I think it is the right time to discuss this (2 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

I think I need to go for a lie down, I agree with Grendel! Getting rid of Sillett was a huge mistake and where we started the spiral of spending more than we had.

 

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[Joy Division]

You clearly know nothing about the history of this move do you? John Poynton was a tosser. He shafted John Sillett who was the best thing that happened to the club since jimmy hill. In his infinate wisdom he wanted the big name manager so sacked Sillett. He lined up graham sourness as player manager. It went pear shaped so he got butcher. Butcher was 32 with no managerial experience and inherited an ageing squad and little funds. It was an impossible task.

I suspect the public in Inverness disagree with regarding his management credentials.

How about the Sunderland and Brentford fans, wonder what their opinions are of Butcher?

 

[Grendel]

Interesting you should mention Jimmy Hill...

Seeing as win percentages are the end all of all factors when considering a manager as oppose to circumstances

Why? Only 2 have been better than hill on win % in 100 years!

 

[stupot07]

How about the Sunderland and Brentford fans, wonder what their opinions are of Butcher?

Probably the same as Readings on Brendan Rodgers and Livingston on Paul Lambert.


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[Joy Division]

Probably the same as Readings on Brendan Rodgers and Livingston on Paul Lambert.


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right

 

[The CableGuy]

Butcher's 1st act was to put Cyrille Regis on the transfer list.

I'll never forgive him for that.

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

Butcher, Mackay, Howe, McAllister, Thorn - all terrible.

Worse though in my view was Aidy Boothroyd

 

[dongonzalos]

Why? Only 2 have been better than hill on win % in 100 years!

Stats are a wonderfully thing when you ignore extenuating circumstances



http://www.cwn.org.uk/skyblues/jim-...ts totals adjusted for 3 points for a win] ]

 

[dongonzalos]

Stats are a wonderfully thing when you ignore extenuating circumstances

MANAGERREIGNPLWDLFORAGSGDPTSWINS
G CURTIS1986-8745191214534765042.2%
J SILLETT1987-90128443747143169-2612534.4%
T BUTCHER1990-92491611225660-44332.7%
G MILNE1972-81378123108147466552-8647732.5%
D MACKAY1984-86601911307293-214931.7%
N CANTWELL1967-72186585672204240-3623031.2%
P NEAL1993-95581818225674-185431.0%
D SEXTON1981-8384262038104121-177230.9%
R GOULD (2)1992-93541619196673-75129.6%
R GOULD (1)1983-846318153077117-405128.6%
G STRACHAN1996-01183525279203262-5920828.4%
R DENNISON1972123271320-71125.0%
R ATKINSON1995-96641424266492-285221.9%
J HILL1967122461928-91016.7%
D HOWE1992193881018-81415.8%
TOTAL 139543139756716061966-360151130.9%
[NOTE: All points totals adjusted for 3 points for a win]

Jim brown is the author of the above

Of course you could look at it was only 12 games etc etc
But if we are purely manipulating stats and ignoring all other factors .......

 

[dongonzalos]

Butcher, Mackay, Howe, McAllister, Thorn - all terrible.

Worse though in my view was Aidy Boothroyd

Someone on here rated Aidy Boothroyd.

I think if you have not had another job yet since your sacking from Cov, you are still to be judged. (Considering our owners)

However if you took on another job after Cov
and took the team you took over to the bottom of the professional league, judgement made.

 

[stupot07]

Is the whole purpose of this thread trying to prove that Thorn wasn't crap?


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[dongonzalos]

Is the whole purpose of this thread trying to prove that Thorn wasn't crap?


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Nope, that it was a really important moment to discuss ex managers who you think are crap.

Can't think of anything more imperative to discuss at this time.

Surprised you needed to ask

 

[Grendel]

Jim brown is the author of the above

Of course you could look at it was only 12 games etc etc
But if we are purely manipulating stats and ignoring all other factors .......

What on earth is this?

 

[Hobo]

What on earth is this?

I think he means if some one like Hill has 44 per cent after more than 200 games it is perhaps more impressive than say 50 per cent after 20 games? Also the stats have to be looked at alongside other factors.

From my point of view Hill, Milne, Sexton, Sillett and Curtis are the ones I've really rated.

I would have liked more time given to Roland Neilson and Eric Black.

Robins was the best manager we had had in a long time. Not here long enough to really judge but seems to be doing okay at Huddersfield. They were awful when he took
over.

Really like what I've seen and heard from Pressley so far.

Most over rated manager Strachan...but a great player for us. Talked absolute gibberish.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Never get a consensus on this kinda thing. For me you take someone like Reid (a great leader on the pitch) & put him in management & it's a huge fail. Whereas someone like Curtis & Sillett produced miracles.
What's the difference? It's probably individual personality. Big Ron just couldn't muster the passion in himself after his Man U days (it was never going to be bettered), Dalglish managed huge success with Liverpool...he loved everything Liverpool FC & his passion was infectious. On te other hand Harry Rednapp can perform miracles - but seems to be passionate about his role & in motivating players rather than the clubs he works for. Steve Mclaren passionate about coaching...look at the impact he's had at several clubs (including currently)...but media influence usually makes him shunned by fans of most clubs. SP? He seems to have affinity with the club, hunger for success, passion for coaching & developing...just hope he sees it all through with us!