The NHS is already one of the most efficient and effective health care systems in the world, why would we want to privatise it? You're not going to get bupa / Harley street service, you'll get a Ryanair version. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/17/nhs-health and I don't think MrTrench was suggesting we make a profit from the health service, he meant water, gas, electric, rail, etc.
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RegulationYou seem adamant to want to privatise the NHS, which is already one of the most efficient health care systems which is envied by most countries. Ok let's say we privatise it, what level of saving will the government expect when it goes out to tender? 10%,15%,20%? Then whatever that is, the private company will be wanting to make 10-20% profit, so do you think the private industry will be able to deliver the quality NHS service (yes, it could be a lot worse) for 60-70% of the present budget? What happens when the service impacts on the profit margin? Refuse treatment? Reduce the number of ambulance's? Reduce the number of doctors? And where does that lead you? Higher waiting lists, more avoidable deaths, etc.
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I have worked for private companies and public. My experience is it is an absolute myth that public sector throws away money - where I have worked is far, far more efficient than any private...
As with anywhere, there are efficient and inefficient areas in public sector and also private sector.
But IMO privatisation isn't the answer - we need to address the issue directly.
Wouldn't have been as profitable as they are now so it's a false question really.Maggie already opened those stable doors, so far all Dave's got away with is letting the postie go on the cheap.
Interestingly, I wonder how much would be in the public kitty now IF they hadn't got away with selling off the water, the railways, the airways, the gas, the electricity, the telecoms? All that profit going back into the system, rather than making the cats fatter. We may even be able to afford the missiles our Dave's about to launch against Syria.
Sod it though, we're all in this together after all, treat everybody as equal and we can all pay the same. I should scrape by with 50% of my £30K to live on, bloke next door on minimum wage, fuck him, let him go to poundland or a food bank if he can't make ends meet, he should have been more careful when he got run over by that drunk driver and lost a leg...just a shame that banker up the road will have struggle on 50% of £200K, he'll only be able to afford three holidays this year.
And not use it as an excuse to cut budgets and cut jobs, as that doesn't solve any underlying issues.
All that means is you get less of a service! And sometimes... no service.
Is that a lot really? What percentage is that?Level of cuts getting scary now! How can you cut £200m more from local councils public health budget. Such shocking short terminism and will leave councils with impossible decisions on adult care
Level of cuts getting scary now! How can you cut £200m more from local councils public health budget. Such shocking short terminism and will leave councils with impossible decisions on adult care
It's not just that Pete, it's up to 40% of government departments. They've cut waste as much as they can, so it'll have to be personnel. And they want to slash the welfare budget, so it's get a job or starve. Thank god for minimum wage and zero hours contracts, just as long as you can jump the queue over those Poles.
MY TWOPENNETH.
Inheritance tax giveaway. Obscene & morally indefensible. Rich getting richer. Wealth gap widening.
MY TWOPENNETH.
TRIDENT Replacement: approx. £125- 200 billion waste of money.
HS2: approx. £60-80 billion waste of money. Rich getting richer. Wealth gap widening.
Sale of public housing stock: Stupid, immoral, short-term & obscene when faced with the fact we spend over £25Billion on housing benefit every year.....a large chunk of which goes straight into the back pocket of slum landlords..... Rich getting richer. Wealth gap widening.
Inheritance tax giveaway. Obscene & morally indefensible. Rich getting richer. Wealth gap widening.
PFI: Massive massive rip off and yet more public money trousered by the corporates. Rich getting richer. Wealth gap widening.
Privatisation of the Royal Mail: Scandalously undersold..... Rich getting richer. Wealth gap widening.
However....Anyone who believes the NHS or local government departments cannot be run more efficiently without cutting front-line services is, in my view, an idiot......
...Of course, making these organisations more efficient & productive would require people of actual competence being in positions to make said efficiency savings.....something often sadly lacking in my experience.
Really?
I come from a large family and didn't have lots of money growing up. I worked hard and went to university and now got a decent job, bought my first house. I plan on working really hard to give any kids I might have a good start. I pay enough tax as it is on my income and everything else. If I leave my child a house worth £500k, why should they then have to pay a huge chunk of inheritance tax on that? About £70,000 tax? Be paying tax twice....
Why should your kids get a tax break cos their dad did OK?
They would still receive a massive lump of cash for doing nothing except being lucky....and then more cash after the tax.
You won't be paying tax twice as you won't have paid capital gains on the increased value of your properties or investments despite its above inflation rises.
Only 5% of deaths in 2013/14 were subjected to the tax (on the old lower threshold) so the new threshold will only benefit the top 2% of population.....this while they're cutting benefits from children in poverty & people with cancer....that's why its obscene.
It reinforces the money goes to money tradition of the upper middle class Tories.
A fairer system would encourage more to downsize in their later years...reducing the number of property rich-cash poor pensioners & also freeing up valuable much need family sized housing stock.
Its the principle of it that stick in my throat......basically in a nutshell.....its kids getting rich & paying no tax on huge lumps of cash just cos they were born lucky.
....and for the record, this isn't coming from a bitter skint perspective.....my kids will have to pay the tax when I pop my clogs...
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However....Anyone who believes the NHS or local government departments cannot be run more efficiently without cutting front-line services is, in my view, an idiot......
...Of course, making these organisations more efficient & productive would require people of actual competence being in positions to make said efficiency savings.....something often sadly lacking in my experience.
It's hard to disagree with much of that, although I think we DO need a nuclear deterrent with the likes of Putin posturing all the time.
I understand your point. Also, thanks for having a civilized debate without firing obscenities at me for having a different opinion - people struggle with that on here.
I just think that surely it's my decision who I gift my possessions to when I die? Fine, if you want to work out he difference between inflation and the appreciation of my assets or investments then fine, tax that like income tax.
I also don't get the "luck" argument. It's not luck if i've worked hard to give me child a better chance. I know that you're looking at it from the childs point of view, but then surely by the same token it's not fair to send your children to better schools just because you can afford it? Buying them clothes, a car, etc etc.
Nice of Cameron to try and take jobs away from Coventry :jerkit:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-33638634
I understand your point. Also, thanks for having a civilized debate without firing obscenities at me for having a different opinion - people struggle with that on here.
I just think that surely it's my decision who I gift my possessions to when I die? Fine, if you want to work out he difference between inflation and the appreciation of my assets or investments then fine, tax that like income tax.
I also don't get the "luck" argument. It's not luck if i've worked hard to give me child a better chance. I know that you're looking at it from the childs point of view, but then surely by the same token it's not fair to send your children to better schools just because you can afford it? Buying them clothes, a car, etc etc.
How about the luck to have been born in the 50's rather than the 90's
The golden generation who experienced possibly 3 housing booms during their lifetime and all that comes from that, second homes on the continent etc, free University, Gideon buying votes with bonds with. enhanced Interest levels just prior to the Election?
I could go on .
How about the luck to have been born in the 50's rather than the 90's
The golden generation who experienced possibly 3 housing booms during their lifetime and all that comes from that, second homes on the continent etc, free University, Gideon buying votes with bonds with. enhanced Interest levels just prior to the Election?
I could go on .
I see a lot of people who must have 50's kids playing golf and having holidays etc, as a 70's child I have no chance of a retirement let alone a retirement where I can do things unless my numbers come in.
...or unless you're lucky enough for your 50s born parents to a) own property and b) not to need nursing care.
Let's face it, if we can all get online we're probably lucky in a world sense but... naive not to suggest inheritance is anything but luck.
How about the luck to have been born in the 50's rather than the 90's
The golden generation who experienced possibly 3 housing booms during their lifetime and all that comes from that, second homes on the continent etc, free University, Gideon buying votes with bonds with. enhanced Interest levels just prior to the Election?
I could go on .
...or unless you're lucky enough for your 50s born parents to a) own property and b) not to need nursing care.
Let's face it, if we can all get online we're probably lucky in a world sense but... naive not to suggest inheritance is anything but luck.
So all 70's kids have no chance of retirement then (unless their parents were rich of course)?I see a lot of people who must have 50's kids playing golf and having holidays etc, as a 70's child I have no chance of a retirement let alone a retirement where I can do things unless my numbers come in.
So all 70's kids have no chance of retirement then (unless their parents were rich of course)?
Funny...my boss at work is absolutely laughing. From Bradford and from a family of 9. Didn't have 2 pennies to rub together growing up. Could comfortably retire now I reckon, got a property he rents out and no mortgage on his own. Couple of other people are work like that too.
Still...cause you were born in the 70s you have no chance....
So all 70's kids have no chance of retirement then (unless their parents were rich of course)?
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