If you have any feelings towards Coventry City football club (8 Viewers)

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
You go to support the club not the owners.

So long as we're treating them as separate entities then, fans have turned their backs on the owners, not the club.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
So long as we're treating them as separate entities then, fans have turned their backs on the owners, not the club.

Which is fair enough, so their hatred of SISU is greater than their love for the club.

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
Which is fair enough, so their hatred of SISU is greater than their love for the club.

Or their love of the club is greater than a selfish need to see a football match?

See how anything can be spinned?

LB87ccfc · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
Which is fair enough, so their hatred of SISU is greater than their love for the club.

Who owns the club? who is making this football club what it is?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
Or their love of the club is greater than a selfish need to see a football match?

See how anything can be spinned?

If it was just about seeing a football match there are plenty of other clubs to go see, people go to see Coventry because thats there club. Are you saying those who are staying away are doing it for the 'greater good' and that the low attendances are beneficial to the club?

I don't spin, I just say it as it is.

robbieray · Feb 10, 2015

wal3590 said:
Just had a text off somebody at the academy saying he has loads of free tickets and cant get rid of them. I've had a free ticket all season and still feel pretty deflated when thinking about going, so not too sure admission prices is the reason the majority stay away. The complete absence of any kind of atmosphere added together with the woeful performances combined with a total feeling of apathy is probably the main reason. The buzz I used to get walking into Highfield Road.....

We could have used these free tickets then give the money to charity, that way we go and support the team but the money will go to good cause

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

LB87ccfc said:
Who owns the club? who is making this football club what it is?

SISU, but I don't support them I support Coventry City.

hill83 · Feb 10, 2015

No.

1. My season ticket is at my dads

2. No

Gosford Green · Feb 10, 2015

That year in Northampton and the contempt SISU show towards fans has lead me to not see it as my club anymore.

Singing SISU out at the same time as paying them money is in the running for contradiction of the week award.

I will skip tonight.

ecky · Feb 10, 2015

fernandopartridge said:
Ecky and bigfatronssba - why are you on here then?

I love city have done since my dad, grand dad and me as a 4 year old stood on a milk crate borrowed from the little tea/pie shop by the crows nest.

I have seen some great games at highfield, some desperate times and troubled times..but nothing compares to what we have now.

I have spent thousands over the years home and away taking both my sons with me, now i'm 50 I am making my own protest along with fellow friends over our deplorable owners and the damage they have inflicted on my club..

I am waiting for change and it will come, eventually...in the mean time it doesn't stop me contributing to the conversations on this web site.

We will be back one day..one day in the future and that's what keeps me going.

fernandopartridge · Feb 10, 2015

ecky said:
I love city have done since my dad, grand dad and me as a 4 year old stood on a milk crate borrowed from the little tea/pie shop by the crows nest.

I have seen some great games at highfield, some desperate times and troubled times..but nothing compares to what we have now.

I have spent thousands over the years home and away taking both my sons with me, now i'm 50 I am making my own protest along with fellow friends over our deplorable owners and the damage they have inflicted on my club..

I am waiting for change and it will come, eventually...in the mean time it doesn't stop me contributing to the conversations on this web site.

We will be back one day..one day in the future and that's what keeps me going.

Fair enough

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
If it was just about seeing a football match there are plenty of other clubs to go see, people go to see Coventry because thats there club. Are you saying those who are staying away are doing it for the 'greater good' and that the low attendances are beneficial to the club?

I don't spin, I just say it as it is.

Getting rid of Sisu would be up there with the greatest achievements in CCFC's history.

In some peoples mind staying away will help accelerate Sisu's departure by costing them more money to run the club.

Therefore, in their opinion, short term low attendances are good for the long term future of the club.

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 10, 2015

@ ecky...A superb post mate. One I have got a great deal of empathy with.

Kingokings204 · Feb 10, 2015

fernandopartridge said:
Fair enough

Yes it is and sadly how many people feel.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 10, 2015

skybluelee said:
I still care about the club (although I have to admit its waning) but won't be going due to being at work 200 miles away. Am I excused, Pete?

bigfatronssba said:
Getting rid of Sisu would be up there with the greatest achievements in CCFC's history.

In some peoples mind staying away will help accelerate Sisu's departure by costing them more money to run the club.

Therefore, in their opinion, short term low attendances are good for the long term future of the club.

And if they're wrong?

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

Sky Blue Pete said:
And if they're wrong?

Then it wont make any difference will it?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
Getting rid of Sisu would be up there with the greatest achievements in CCFC's history.

In some peoples mind staying away will help accelerate Sisu's departure by costing them more money to run the club.

Therefore, in their opinion, short term low attendances are good for the long term future of the club.

How well has their plan gone so far?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
Then it wont make any difference will it?

Well it will make a difference as it will just help drive us further down the league pyramid.

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
How well has their plan gone so far?

We wont know that until sisu go will we?

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
Well it will make a difference as it will just help drive us further down the league pyramid.

How will it do that then?

Nonleagueherewecome · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
You go to support the club not the owners.

Used to every game, but then the owners moved the club to Northampton. A large part of my love for the club died during that year away and the owners are going to have to work very hard to win me back regularly, especially at that gate price. So far they haven't done a very good job of that...

Johnrambo · Feb 10, 2015

Sky Blue Pete said:
You need to go and support them tonight...... No excuses

Sorry, cant make the trip from Denmark.

Ashdown · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
Well it will make a difference as it will just help drive us further down the league pyramid.

SISU are driving us down the pyramid, it's SISU who are making all the decisions, imposing management charges and paying themselves huge chunks of debt interest, it's SISU who have given the manager a glut of kids and a handful of short term loanees to work with and it's SISU who picked the organ grinder who seems to be making a lot of errors with his latest collection of monkeys.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
How will it do that then?

Less supporters, less money, worse team, relegation more likely.

If people staying away from the club don't achieve there aim to make SISU leave, then its only result will be detrimental to the club. Simple really.

I might be missing your point but are you saying it makes absolutely no difference if we have 5k or 20k attending under SISU?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
We wont know that until sisu go will we?

Well attendances have been declining since they came in so its fair to say up until now the plan has been unsuccessful.

Cov kid 55 · Feb 10, 2015

Sky Blue Pete said:
You need to go and support them tonight...... No excuses

Pete, I'm sorry, I have to make an excuse, I can't make it tonight! But I'm with you and the boys in spirit - it's a big game so good luck to all the fans there this evening, and to SP and the team! PUSB!!

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
Less supporters, less money, worse team, relegation more likely.

If people staying away from the club don't achieve there aim to make SISU leave, then its only result will be detrimental to the club. Simple really.

I might be missing your point but are you saying it makes absolutely no difference if we have 5k or 20k attending under SISU?

When considering loan interest & legal fees I am willing to wager the club is currently loss making. If income was to increase (due to higher attendances), what scenario do you think is more likely?

A) Sisu use this extra money to improve the squad.

B) Sisu use this extra money for club running costs, reducing what they have to put in.

If its B, then its not going to make a jot of difference to our league position.

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
Well attendances have been declining since they came in so its fair to say up until now the plan has been unsuccessful.

Well there up about 7k on last season.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
When considering loan interest & legal fees I am willing to wager the club is currently loss making. If income was to increase (due to higher attendances), what scenario do you think is more likely?

A) Sisu use this extra money to improve the squad.

B) Sisu use this extra money for club running costs, reducing what they have to put in.

If its B, then its not going to make a jot of difference to our league position.

It would depend on how much the losses are (which is only speculation on your part, if Fishers comment about cash flow positive is interpreted as break even then all the extra revenue could go towards the team, although it could mean something different) and also how much the extra revenue the club would get from increased attendances, you forgot option C
C) Revenues continues to decrease because of dwindling attendances, SISU further cut the playing squad as they don't want to increase their funding. If this doesn't get rid of SISU as the goal is then its only effect is further damaging to the club.

Well there up about 7k on last season.

Maybe we should have stayed at Sixfields then, starve them out quicker.
Completely skirted the point anyway, dwindling attendances for the past however many years and they haven't even come close to leaving

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 10, 2015

@ CCFC.......5k-10k-20k-25k.....None of those figures have bothered SISU up to now mate. They did f**k all about investment in the team when we were getting 20k-25k crowds. So why would it bother them getting 4k-5k? Remind me....What is the rent deal atm? Whatever it is, SISU are saving about 800k-900k per year? on rent deal as opposed to when they went on rent strike £1.3m or am I wrong?

Ashdown · Feb 10, 2015

It's all about trust 'CCFC' and nobody trusts the hedge fund to do the right thing with any extra funds anyway. I used to fight the cause like you, I bloody dragged people up to see the City, including all my kids and paid for all of them, I felt like I was contributing, not now, they've trashed any affinity I feel with their despicable actions. I was willing to give them a chance when we came back to Cov but then they started all the bullshit again ! I might well be back now and again but it's not a must now it's a maybe !

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Feb 10, 2015

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ CCFC.......5k-10k-20k-25k.....None of those figures have bothered SISU up to now mate. They did f**k all about investment in the team when we were getting 20k-25k crowds. So why would it bother them getting 4k-5k? Remind me....What is the rent deal atm? Whatever it is, SISU are saving about 800k-900k per year? on rent deal as opposed to when they went on rent strike £1.3m or am I wrong?

So if they aren't bothered about attendances, why is the logic being used that staying away will make them leave?

And they did invest to a degree initially anyway until they changed there strategy, also point out at that time when we were getting 20k running costs were much higher with wages and high rent as well as other things.

hutch1972 · Feb 10, 2015

chiefdave said:
Aren't they only allowed to do reduced admission for a certain number of games? Sure I read that somewhere, could be wrong.

That is a myth, a club can charge what it likes for entry to league matches but it must include away fans in all but a set number of games.

bigfatronssba · Feb 10, 2015

CCFC said:
It would depend on how much the losses are (which is only speculation on your part, if Fishers comment about cash flow positive is interpreted as break even then all the extra revenue could go towards the team, although it could mean something different) and also how much the extra revenue the club would get from increased attendances, you forgot option C
C) Revenues continues to decrease because of dwindling attendances, SISU further cut the playing squad as they don't want to increase their funding. If this doesn't get rid of SISU as the goal is then its only effect is further damaging to the club.

Maybe we should have stayed at Sixfields then, starve them out quicker.
Completely skirted the point anyway, dwindling attendances for the past however many years and they haven't even come close to leaving

Well I don't believe the club is breaking even, just my opinion.

I accept your option C, but then you have to ask, would that make much difference anyway?

As I see it, the club will never progress under Sisu (even if 20k were up there I can only see them using that money to reduce either losses or debt). Therefore, while they are here, we are at best league 1 indefinitely.

So we're in a situation where we can be a league 1 club for the next 20 years, or we can take a gamble that will result in us being either a league 2 club (if it goes wrong), or finally start to progress on the pitch and maybe get back to the championship (if it goes right).

Interesting thing about Sixfields is the low attendances there are what brought us back.

As for all the other years, they have only been declining significantly in the last few years. In between Sisu taking over in Dec 2007, and Fisher becoming chairman in early 2012, they fell by about 4k. A gradual decline in attendances like that should have been easy for the club to adapt to.

A short sharp decline is much harder to budget for however (like the one that brought the club back from Sixfields), and could cause some movement.

Grendel · Feb 10, 2015

Big Ron goes to wasps games - I doubt if he gives any thought to the solvency position when he goes.

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