It doesn't matter if they're not happy the rules are applied consistently
The ‘least bad’ way is to use PPG based on previous games played IMO. It isn’t ideal, but what solution is? .
Like I said before facts must outweigh predictionSlightly less flippantly, I have thought from the start of this situation that completing the season in any way that doesn’t introduce an element of ‘unfairness’ to it is basically impossible. There will always be some team that feels hard done to (which makes it even more ridiculous that they don’t have a plan for this sort of situation), but we are where we are.
The ‘least bad’ way is to use PPG based on previous games played IMO. It isn’t ideal, but what solution is? Voiding the season is for spiteful (see Liverpool) or potentially relegated teams to push.
Whatever mechanism is used to decide (if a decision is to be made) sees us win the league. Let the rest take them to court (if they can find a pro-bono legal team to take their case on).
Of course it's not ideal. What if you've got only a slightly lower PPG than someone else but you've got loads of teams at the bottom of the league to play while another has the top teams?
You've probably done better than them up to this point because you've got almost as many points having played harder fixtures.
So we use the only facts we have (previous games this season) to predict the outcome. Don’t see an alternative apart from voiding the season, and that’s the worst alternative there is.Like I said before facts must outweigh prediction
Agreed, I wasn't arguing with you.So we use the only facts we have (previous games this season) to predict the outcome. Don’t see an alternative apart from voiding the season, and that’s the worst alternative there is.
I think everyone agrees that there isn’t a perfect solution, so what’s the next best?Of course it's not ideal. What if you've got only a slightly lower PPG than someone else but you've got loads of teams at the bottom of the league to play while another has the top teams?
You've probably done better than them up to this point because you've got almost as many points having played harder fixtures.
But if we are in this for the long haul, why do it now, jist wait still we are about to get out to decide - imagine if they finish then season tomorrow but then we get out of isolation in like a month!Call it points per game now. I highly doubt the season is finishing. We are in this for the long haul.
I’ll even call next season possibly not starting on time by a long way.
But if we are in this for the long haul, why do it now, jist wait still we are about to get out to decide - imagine if they finish then season tomorrow but then we get out of isolation in like a month!
It's irrelevant
And if CCFC were the team sitting a point off a promotion place with a much easier run in would you be so keen to say it was 'irrelevant' then?
I think everyone agrees that there isn’t a perfect solution, so what’s the next best?
Can anyone, anywhere, come up with a better solution than PPG (however it is implemented)?
What I am saying is irrelevant is where the teams you are playing are placed in the league, and yes I would. The unknown cannot hold equal to or greater weight than the known. So it is basically irrelevant who you're playing next and where they are in the league, as it is prejudicing the outcome.
Hence why I did an xPPG table. The PPG (absolute known) takes on much more weight than the x (unknown but highly probable) which gives a minor adjustment to it factoring in the likely outcomes.
But the 'known' also includes that some teams are down the bottom and struggling and others are at the top and have performed well and this affects the likely outcome - if it doesn't whats the point in betting odds? Both teams should have the same odds because you can't factor in the unknown because the game hasn't been played. So if you know this and also know some teams have more games against struggling teams while others play teams that are winning a lot.
So let's say they went PPG and top three get promoted. We were in fourth and a point behind on the same games played but we had the bottom nine teams to play while the team in 3rd had the top 11 (less themselves and us in fourth). Would you say that that was completely irrelevant and there wouldn't be a high likelihood we would overturn them to take third, or go even higher? It might not be known but it's highly probable. It isn't prejudicing the outcome, it's reflecting the likelihood of the outcome.
Look at that F1 season where Hamilton won the Championship on the final corner by overtaking someone. A lap to go he was a long way off taking the position needed but caught up due to another car being on the wrong tyres and was lapping really slowly. Had they just decided to call that off 5 laps early it would've materially affected the outcome.
If the ref had blown early in that Arsenal-Liverpool game that saw Michael Thomas win them the league, or when Aguero scored for Man City it'd have totally changed the outcome.
We're not even sure that even if they did predict the table that promotion/relegation is going to occur - for all we know they could say we're not doing it because the season wasn't officially completed. And that would be fine to everyone wanting PPG because apparently it's OK to just make arbitrary decisions on the outcome not specifically set out in the rules. Would everyone still want PPG if that were the case, or would you then change your mind to finishing the season so we had a chance to go up?
I think the xPPG is reasonable, you could even apply it xPPG away and xPPG home if you wanted to.
City will be about 5th Home and First away. (Assuming you ignore the long run of away games without a win).Yes you could. But I'm not working all that out!
WELL WORTH A READ - STATEMENT FROM LEAMINGTON FC.
It's a fairly long one, but interesting what discussions have taken place:
- Worth noting last paragraph about contracts.
- Also worth noting that Leamington are step 2 of Non League, 3 levels below us,
- ..and that step 3 and below (sphinx/Cov Utd step 5) have had their seasons wiped - including those who were already MATHEMATICALLY PROMOTED!
"Many of you may well be wondering what is going to be the outcome for Season 2019-20 in light of the Coronaviruspandemic and why you have not heard anything from the club in recent days.
Simply put, it is because we ourselves do not know. The current situation is that all National League members, including our club, were asked a week ago to vote on a resolution that the season be ended without any further league matches being played. Clubs were asked to return their vote as a matter of urgency but in reality, the laws of such matters are that clubscould only be given a deadline of 7th May. The voting structure of the NationalLeague is that all 24 National League clubs have one vote each whilst the National League North (NLN) and National League South (NLS) clubs each have a collective four votes each. At this moment in timewe await an update from the NationalLeague Board on the outcome, which will only come when they are in receipt of amajority number of votes either in favour of or against the resolution.
Should the resolution be passed, thenclubs will then be asked to vote on their preferred options for how the seasonshould be concluded. These willundoubtedly cover a range of options of which we have no firm knowledge.Discussions across football on that topic over recent weeks have ranged from: Null and Void; Points per Game (PPG) forremaining games based on a club'saverage PPG thus far; Promote teams in the current two top spots in each league along with a number of other possible variations. Should the resolution fail then I presume we can add completing theseason to the mix.
As you can see from the above, it's a hugely fluid situation. Just these past few days ,the EFL (Leagues One and Two)announced that their preferred position would be to resume the current season at some time in the future, thus aligning themselves with the Premiership and Championship. With the lockdown being extended for a further three weeks and the health of the nation quite rightly at the forefront of everything, the perceived wisdom is that there is no chance of anyfootball taking place before the 1st June and even that is a highly questionable unknown. If you factor in that UEFA may be looking to hold the final of the Champions League on 29 August, then the degree of uncertainty is pronounced. Where does that place us all for the commencement of Season 2020/2021?
Contracts of players at Step 2 (NLN andNLS) largely end on the last day of the season although some players will have 52-week contracts that conclude on 30th June. Whilst FIFA have provided guidance on how contracts may be rolled on for an extended seasons end, respected sports lawyers have advised that under English law no player can be forced to extend his/her contract. We certainly sit in uncharted waters!"
I think the xPPG is reasonable, you could even apply it xPPG away and xPPG home if you wanted to.
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