Iain Dowie - harshly viewed as a failure? (1 Viewer)

CJparker · Mar 4, 2012

Dowie seems to be treated as a bit of a managerial joke, but in fact he has been very hard done by at several clubs, so his record makes him look worse than he is:

Oldham - did really well and get the Palace job on the back of that

Palace - got them into the Prem and nearly kept there against the odds

Charlton - only had a few games in charge: when he left you'd only lost 1 out of the last 6 games he managed after a poor start

Cov - Ranson wanted to bring his own man (Coleman) in, previously the financial crisis at the club had prevented him from doing well, but still scored cup wins at Blackburn and Man U

QPR - did OK with them but not amazingly, even though he never saw the promised huge budget - just another victim of their trigger happy owners along with Gregory, Luigi Di Canio, Sousa etc

Hull - temp contract when they were already down

So he's managed to fall out with people rather than be an awful manager. Saying that, I'd rather not have him back.

Was slightly surprised he didn't go for the NI job which went to o'Niell. Also Magilton would be a strong contender for that.

pusbccfc · Mar 4, 2012

I love the passion and pride he showed.
He also was in charge in our best win last decade against united.

Walking Bird · Mar 4, 2012

I had no issues with Dowie & Flowers. Wonder what they could have done with the money Coleman spent.

sw88 · Mar 4, 2012

I do think he was treated badly and he should have been given longer under SISU.

coundonskyblue · Mar 4, 2012

He could certainly build them up for big games, would be useful now.

torchomatic · Mar 4, 2012

I didn't like him or his bouncebackability.

Rickstar8701 · Mar 4, 2012

Didn't he play a part in Newcastle getting relegated?

Marty · Mar 4, 2012

He wasted a lot of what little money we had, I wouldn't have trusted him with money.

Otis · Mar 4, 2012

He's a bit like my wife then.

stupot07 · Mar 4, 2012

I think the wins v Blackburn and Manu reserves cloud some people's memory's of Dowies tenure.

city old boy · Mar 4, 2012

If he was a failure what's this twat in charge now

sw88 · Mar 4, 2012

stupot07 said:
I think the wins v Blackburn and Manu reserves cloud some people's memory's of Dowies tenure.

You say 'Man U reserves' (like most United fans do) but there were still some decent players in that team. And for anyone to go United as an under dog (in fairness most teams do), and come away with a clear win, is pretty impressive whether its reserves or not!

Paxman II · Mar 4, 2012

He was fired by Ranson at an unbelievable time and that firing very nearly cost us our championship status later as Coleman tried to get to grips with the job and bar a lick of paint on a goal post.
He was enthusiastic and I believe would have got it right - certainly better than Coleman.

We need to appoint someone who you just know will get results going come what may. Neil Warnock is that type of manager. Leeds lost yesterday but you just know there will be a run at the play offs from Leeds because of Warnock. How many of those managers are there around? Can you name any?

Tonylinc · Mar 4, 2012

How we need his passion and enthusiasm right now!

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 4, 2012

Had nearly a 41% win ratio as Coventry manager, not bad if you ask me.

EleanorRigby · Mar 4, 2012

My issue with Dowie and come to that Coleman and Boothroyd is none of them addressed the team problems that were there for all to see, still are. No pace other than Mifsud and look how dangerous we were when he first started, shame he couldn't play. No team balance infact under Dowie we had more left kickers than a mass at St Mary's. We have had full back peoblems here for 5 seasons right or left back and when we find a decent right back (Keogh) we convert him to centre-half when we have half a dozen exposing the right back slot again.

Colonel Mustard · Mar 4, 2012

Dowie was sacked because the team plummeted down the table over a period of three months.

We averaged 0.73 points-per-game over that third of a season. We slipped from 8th to 19th in the league with no sign of a turnaround coming.

As stupot said, the cup results tend to cloud the reality of the league performance. It was right to sack Dowie to make a proper fight against relegation, but it doesn't mean he has a bad legacy. We'll always have Blackburn and Man Utd...

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 4, 2012

The 4-1 at Blackburn was the best City game I've been to. His attitude to the job was mind numbingly positive at times but it was better than Coleman's dour demeanour. The only cash signing was the fee the Cassidy brothers stumped up for Best-the rest were freebies. He had essentially identical financial resources to Thorn but draws far less praise.

stupot07 · Mar 4, 2012

CCFC said:
Had nearly a 41% win ratio as Coventry manager, not bad if you ask me.

He also had a 41% lose ratio, we rarely drew games under his tenure.

Spence CCFC · Mar 4, 2012

If he had the players Coleman had he would have done a lot lot better. Remember Turner (when he was shit) and De Zeeuw playing at centre back with Julian Gray left wing. Woeful team.

stupot07 · Mar 4, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The 4-1 at Blackburn was the best City game I've been to. His attitude to the job was mind numbingly positive at times but it was better than Coleman's dour demeanour. The only cash signing was the fee the Cassidy brothers stumped up for Best-the rest were freebies. He had essentially identical financial resources to Thorn but draws far less praise.

You forgot borrowdale......and the nominal fee for Simpson. Also to say he had identical resources as Thorn is misleading he inherited a better squad (e.g miffy, tabb, ward, doyle at his peak, Dele, etc) and had a wage budget that was treble what it is now. Also those freebie signings would have been entitled to signing on fee's, etc.

He was able to bring in 11/12 permanent signings some of which would have been on decent money (e.g. De Zeuw, Michael Hughes,) and make a couple of loan signings.

Grendel · Mar 4, 2012

Problem with dowie is that he signs a lot of players. He hugely inflated the playing squad but most of those players were poor. There were some really off beat signings (Cairo?) and he benifitted from misfud and adebole scoring lots of goals in a short period. Most of the good players he had were not signed by him.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 4, 2012

Was Borrowdale a tribunal fee? Either way, he didn't have half what Coleman or Adams spent.

Colonel Mustard · Mar 4, 2012

Spence CCFC said:
If he had the players Coleman had he would have done a lot lot better.

We just don't know that. You can only judge a manager on what he does with what he has, and Dowie was failing in a big way. I'm sure people would say that AT could do better with Dowie's resources, and on and on it goes.

Skybluemilf · Mar 4, 2012

Dowie is a CRAP manager that is why he is not in management now!

georgehudson · Mar 4, 2012

that is the crux, we don't know, 'resources made available' is such a vague phrase,
questions arise though from our current and past squad,
who gave out long contracts to bell & baker ?
why was eastwood allowed to malinger ?
who appointed dulieu head of football operations ?
and on what football related basis ?
what were the real details behind the exit of dann, fox, best, westwood, gunnarson, turner, king etc., ?
all in the manner of more openess & regular communication,
so over to you onye,
we wait................

ccfctommy · Mar 4, 2012

Adams was harshly viewed as a failure.

johnniericoh · Mar 4, 2012

CJparker said:
Dowie seems to be treated as a bit of a managerial joke, but in fact he has been very hard done by at several clubs, so his record makes him look worse than he is:

Oldham - did really well and get the Palace job on the back of that

Palace - got them into the Prem and nearly kept there against the odds

Charlton - only had a few games in charge: when he left you'd only lost 1 out of the last 6 games he managed after a poor start

Cov - Ranson wanted to bring his own man (Coleman) in, previously the financial crisis at the club had prevented him from doing well, but still scored cup wins at Blackburn and Man U

QPR - did OK with them but not amazingly, even though he never saw the promised huge budget - just another victim of their trigger happy owners along with Gregory, Luigi Di Canio, Sousa etc

Hull - temp contract when they were already down

So he's managed to fall out with people rather than be an awful manager. Saying that, I'd rather not have him back.

Was slightly surprised he didn't go for the NI job which went to o'Niell. Also Magilton would be a strong contender for that.

When he first came to CCFC (19/02/07-11/02/08) he was like a breath of fresh air - he turfed out the acadamy lads at 7.00 am to get an early start and I am sure he introduced a lot of sports science disciplines and lifestyle dictates to the then squad.

His track record was not all that bad either P49 W20-D8-L21 Pts 68 and a win ratio of 41% !!! - compares as above average for the last few CCFC managers.

If that form was transposed to this time now we would have 47 points and lying comfortably in 12th place and NOT 22nd with a win ratio of 21% !!!

stupot07 · Mar 5, 2012

johnniericoh said:
When he first came to CCFC (19/02/07-11/02/08) he was like a breath of fresh air - he turfed out the acadamy lads at 7.00 am to get an early start and I am sure he introduced a lot of sports science disciplines and lifestyle dictates to the then squad.

His track record was not all that bad either P49 W20-D8-L21 Pts 68 and a win ratio of 41% !!! - compares as above average for the last few CCFC managers.

If that form was transposed to this time now we would have 47 points and lying comfortably in 12th place and NOT 22nd with a win ratio of 21% !!!

Not all those games were league games - I'd e interested to see what hi record was in te league. He also had a far better squad and in particular better strike force than we have now. Comparing Dowie, Coleman, etc to Thorn is not comparing like for like.

johnniericoh · Mar 5, 2012

stupot07 said:
Not all those games were league games - I'd e interested to see what hi record was in te league. He also had a far better squad and in particular better strike force than we have now. Comparing Dowie, Coleman, etc to Thorn is not comparing like for like.

You are right stupot - ID win ratio for league games was indeed 35% that should still be eligible to compare with AT.

Additionally ID was sacked in 19th place after 30 games with 35 points - finished that season in 21st place after 46 games and 53 points

PUSB

stupot07 · Mar 5, 2012

johnniericoh said:
You are right stupot - ID win ratio for league games was indeed 35% that should still be eligible to compare with AT.

Additionally ID was sacked in 19th place after 30 games with 35 points - finished that season in 21st place after 46 games and 53 points

PUSB

The OP was that Dowie was harshly treated, not that his record was better than AT's - and a number of posters including me suggested that the cup games cloud peoples memories of his tenure, his league record was a mixed bag: -

PL 43 W 15 D7 L 21 Win ratio 35% Loss ratio 49% 1.21 pts per game (55 over a season) - the points per game is almost identical to Coleman's 1.19 (54.5) and Adams - 1.26 pts per game (58).

He also had much better squads than what we have presently - during his time here he had Miffy, Dele, Stern John, Hutchinson, Doyle at his peak, Tabb, Ward, McKenzie, Leon Best, etc

dongonzalos · Mar 5, 2012

CJparker said:
Dowie seems to be treated as a bit of a managerial joke, but in fact he has been very hard done by at several clubs, so his record makes him look worse than he is:

Oldham - did really well and get the Palace job on the back of that

Palace - got them into the Prem and nearly kept there against the odds

Charlton - only had a few games in charge: when he left you'd only lost 1 out of the last 6 games he managed after a poor start

Cov - Ranson wanted to bring his own man (Coleman) in, previously the financial crisis at the club had prevented him from doing well, but still scored cup wins at Blackburn and Man U

QPR - did OK with them but not amazingly, even though he never saw the promised huge budget - just another victim of their trigger happy owners along with Gregory, Luigi Di Canio, Sousa etc

Hull - temp contract when they were already down

So he's managed to fall out with people rather than be an awful manager. Saying that, I'd rather not have him back.

Was slightly surprised he didn't go for the NI job which went to o'Niell. Also Magilton would be a strong contender for that.

I have to say he is also harshly viewed as ugly......... Not sure how people come to these conclusions and misconceptions

False9 · Mar 6, 2012

Crap 'modern' manager who relied too heavily on soundbites and amino acids whilst neglecting the tactical side.

Tankie · Mar 6, 2012

Otis said:
He's a bit like my wife then.

mine too, dear Boy

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