If we go down what will sisu do? (1 Viewer)

[MichaelCCFC]

Genuine question - do sisu have a plan A for if we survive and a plan B for if we don't (e.g. that's why STs are being delayed) or as some people seem to be speculating, if we're relegated is our projected income so low that they'll just walk away?

 

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[Thenose]

Remind me what Plan A was exactly...

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

They will just cut the playing bill and we will meander around L2 for years to come.

 

[stupot07]

They will just the playing bill and we will meander around L2 for years to come.

Agreed. Revenue doesn't decrease by that much between L1 and L2 compared to championship to L1, plus FFP rules are slightly tighter. They will just continue to try and run the club break even in L2.


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[Senior Vick from Alicante]

They have not had a credible plan since they bought the club and we have not had a proper football man on the inside since Ranson left however good or bad he was. Plan A was buy the club move the debt and hope for promotion on a shoe string budget their by making a huge profit on a resale, their was and is no plan B. They did not factor in loosing everything alienating the fan base, local community, local charity and council. They do not have a clue on how to run a football business and I believe they are locked in until someone with a lottery win or deep pockets pays them to fuck off, until then the spiral of managers and relegations will continue.

 

[Ashdown]

They only know one thing now, which is to cut costs, hence the downward spiral. We would probably have Hockaday in charge of a much reduced budget, more kids and more danger of dropping once again. I expect the charges and interest debt against the club to remain the same though.

We wont go down though chaps !!

 

[Astute]

It will go something like this...

Relegation to league two doesn't change the fact that we remain totally determined to deliver a strong and stable long-term future for the club and you, our fans. For the first time in years, we are pleased to say the club is financially stable thanks to hard work, tough and sometimes unpopular decisions.


We share your ambitions for Coventry City Football Club. We want to see the club succeed on and off the pitch and this requires long-term planning to build a sustainable and solid club. As part of this commitment, we will develop and progress local talent through our Academy to the first team.


We also want to ensure that the club is a community asset as the community is the source of our support and we want to build on the great work of the Sky Blues in The Community by attracting the next generation of Sky Blues’ supporters through their many initiatives and programmes.


But, if we are to make this happen we must own our stadium. We need access to our own revenues not just on match days but every other day as this is the only way we can only achieve a strong and stable financial base that will enable us to compete successfully with other football clubs.

 

[Ashdown]

It will go something like this...

Relegation to league two doesn't change the fact that we remain totally determined to deliver a strong and stable long-term future for the club and you, our fans. For the first time in years, we are pleased to say the club is financially stable thanks to hard work, tough and sometimes unpopular decisions.


We share your ambitions for Coventry City Football Club. We want to see the club succeed on and off the pitch and this requires long-term planning to build a sustainable and solid club. As part of this commitment, we will develop and progress local talent through our Academy to the first team.


We also want to ensure that the club is a community asset as the community is the source of our support and we want to build on the great work of the Sky Blues in The Community by attracting the next generation of Sky Blues’ supporters through their many initiatives and programmes.


But, if we are to make this happen we must own our stadium. We need access to our own revenues not just on match days but every other day as this is the only way we can only achieve a strong and stable financial base that will enable us to compete successfully with other football clubs.

Kin 'ell mate they will just copy and paste that !!

 

[Moff]

It will go something like this...

Relegation to league two doesn't change the fact that we remain totally determined to deliver a strong and stable long-term future for the club and you, our fans. For the first time in years, we are pleased to say the club is financially stable thanks to hard work, tough and sometimes unpopular decisions.


We share your ambitions for Coventry City Football Club well the ambitions of anyone who want to see the team playing the might of Kenilworth Town or Bulkington United in the Beazer Homes Z League. We want to see the club succeed on and off the pitch and this requires long-term planning to build a sustainable and solid club. As part of this commitment , we will develop and progress local talent through our Academy to the first team.


We also want to ensure that the club is a community asset as the community is the source of our support and we want to build on the great work of the Sky Blues in The Community by attracting the next generation of Sky Blues’ supporters through their many initiatives and programmes.


But, if we are to make this happen we must own our stadium. We need access to our own revenues not just on match days but every other day as this is the only way we can only achieve a strong and stable financial base that will enable us to compete successfully with other football clubs.

Amended for you!

 

[Astute]

Amended for you!

That is for after next season

 

[stevefloyd]

They will probably run their hands with glee after being able to right off more tax losses

 

[MichaelCCFC]

Originally Posted by CCFC
They will just the playing bill and we will meander around L2 for years to come.



Agreed. Revenue doesn't decrease by that much between L1 and L2 compared to championship to L1, plus FFP rules are slightly tighter. They will just continue to try and run the club break even in L2.

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That is what I'd always assumed but question being suggested now seems to be that it's a struggle to identify any obviously saleable players (would even Madison yet command anything like a decent fee) so ST sales become critical. If they fell to say 2k would that be enough to make it worthwhile for sisu to continue. The same argument could possibly even apply if we stay up.

 

[CCFCKirky]

What will they do?
Another crappy 5 point plan that they have no intention of honouring! All talk no action as normal

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Remind me what Plan A was exactly...

'Empire' acquisition on a shoestring with a contingency to blame someone else(AKA CCC) for their p*&s poor management.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

That is what I'd always assumed but question being suggested now seems to be that it's a struggle to identify any obviously saleable players (would even Madison yet command anything like a decent fee) so ST sales become critical. If they fell to say 2k would that be enough to make it worthwhile for sisu to continue. The same argument could possibly even apply if we stay up.

They would just cut the wage bill accordingly. About 70% of our squad are out of contract so not hard to do.

 

[Covstu]

I think the more important question is around what are SISU's plans if we stay up!

 

[The Penguin]

I think the more important question is around what are SISU's plans if we stay up!

I'm pretty sure they're planning the following:

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.....erm, and that's it

 

[Ashdown]

What will they do?
Another crappy 5 point plan that they have no intention of honouring! All talk no action as normal

Yet I'm sure you said you will buy a Season Ticket whatever ?

 

[CCFCKirky]

Yet I'm sure you said you will buy a Season Ticket whatever ?

i will and I stand by that, I'm just saying that SISU will do what they always do which is fill us with false promises and not back them up.

 

[no_loyalty]

They have not had a credible plan since they bought the club and we have not had a proper football man on the inside since Ranson left however good or bad he was. Plan A was buy the club move the debt and hope for promotion on a shoe string budget their by making a huge profit on a resale, their was and is no plan B. They did not factor in loosing everything alienating the fan base, local community, local charity and council. They do not have a clue on how to run a football business and I believe they are locked in until someone with a lottery win or deep pockets pays them to fuck off, until then the spiral of managers and relegations will continue.

Couldn't agree more. Ranson was badly let down by Sisu I believe?, he understood Sisu were going to purchase 50% of the stadium and put down 20M for player purchases

 

[Sub]

blame everybody else for us getting relegated.

 

[Astute]

I think the more important question is around what are SISU's plans if we stay up!

Most probably the same as last season but hope whatever manager we have does a better job than SP.

 

[skybluepm2]

If we go down again, I wonder if TF will release a statement on the Website an hour after the game apologizing profusely, how they plan to be more open and lead a Promotion charge like he did after Thorn took us down. Maybe the Club shop (or pasting table as it should now be known) will issue 'League 2 Tour' T-Shirts.....That went well! It's some tour!!!

 

[MichaelCCFC]

They would just cut the wage bill accordingly. About 70% of our squad are out of contract so not hard to do.

Don't disagree and this is what I always assumed. But current situation seems to be leading to some speculation that there must be a minimum level of income sisu require to keep going - in a hypothetical scenario if we are relegated, no players sold and 1k STs purchased, would that minimum income be achieved? If we stay up, no player sales and 3k ST sales would that be sufficient income?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Don't disagree and this is what I always assumed. But current situation seems to be leading to some speculation that there must be a minimum level of income sisu require to keep going - in a hypothetical scenario if we are relegated, no players sold and 1k STs purchased, would that minimum income be achieved? If we stay up, no player sales and 3k ST sales would that be sufficient income?

They'd probably just release everyone whose contract is up and replace them with academy players/ conference journeymen.

 

[chiefdave]

Don't think there would be any change to be honest. They are running, or at least attempting to run, the club in a self sufficient manner. If they achieve that they can stick around pretty much indefinitely without putting more money in hoping some miracle happens that gets them a return.

To get rid of them would mean someone coming in with an offer they deem acceptable and given the lack of a ground, falling crowds etc who on earth would see us as a target. We need to find a billionaire fan!

 

[Paxman II]

We are not going down. It would take a very unusual and bizarre twist of results to do that even if we lose. Please stop the pessimism and look forward to TM in charge next season.

 

[johnwillomagic]

Erm they would carry on regardless get rid of most of the dead wood to cut the wage bill.....with most of the big side going up from league 1 and small sides coming down in Millwall, Wigan and Blackpool all of which are not attended in numbers the revenue streams by going down would probably not be too severely cut.

 

[Gazolba]

the revenue streams by going down would probably not be too severely cut.

I don't know what their revenue streams are but the attendances would drop significantly after relegation to L2. They would have to reduce prices to encourage people to go. At some point, it would no longer be financially feasible to continue playing at the Ricoh.

Also to whoever said we would be languishing in L2 for years, I disagree, I see a fairly quick exit from the Football League. Look at what happened to Tranmere Rovers. They were near the top of L1 in 2013, then got relegated from L1 and then L2 in successive years. 94 years in the Football League and now they are gone.

 

[Gazolba]

We are not going down. It would take a very unusual and bizarre twist of results to do that even if we lose.

If we lose, Crewe just need to win at home and Notts Co win away against a team with nothing to play for. Not so bizarre in my opinion! I'd put it somewhere between possible and probable.

 

[skybluelee]

If we lose, Crewe just need to win at home and Notts Co win away against a team with nothing to play for. Not so bizarre in my opinion! I'd put it somewhere between possible and probable.

Crewe would only need a draw.

I am more worried now than I was at the start of the week. TMs comments about not needing to win has fuelled that fear.

 

[Astute]

Crewe would only need a draw.

I am more worried now than I was at the start of the week. TMs comments about not needing to win has fuelled that fear.

All TM came out with was the truth. We don't need to win. A draw keeps us up whatever all the other clubs do. When he took over we were in the bottom 4. The teams above us were pulling away. It is good to have a manager say it as it is after having SP. He didn't say that we could stay up even if we lose although this is true.

We have 6 clubs below us and 2 points out of the bottom 3 with a better GD. Two of them can't catch us whatever. One more needs us to lose, them win and also turn around a GD of 8 whilst playing 2nd in the table who need a win to get promoted. Can't see that happening. This leaves us with 3 clubs below us that can go past us. We have a better GD than all of them. Two of them need to win with us losing (yes I know we are playing one of them) and the other club must better our result. I would have settled for this when we got rid of SP. After the Sheff Utd debacle we were in 22nd and 5 points away from 19th place. We are now in 18th and have it all in our own hands. Like he said we don't have to win.

 

[oldskyblue58]

We are not going down. It would take a very unusual and bizarre twist of results to do that even if we lose. Please stop the pessimism and look forward to TM in charge next season.

Whilst I think you are probably right Paxman it only takes three 1 nil wins to put us down which would be neither bizarre or unusual ...... bit too close for comfort

 

[Astute]

Whilst I think you are probably right Paxman it only takes three 1 nil wins to put us down which would be neither bizarre or unusual ...... bit too close for comfort

Or even 0-0 that could save both of us. One thing is for sure. I will not be enjoying Sunday.

 

[steveecov]

Whatever league we are in without extra investment (obviously not forthcoming from SISU), next years squad will have to be assembled on a lower budget. I know that doesn't have to mean a weaker team, but if TM goes, Hock and SW could be charged with the building from new squad....God help us.