the only one that can't take you seriously sometimes.

Resort to insults as you've been made to look a fool. Nice one pal.

BackRoomRummermill · Feb 16, 2016

Can anyone explain a reason why we brought Cole in ? Why ?

tomreagan84 · Feb 16, 2016

10 years ago at least one of these folk was named Alan.

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Sick Boy · Feb 16, 2016

tomreagan84 said:
10 years ago at least one of these folk was named Alan.

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....and brian

BackRoomRummermill · Feb 16, 2016

tomreagan84 said:
10 years ago at least one of these folk was named Alan

Is this reason Cole was brought in , ah that explains everything.

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torchomatic · Feb 16, 2016

usskyblue said:
I hazard a guess at yes. If they're doing it in the second tier in the US, it's reasonable to assume they're doing it in the third tier in England.

True. I was watching the Wycombe vs Villa match on BT Sport and all Wycombe players (and presumably those from Villa) were wearing GPS tracking devices and everything.

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tomreagan84 · Feb 16, 2016

Alan Cole? Am I being slow again?

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I clearly can't use tapatalk; that was a response to BackRoomRummermill.

chiefdave · Feb 16, 2016

Sick Boy said:
How did ProZone work then?

Wasn't that more for stats than monitoring fitness?

While I doubt the actual fitness work itself has changed a huge amount, after all there is a limit to how many new things you can come up with, the technology for tracking and monitoring has improved. You can get trackers that go in boots, our team where those vests that measure things (heart rate and the like I would guess).

The more data you have the more you can personalise the training.

Sick Boy · Feb 16, 2016

chiefdave said:
Wasn't that more for stats than monitoring fitness?

While I doubt the actual fitness work itself has changed a huge amount, after all there is a limit to how many new things you can come up with, the technology for tracking and monitoring has improved. You can get trackers that go in boots, our team where those vests that measure things (heart rate and the like I would guess).

The more data you have the more you can personalise the training.

Yes that is obvious.

The notion that you are unable to compare a player from 2016 to one in 2006 is laughable though

skybluetony176 · Feb 16, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Yes that is obvious.

The notion that you are unable to compare a player from 2016 to one in 2006 is laughable though

Yeah but you and dumber are the sort to sit,pointing and laughing at condensation running down the inside of a window on a damp day so the fact that you find it laughable doesn't really count for anything especially given your dismissive nature.

usskyblue · Feb 16, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Yes that is obvious.

The notion that you are unable to compare a player from 2016 to one in 2006 is laughable though

For the second time. Once for Grendel, now for you.

I said you can compare what ever you want. The media loves doing it. In my opinion, it's not valid, given all the criteria I've outlined.

Grendel · Feb 16, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Yeah but you and dumber are the sort to sit,pointing and laughing at condensation running down the inside of a window on a damp day so the fact that you find it laughable doesn't really count for anything especially given your dismissive nature.

I did ask if you attended the Bury game - did you?

Grendel · Feb 16, 2016

usskyblue said:
For the second time. Once for Grendel, now for you.

I said you can compare what ever you want. The media loves doing it. In my opinion, it's not valid, given all the criteria I've outlined.

A criteria no one but you and Tony believes.

Bye bye

Sick Boy · Feb 16, 2016

usskyblue said:
For the second time. Once for Grendel, now for you.

I said you can compare what ever you want. The media loves doing it. In my opinion, it's not valid, given all the criteria I've outlined.

Fair enough. Perhaps in abother decade the game will be played at such a pace that we won't even be able to watch it. Who knows.

skybluetony176 · Feb 16, 2016

Grendel said:
I did ask if you attended the Bury game - did you?

I asked you why JC ruined the team. I've even answered question you asked as a reply to the aforementioned question. You explain how JC ruined the team and I'll answer your question latest attempt at diversion.

How's that for a deal.

skybluetony176 · Feb 16, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Fair enough. Perhaps in abother decade the game will be played at such a pace that we won't even be able to watch it. Who knows.

You can't keep up now so if that does happen I guess we will at least be able to understand your thinking. Just got to wait a decade.

Grendel · Feb 16, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
I asked you why JC ruined the team. I've even answered question you asked as a reply to the aforementioned question. You explain how JC ruined the team and I'll answer your question latest attempt at diversion.

How's that for a deal.

Oh dear - not one of the 6 you can afford then

usskyblue · Feb 16, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Fair enough. Perhaps in abother decade the game will be played at such a pace that we won't even be able to watch it. Who knows.

There you go again....

usskyblue · Feb 16, 2016

Grendel said:
A criteria no one but you and Tony believes.

Bye bye

I'm not playing Internet points or sides. You might need help, I don't.

Learn to deal with me, it'll make your life a lot easier, unless, of course, you live for this stuff....which given your display today, I think is closer to the truth.

tomreagan84 · Feb 16, 2016

usskyblue said:
For the second time. Once for Grendel, now for you.

I said you can compare what ever you want. The media loves doing it. In my opinion, it's not valid, given all the criteria I've outlined.

To start, I agree, this thread would have ended months ago if gender would give a straight answer to a simple question.

I don't agree with you on comparing players 10 yrs apart though. If you were comparing Messi and George best, fair enough, the game has completely changed; any comparisons are completely subjective.

A 10 yr difference though, the game has certainly evolved, but not enough to render comparisons irrelevant. There'd actually be a very strong argument for English football being stronger 10 yrs ago than it is today.

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Grendel not gender. That was predictive text, not some witty new name.

Sick Boy · Feb 16, 2016

tomreagan84 said:
To start, I agree, this thread would have ended months ago if gender would give a straight answer to a simple question.

I don't agree with you on comparing players 10 yrs apart though. If you were comparing Messi and George best, fair enough, the game has completely changed; any comparisons are completely subjective.

A 10 yr difference though, the game has certainly evolved, but not enough to render comparisons irrelevant. There'd actually be a very strong argument for English football being stronger 10 yrs ago than it is today.

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His arguement is utterly laughable.

skybluetony176 · Feb 16, 2016

Grendel said:
Oh dear - not one of the 6 you can afford then

Don't worry about my finances just answer the question you've kept dodging for day's now and been asked by umpteen different posters.

Grendel · Feb 16, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Don't worry about my finances just answer the question you've kept dodging for day's now and been asked by umpteen different posters.

I have answered it a hundred times FFS

tomreagan84 · Feb 16, 2016

Grendel said:
I have answered it a hundred times FFS

Fair enough Grendel. If you could just explain what you actually meant in simple terms, there was clearly some misunderstanding, remember that we're football fans.

For what it's worth, I agree Cole disrupted the team for a month or so, but think that now that he's fit he'll be an asset.

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Brylowes · Feb 16, 2016

Steve Presley used to carry a "Shades of piss alert alarm " I'm not sure they
were available 10 years ago.:facepalm:

covmark · Feb 16, 2016

usskyblue said:
I'm not playing Internet points or sides. You might need help, I don't.

Learn to deal with me, it'll make your life a lot easier, unless, of course, you live for this stuff....which given your display today, I think is closer to the truth.

If you're not playing for internet points you have no place on this forum! You've been here long enough, you should know this by now.

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usskyblue · Feb 16, 2016

covmark said:
If you're not playing for internet points you have no place on this forum! You've been here long enough, you should know this by now.

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Hahaha ....nice one

dongonzalos · Feb 16, 2016

not sure what this debate is all about but if people want to know how sports science is effecting the game then have a read....

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18887653

Otis · Feb 16, 2016

covmark said:
If you're not playing for internet points you have no place on this forum! You've been here long enough, you should know this by now.

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If we were playing for internet points I'd have been relegated 4 times by now and be plying my trade in the lower reaches of non-league football.

PTA · Feb 16, 2016

Grendel said:
I have answered it a hundred times FFS

You've avoided it a hundred times.

Grendel · Feb 16, 2016

PTA said:
You've avoided it a hundred times.

What have I actually avoided and why would I avoid it given the pipsqueak level of opposing debaters?

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