If Keogh was to be sold (1 Viewer)
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oakey
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Can't see anyone shelling out that kind of money. More like half a million tops. Keogh might be one of our best players but there are plenty of equally good players around who will be on a free, like Cranie. It would not be good but we are a selling club, so we would just have to accept it.
you may well be right, but i'm pretty sure Keogh can fetch a 7 digit figure... but I may be wearing Sky Blue tinted glasses
Grendel
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Turner didn't and he was a better defender. Also I believe on a longer contract.
that doesnt mean thats what the player was worth though, i guess its up to sisu on how much we sell our assets for though
Yorkshire SB
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Keogh is very good for our side, but at times he flatters to deceive. Throws himself into challenges, blocks shots putting his body on the line..our John Terry, if you will. However he's in a back four that rarely keep a clean sheet, obviously it's not all down to him, but if we sold him for 750k (estimate), we'll hopefully have McPake back next season and probably get slated for this, but I loved McPake, thought he was class. Had injury problems but he's had a good few months in Scotland, a decent pre-season and we've got a very good centre back there. Cranie will probably go too, so with our current squad we'd be looking at Wood, Cameron, McPake and Willis. Haven't seen enough of Willis to comment, but the other three would be very capable in League 1.
Obviously best case scenario is that we keep Keogh (and don't get relegated), but if he leaves I don't think we should panic.
The issue for next season is the midfield, potentially huge problems. The way I see it we're basically gambling that Thomas and Bigiramana are going to do the business in League 1. Ability wise, they're good enough, but I just don't know if they could compete physically. If we're relegated and we take away Norwood and Clingan, we struggle for anything. McSheffrey would be a good League 1 player, however Bell is dog awful, and Baker, despite success at Stockport, I can see but bang average. Deegan is appalling in my eyes, he's slow, average on the ball and has little skill, creativity or flair. I assumed we were getting a tenacious big tackler but I've seen little to suggest that. I think the strikers, again, will be fine, McDonald will do the business, but I struggle to see how that Midfield would get us anywhere..
Obviously best case scenario is that we keep Keogh (and don't get relegated), but if he leaves I don't think we should panic.
The issue for next season is the midfield, potentially huge problems. The way I see it we're basically gambling that Thomas and Bigiramana are going to do the business in League 1. Ability wise, they're good enough, but I just don't know if they could compete physically. If we're relegated and we take away Norwood and Clingan, we struggle for anything. McSheffrey would be a good League 1 player, however Bell is dog awful, and Baker, despite success at Stockport, I can see but bang average. Deegan is appalling in my eyes, he's slow, average on the ball and has little skill, creativity or flair. I assumed we were getting a tenacious big tackler but I've seen little to suggest that. I think the strikers, again, will be fine, McDonald will do the business, but I struggle to see how that Midfield would get us anywhere..
stupot07
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Templerich - you don't like keogh because he's John terry like, throwing himself into last ditch tackles etc, but love McPake who does exactly the same minus keogh's pace and ability to be fit enough to play every minute or every game.
Tbh - Wood will be one of our highest earners and McPake wants to go back to Scotland - I can see a scenario where the only centre back we have remaining is Cameron.
Can't see us getting any more than £500k for keogh as he will be in te last year of his contract.
Tbh - Wood will be one of our highest earners and McPake wants to go back to Scotland - I can see a scenario where the only centre back we have remaining is Cameron.
Can't see us getting any more than £500k for keogh as he will be in te last year of his contract.
AFCCOVENTRY
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He has one year left on his contract.
So if he doesn't sign a new deal this summer regardless of what division we are in, he will be sold.
So if he doesn't sign a new deal this summer regardless of what division we are in, he will be sold.
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Nonleagueherewecome
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Cranie equally as good as Keogh? No chance. Keogh is player of the year by a country mile. Cranie is shakey in terms of concentration and limited in terms of pace and aerial ability.
Yorkshire SB
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Hang on there mate, don't think I ever said 'I don't like Keogh', I actually think he's a very good defender and also a better player overall than McPake. My point was that I think with a fully fit McPake, I don't think we lose out too much. Despite what you say, I think there have been games McPake (in a stronger Coventry side too I might add) where he's been superb, making some outstanding challenges. I think you have to acknowledge the fact that he was made Captain of a strong Livingston side (that included Graham Dorrans and Robert Snodgrass) when he was only 21 and during 2009 was tipped for an International call-up.
stupot07
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Apologies, just re-read your post.
Livingston weren't that good, they were relegated from the SPL in the 2005-06 season and McPake was captain of them in the Scottish first division where they finished 6th,7th,7th (out of 10). I think him being tipped for an international call up says more about the lack of talent in Scottish football than McPakes ability.
sky_blue_up_north
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What do you if, it should read when, one of the few players we have with any sort of value
Grendel
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You can count the number of bad games keogh has had for the club on one hand and you can count the number of good games Mcpake has had on the same hand using less fingers. Comparing a very talented super fit championship player to an injury prone average defender in Scotland is getting a bit desperate I think.
Grendel
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Agreed. Cranie has looked extremely average all season. Distribution is also very poor.
Nick
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What i have noticed sometimes with keogh is that he makes mistakes to which he makes a last ditch tackle which looks good!
I could never fault his passion or workrate but if he read the game like cranie could he would be quality
I dont think he would make it in the prem, if he made a mistake somebody like tevez would destroy him before he could get a last ditch!
I could never fault his passion or workrate but if he read the game like cranie could he would be quality
I dont think he would make it in the prem, if he made a mistake somebody like tevez would destroy him before he could get a last ditch!
1nilandwe...
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Disagree!
Cranie is our second placed player of the season behind Keogh. He's very solid and compliments Keogh well. He has also been played out of position most of the year, lest we forget.
Losing Keogh would certainly be a bad thing, because I'd be very surprised if we get anywhere near 1mil for him.
stupot07
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What do you mean out of position?
Nick
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stupot07
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Yeah but he's only played left back 5-6 times this season, he's predominantly played centre half which he himself says is his preferred position. The post said that he'd mostly played out of position, which is not the case.
Brighton Sky Blue
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McPake got handed the Hibs captaincy soon after joining them and has performed majorly well thus far-and he looked impressive again in the semi-final against Aberdeen yesterday. Don't dismiss him completely-if he's fully fit physically and mentally he will be a real asset.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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I may get lambasted for this, but I think Keogh is over-rated by City fans. He's the master of the last-minute clearance/lunge/tackle which makes him look heroic; whereas in practise he's often covering for being in the wrong position to begin with.
People only concentrating in the effect, not the cause. Same with John Terry, albeit on a totally different level, of course
People only concentrating in the effect, not the cause. Same with John Terry, albeit on a totally different level, of course
I think he's our best player and I'd hate to see him sold but I think if he does go in the summer it won't be a high price because teams in the championship will pick up players easily from relegated sides as we'll be desperate for money plus I can't see Sisu putting up a fight for any of our players if an offer comes in
LeamingtonBootBoy
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If we are in L1 next season, I see no way how Keogh would stay.
Crainie was a cheeky twat for coming out and saying that he'd be off if we went down (or words to that effect)...but Keogh is a much better player than Crainie as he also marshals the defence....Crainie plays like a mute...he says sod all and does little to help the younger players around him.
Crainie was a cheeky twat for coming out and saying that he'd be off if we went down (or words to that effect)...but Keogh is a much better player than Crainie as he also marshals the defence....Crainie plays like a mute...he says sod all and does little to help the younger players around him.
Yorkshire SB
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Possibly it is just the optimist within me..but I honestly don't think, when fully fit, there's a great deal between the two of them. Right now Keogh is a cult hero, but I think we have to look at the fact we're third bottom, and without pompey's deduction would be second bottom. A couple of years ago we played McPake and Wood at CB in the second half of the season and they did well (admittedly we were better in other departments) now I think it's more a case of Keogh being the best of a bad bunch than anything else.
To make it clear I'm not saying McPake is in anyway better than Keogh he is, but Keogh is like Scott Parker; immense work-rate, passion and big challenges, the fans will always love a guy like that and I just think if he left we may have the resources to make his departure less significant.
To make it clear I'm not saying McPake is in anyway better than Keogh he is, but Keogh is like Scott Parker; immense work-rate, passion and big challenges, the fans will always love a guy like that and I just think if he left we may have the resources to make his departure less significant.
