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rob9872 · May 30, 2024

Tbf to the op Robins is definitely an admirer and they had a good long chat together at the end of our game with them. Not saying there is anything in it, but he definitely fits our profile is an area we need to strengthen, ball park budget and available after relegation, so wouldn't be the biggest stretch to suggest we might be interested. If he sees how other players have developed here I would think we're near the top of his list too. I'd give this an 8/10 on the rumour mill, high indeed with all the bullshit flying around at this time of year.

CCFCSteve · May 30, 2024

TomRad85 said:
Come on now
I know you're down on this signing for some reason but it's nothing like Tavares. Rodrigues is more of a Tavares style punt if anything.

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He’s played 80 games in the championship at the age of 22 for starters

Come on shmmeee bit early to be downbeat…don’t even know if we’ve bid for him

Winny the Bish · May 30, 2024

SeaSeeEffCee said:
Aren’t the things he’s got spot on just him saying ‘there is going to be an announcement today’ every day until there finally is an announcement?

His entire shtick is saying “5pm announcement” and being wrong 9 out of 10 times

skybluecam · May 30, 2024

shmmeee said:
But Saka was a fans favourite and as I say Gus has insane stats. Rudoni sounds more like a Tavares or whatever that might come good. Like I say maybe that’s the fees you pay these days but just crazy money for me for players who are yet to perform at any level.

That's a ridiculous comment.

Rudoni has been a nailed on starter in the championship this season. In fact, he has comparable/better stats to Palmer while playing for a much worse team.

TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

shmmeee said:
He’s a “might come good” “can fill a few positions”, all a bit uninspiring for £2m.

I suppose closer to a Latibeaudiere? Same age. But much more expensive.

Think he's a good Championship player who looked good in a shite team tbh. Let's see anyway, it might not even be real.

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shmmeee · May 30, 2024

skybluecam said:
That's a ridiculous comment.

Rudoni has been a nailed on starter in the championship this season. In fact, he has comparable/better stats to Palmer while playing for a much worse team.

Save me @Frostie (or I think @Evo1883 ) give us one of those fancy comparison graphs from the stats app for Palmer vs Rudoni

baldy · May 30, 2024

shmmeee said:
Save me @Frostie (or I think @Evo1883 ) give us one of those fancy comparison graphs from the stats app for Palmer vs Rudoni

As if Rudoni can be compared to a Tavares type player ffs - you must have only started following football last week

Winny the Bish · May 30, 2024

shmmeee said:
Save me @Frostie (or I think @Evo1883 ) give us one of those fancy comparison graphs from the stats app for Palmer vs Rudoni

skybluecam · May 30, 2024

shmmeee said:
Save me @Frostie (or I think @Evo1883 ) give us one of those fancy comparison graphs from the stats app for Palmer vs Rudoni

TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

shmmeee said:
Save me @Frostie (or I think @Evo1883 ) give us one of those fancy comparison graphs from the stats app for Palmer vs Rudoni

I'm not sure how much graphs can tell you at times when one player is playing in a significantly better team than another. I already know I'd have him over Palmer without seeing any graph.

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Evo1883 · May 30, 2024

shmmeee said:
Save me @Frostie (or I think @Evo1883 ) give us one of those fancy comparison graphs from the stats app for Palmer vs Rudoni

You'd hope that palmer had a better season anyway tbh

TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
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So even playing in a garbage team the stats are generally better tbf.

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shepardo01 · May 30, 2024

CCFCSteve said:
He’s played 80 games in the championship at the age of 22 for starters

Come on shmmeee bit early to be downbeat…don’t even know if we’ve bid for him

ACL a week after signing incoming!...

Winny the Bish · May 30, 2024

Rudoni is a creative wasteland of a midfielder. Haji Wright created as many chances as he did this season. And he missed more big chances than any midfielder in the league last season.

shepardo01 · May 30, 2024

skybluecam said:
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So he's better in the air than Palmer then.

Winny the Bish · May 30, 2024

TomRad85 said:
So even playing in a garbage team the stats are generally better tbf.

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Palmer played the equivalent of 14 less 90-minute games than Rudoni and created 6 more chances. Van Ewijk created more last season than Rudoni.

TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
Palmer played the equivalent of 14 less 90-minute games than Rudoni and created 6 more chances. Van Ewijk created more last season than Rudoni.

I mean, there's a lot of stats to pick from there mate.

TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

I think Robins would be a particularly interested in the possession won in final 3rd and interceptions. Palmer of course basically just stands still after he's pissed the ball away.

Winny the Bish · May 30, 2024

TomRad85 said:
I mean, there's a lot of stats to pick from there mate.

Sorry for wanting our main attacking midfielder to be someone who can create for Ellis Simms and Haji Wright rather than a run around a lot merchant

skybluecam · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
Palmer played the equivalent of 14 less 90-minute games than Rudoni and created 6 more chances. Van Ewijk created more last season than Rudoni.

Chances created is a low quality stat imo, assuming this is Opta's methodology.

It's just assists + passes to a player who shoots. So doesn't really describe that much about creating good chances, just means the receiver had a shot.

TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
Sorry for wanting our main attacking midfielder to be someone who can create for Ellis Simms and Haji Wright rather than a run around a lot merchant

Lol and you think Palmer is that man? Hopefully Robins doesn't agree.

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TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

I'd like to point out I stuck with Palmer for quite a while because I do like footballers who try and entertain but unfortunately he's just one of the most frustrating footballers I've ever watched and I don't need to stare at a fucking graph to tell me that, I just watch the game.

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Winny the Bish · May 30, 2024

TomRad85 said:
Lol and you think Palmer is that man? Hopefully Robins doesn't agree.

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In an ideal world I’d have Jarne Steuckers or Nanasi doing it, but yes if the only two options are stick with Palmer or spend £2-3m on Rudoni I’d pick Palmer.

TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
In an ideal world I’d have Jarne Steuckers or Nanasi doing it, but yes if the only two options are stick with Palmer or spend £2-3m on Rudoni I’d pick Palmer.

Well I've looked at Nanasi and I'd agree on that but fully disagree on Palmer.

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Winny the Bish · May 30, 2024

TomRad85 said:
Well I've looked at Nanasi and I'd agree on that but fully disagree on Palmer.

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That’s fair, it’s a game of opinions. I just think if we are going to spend money on the position we could do better than Rudoni at the price.

TomRad85 · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
That’s fair, it’s a game of opinions. I just think if we are going to spend money on the position we could do better than Rudoni at the price.

Possibly, although foreign imports don't always work. We've been good at it recently I must admit but some other clubs are awful at it.

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eyesee · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
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1.56 shots per 90?
i know what he needs. he needs 25000 people to shout SHOT at him.

rob9872 · May 30, 2024

eyesee said:
1.56 shots per 90?
i know what he needs. he needs 25000 people to shout SHOT at him.

SHOOT would be better

eyesee · May 30, 2024

rob9872 said:
SHOOT would be better

ha!
i stand erected.

shmmeee · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
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skybluecam said:
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These did not help

David O'Day · May 30, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
Sorry for wanting our main attacking midfielder to be someone who can create for Ellis Simms and Haji Wright rather than a run around a lot merchant

Creating chances also requires players who can get in good positions so players in poorer teams will create less chances.

shmmeee · May 30, 2024

TomRad85 said:
Well I've looked at Nanasi and I'd agree on that but fully disagree on Palmer.

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Grass is always greener mate. Stats seem pretty conclusive. As an AM he’s worse than Palmer, maybe slightly better as a goal scorer but hardly Haji Wright.

Sick Boy · May 30, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
What’s he got on the money? What have I missed?

Pretty sure it was to do with STs.

eyesee · May 30, 2024

what's our thoughts of robins' strike rate with regards to signings?
clearly, he thinks he sees something in all the players he's signed.
has it got it badly wrong that often??

nunchuckas · May 30, 2024

When will people learn. IF Robins does end up signing Rudoni, it will be because he thinks he has the right attributes, capacity to learn the system(s) we want, and the potential to improve his performances, output, and therefore, his value.

We don't sign finished articles, we sign rough diamonds because of the players they can, potentially, become.

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