Brighton Sky Blue
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Ah you were talking about Phoenix. My big issue is that suppose we start such a club and then SISU sell the 'old' club who move back to the Ricoh and enjoy some success. What then?
Yes of course, I'm questioning phoenix's ability to pay them, even if ACL offer them rent fee. Yes it wouldn't be £10k but it would still be substantial.
Ah you were talking about Phoenix. My big issue is that suppose we start such a club and then SISU sell the 'old' club who move back to the Ricoh and enjoy some success. What then?
ACF Wimbledon, MK Dons, which one is the real Wimbledon?
If Phoenix are resident at the Ricoh, how would "old" club get back in there?
Agreed, it depends what you want the Phoenix club to be. If you want it to progress through the leagues, there will, as you say, have to be some outside investment. I think PH4's interest from a money making point is the surrounding land, that does not have to create debt for the football club. If you have people in charge of the football club who care about the club, you will avoid the situation we find ourselves in. The new Coventry United has investment from local businessmen who are disillusioned CCFC fans.
Remember, PH4 has said that he favours supporter involvement.
Yes of course, I'm questioning phoenix's ability to pay them, even if ACL offer them rent fee. Yes it wouldn't be £10k but it would still be substantial.
Why would Ph5 fund a new team when he doesn't even originate from Coventry?
He is in it for the Ricoh! He wants what CCFC have.
Otherwise he would fund a new club in his native lands!
CCFC is owned by Sisu. Phoneix team won't be & therefore is not the same, you can't just buy the history & 87 cup win!
To buy CCFC, only way is from Sisu!
Ah you were talking about Phoenix. My big issue is that suppose we start such a club and then SISU sell the 'old' club who move back to the Ricoh and enjoy some success. What then?
Re-born? We not even dead yet.
I think the name Coventry Phoenix is apt, the city has a link to the concept of a phoenix having risen from the ashes following the blitz of 1940. Play in sky blue sing the old songs, moving to Northampton is going to kill the club. As long as SISU can break -even they will hang onto ccfc untill someone pays over the odds for it or they get the Ricoh cheap.
CCFC is currently set for Northampton. If that club ends, only then can a new club be a replacement.
It would only be a replacement, not the real CCFC. As that would have liquidated! The history would stay with CCFC 1883.
Ah you were talking about Phoenix. My big issue is that suppose we start such a club and then SISU sell the 'old' club who move back to the Ricoh and enjoy some success. What then?
Me, personally, I would go back to old CCFC as main club (ie watch most often) Phoenix as second team. If the Phoenix club serves only to make SISU bring the club back to Coventry or sell to someone that will it will have served its purpose.
Me, personally, I would go back to old CCFC as main club (ie watch most often) Phoenix as second team. If the Phoenix club serves only to make SISU bring the club back to Coventry or sell to someone that will it will have served its purpose.
As I posted earlier:-
Having slept on this, people are right in saying that we the supporters are the football club, and I would support the creation of a phoenix club created solely for the purpose of being the new CCFC. Before anyone suggests otherwise, this doesn't have to split the fans and we should all accept how each of us chooses to follow our club without pointless bickering. Nor should this mean that we give up hope or stop fighting to get the legal entity of our original club back from SISU/Northampton because that is what we all want. It is just that we may never succeed in getting this and plan B should start now rather than in 3 to 5 years time. Should we at some stage get the legal entity of CCFC back we all know that is where we the supporters who are the club will pledge our support, and the need for the phoenix club disappears and it can be disbanded or swallowed up by CCFC.
Actually the trust have rights to that in the event of liquidation.
Phoenix is relying on being a purely fan owned enterprise, at least initially. If CCFC is restored to benevolent and competent owners then Phoenix becomes redundant and those who put in the money will lose out.
In my view a Phoenix club should be just that-something formed from the ashes of the previous entity.
So if CCFC liquidate as a club, SBT get ownership of the remains? Where's my quid?
How much money do you think people need to put in? FC United fans pay £12 a year.
This assumes that the original club is lost forever-it isn't. You talk about it being disbanded if CCFC have sanity restored; how can this be explained to those who have funded the 'Phoenix' which technically isn't one until the current club dies.
How much does it take to fund a club to the level of say Leamington?
How much money do you think people need to put in? FC United fans pay £12 a year.
How much does it take to fund a club to the level of say Leamington?
FC United don't even play in Manchester, they play 18 miles away from Old Trafford in Bury.
Well nuneaton and atherstone have been liquidated in the last 10 years, nuneaton may well go under so it's not cheap.
Thought you had been to University? Not being funny but its not a brand new concept. Do a bit of research around clubs like FC United and AFC Liverpool. I personally don't like the term Phoenix club as its misleading but it's what others understand. Technically I guess it would be breakaway rather than Phoenix.
What has that got to do with anything? Genuine question, I don't see the relevance of that statement.
A lot of Leamingtons funding above their income is from donations and fans putting in a bit of time at the club together. Obviously couldn't tell you how much as they are a private company. FC united until this season were at the same level and would likely share details fairly freely on how much it costs.
Nuneaton & Atherstones situations were caused by private backers not being able to fund the clubs.
Yep, got a first class Masters in chemistry. Back to the discussion though-I just think people are treating the club as a complete lost cause when it's not and is still worth fighting to rescue. The moment SISU leave the club has no purpose.
Completely agree Brighton. Where did you study?
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