...increase in migrants across the Channel. (3 Viewers)

Sumo the Micky Quinn · Jan 11, 2019

Just 3 articles picked up in the Coventry Telegraph, New Housing estate planned for Nuneaton.
If you read the articles there is a question box to pick your answer.
Percentage wise, Nuneaton residents say there is NO NEED for NEW Houses.

Mammoth housing estate with 850 homes set for green light
"It would be one of the biggest housing estate Nuneaton has seen in years"

Work on FIFTH housing development in north of Nuneaton to start in the New Year
"There will be another up to 360 homes built"

Plans for 600 new houses in Nuneaton
"If given the go-ahead it will be the SIXTH new housing development in the area"

skybluetony176 · Jan 11, 2019

chiefdave said:
Yes just Cov, well it will be the area Cov Council cover which might not exactly match the city boundaries but will be pretty close.

Problem is developers can sit on the land. That then forces the council to unlock greenfield sites to meet the new housing requirements, land also owned by the developers, who can then build nice new estates that make them a much bigger profit margin.

Exactly. I worked as a contractor on new housing developments for many a year for companies like Bloors, Wimpy, Westbury Homes and when they were taken over Persimmons too. Of those the only one with any interest in brown field sites was Bloors, maybe because they were smaller and still privately owned. The others had brown field sites but the only time I worked on one was with Wimpy and I think they only used them for young new site foremen to cut their teeth. Every site I worked on for Westbury or Persimmons was greenfield. In fact I was told by a site foreman at the time of the Persimmons takeover the only reason Persimmons wanted Westbury was because they had the largest land bank in the industry at the time.

fernandopartridge · Jan 11, 2019

Marty said:
I like to think of us as providing a service to the local community, or am I expected to run at a loss? Don't forget most of us are doing it as our pensions will be worth fuck all, so need to supplement it elsewhere.

Everyone demonises BTL landlords, we take all the risk for little reward. Now that they've changed the tax laws on it, it's just not worth getting into any more.

You're not doing it to provide anybody with a home, you're doing it as an investment. It isn't your fault though it's a government and financial system that is in love with an asset bubble and the short term returns it brings.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 11, 2019

clint van damme said:
no, let's stop getting involved in wars in sovereign states.
And it's not about opening borders, but look at the before and after pictures Pete posted, when you're faced with a choice of staying in that situation, fleeing to another country or fleeing towards the Islamists what would you do?
Remember, despite what people on here say, the majority of Syrians have fled over the border to Turkey and no further.
You did call refer to Syria as a third world country before so I'm not sure you have a rudimentary grasp of the situation to be honest.

Exactly, the key word being 'getting' involved. We didn't start those wars, we didn't tell Asad to go mental, and we didn't give instructions to ISIS.

The notion that we should feel overwhelming guilt from the whole country because of a decision made by a few people in government is pretty ridiculous.

For the record, of all the 'migration' to Europe in the last 5 years, this repetitive notion that they are all Syrian is also ridiculous.

Also, given that the population of Syria was 18 million, and given that most of them are still there, or as you say in Turkey... Where are the other millions in Europe actually from?

Saying I don't have a grasp on this is a low blow, equally trying to make out that Syria isn't currently a third world location is also mental.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 11, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Enough do. We are still a wonderful country at heart. Wouldn’t want to ask earlsdon or western thingy for help though

I'm probably one of the kindest people you'll ever meet.

Just because I don't swallow the naive bullshit that everyone coming here is an actual refugee, doesn't mean I don't think genuine refugees shouldn't have a roof over their heads.

The UK is one if the most tolerant countries in the world, which is why its master culture is slowly being allowed to get erased.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 11, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
They’re building an entire new town on the outskirts of Rugby at the moment on the site of the old radio station. There’s space. What there isn’t is an appetite by developers to develop the land that they have in their land banks. The government has changed the law to make it easier to develop these land banks but they’re still reluctant to do so. The reason! Over inflated house prices because of a housing shortage increases their profits and pleases their share holders.
Still. It’s probably easier to blame immigrants so let’s do that instead.

They are building an extension to Hillmorton effectively, though they're pushing it as a new oversized village. It isn't a new town and it is totally unnecessary. Plenty of housing still going up in Cawston and north Rugby near the M6. There is also new housing in Long Lawford .
We are sucking in an extra 200 - 300,000 immigrants a year and so it is right to raise this as a factor in pressure on housing.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 11, 2019

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm probably one of the kindest people you'll ever meet.

Just because I don't swallow the naive bullshit that everyone coming here is an actual refugee, doesn't mean I don't think genuine refugees shouldn't have a roof over their heads.

The UK is one if the most tolerant countries in the world, which is why its master culture is slowly being allowed to get erased.

How are you deciding on the deserving ones then earlsdon

shmmeee · Jan 11, 2019

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm probably one of the kindest people you'll ever meet.

Just because I don't swallow the naive bullshit that everyone coming here is an actual refugee, doesn't mean I don't think genuine refugees shouldn't have a roof over their heads.

The UK is one if the most tolerant countries in the world, which is why its master culture is slowly being allowed to get erased.

How is it being erased?

skybluetony176 · Jan 11, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
They are building an extension to Hillmorton effectively, though they're pushing it as a new oversized village. It isn't a new town and it is totally unnecessary. Plenty of housing still going up in Cawston and north Rugby near the M6. There is also new housing in Long Lawford .
We are sucking in an extra 200 - 300,000 immigrants a year and so it is right to raise this as a factor in pressure on housing.

Not really. It’s the opposite side of the railway and canal, it’s not linked to hillmorton, it’s going all the way up to the A5, they’ve built a new primary school, an academy with more schools planned, shops, pub, over 6000 houses planned and a new link road to Rugby which ends by the junction with Butlers Leap and Clinton Road. RBC are also still not hitting the targets for housing set by the government so clearly it is needed.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 11, 2019

Auschwitz the nazis and the final solution. Just watching on yesterday channel. That’s what happens when you demonise and dehumanise a group of people because of their race. Let’s be careful with how we talk about our fellow human beings

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 11, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Not really. It’s the opposite side of the railway and canal, it’s not linked to hillmorton, it’s going all the way up to the A5, they’ve built a new primary school, an academy with more schools planned, shops, pub, over 6000 houses planned and a new link road to Rugby which ends by the junction with Butlers Leap and Clinton Road. RBC are also still not hitting the targets for housing set by the government so clearly it is needed.

It is if it's Houlton, once hailed as the new "town centre" of Rugby. Will be snapped up by opportunist landlords who will let them to those working near DIRFT and distribution centres on the A5.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 11, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Auschwitz the nazis and the final solution. Just watching on yesterday channel. That’s what happens when you demonise and dehumanise a group of people because of their race. Let’s be careful with how we talk about our fellow human beings

I have a confession: I get a bit cheesed off every time I walk past a shop which is clearly for eastern Europeans simply because the signage above the doors is emblazoned in Polish/Hungarian etc. It makes me angry . It makes me think of segregation rather than integration.
On the other hand I work closely with Polish workers on site and my neighbours are a young Polish family whom we get on with extremely well. I find them respectful, hard working and family orientated.
I have a conflict here and can't reconcile the two emotions.

skybluetony176 · Jan 11, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I have a confession: I get a bit cheesed off every time I walk past a shop which is clearly for eastern Europeans simply because the signage above the doors is emblazoned in Polish/Hungarian etc. It makes me angry . It makes me think of segregation rather than integration.
On the other hand I work closely with Polish workers on site and my neighbours are a young Polish family whom we get on with extremely well. I find them respectful, hard working and family orientated.
I have a conflict here and can't reconcile the two emotions.

Before I turned vegetarian it made me think of sausages so I used to go in and buy them. Shocking thing is it wasn’t a scary experience and the sausages were great. I guess integration is a two way streak. There isn’t a sign on the door saying no British. The world is shrinking, you’re just going to have to grow up and deal with it.

Gazolba · Jan 12, 2019

Marty said:
Just wanted to show how easy it is to live on £5 a day.

Using Sainsburys pricing too, so could be got cheaper elsewhere.

Breakfast = 38p
Porridge - 1kg - £1.20 - 1 months for 1 person. = 4p a day.
Frozen fruit - £2 - 6 servings = 34p

Lunch: = 94p
Granny Smith apples - 6 for £1.50 = 25p
Bananas - 5 for 95p = 19p
Pre bagged salad - 170g for £1 (2days) = 50p

Tea: = £1.22
Chicken Breast - £1
Frozen Veg - 1kg - £1 / 14 days = 8p
Rice - £1.70 / 13 days = 14p

£2.54 for a full days healthy eating, where you will be full all day. Plenty of money for things like eggs, milk, flour, chocolate, etc. Not bad considering you now have a roof over your head, no bills and you've never paid into the system.

That's just food, what about heat, light and water? Where do you keep your frozen food? How do you boil the water for your tea? Oh and how do you get to Sainsburys?

LastGarrison · Jan 12, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I have a confession: I get a bit cheesed off every time I walk past a shop which is clearly for eastern Europeans simply because the signage above the doors is emblazoned in Polish/Hungarian etc. It makes me angry . It makes me think of segregation rather than integration.
On the other hand I work closely with Polish workers on site and my neighbours are a young Polish family whom we get on with extremely well. I find them respectful, hard working and family orientated.
I have a conflict here and can't reconcile the two emotions.

And I am sure people experienced the exact same thoughts and feelings when Indians starting moving here in the 50’s and 60’s.

Yet we now have no problem with going into Indian owned shops or nipping into restaurants for a vindaloo!

clint van damme · Jan 12, 2019

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Exactly, the key word being 'getting' involved. We didn't start those wars, we didn't tell Asad to go mental, and we didn't give instructions to ISIS.

The notion that we should feel overwhelming guilt from the whole country because of a decision made by a few people in government is pretty ridiculous.

For the record, of all the 'migration' to Europe in the last 5 years, this repetitive notion that they are all Syrian is also ridiculous.

Also, given that the population of Syria was 18 million, and given that most of them are still there, or as you say in Turkey... Where are the other millions in Europe actually from?

Saying I don't have a grasp on this is a low blow, equally trying to make out that Syria isn't currently a third world location is also mental.

Just within that post you've demonstrated you don't have a grasp of what is going on.
We have been starting wars. And when I say we I mean us, our allies and our Saudi overlords. We've been doing it since the 50s

we've put maniacs in power, sometimes replacing them with bigger maniacs and causing mayhem in the region.
Until we stop we will continue to create refugee situations.
And I would also suggest you look up the definition a a third world country and the role of Al nusra in Syria and where some of there funding came from.

clint van damme · Jan 12, 2019

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm probably one of the kindest people you'll ever meet.

Just because I don't swallow the naive bullshit that everyone coming here is an actual refugee, doesn't mean I don't think genuine refugees shouldn't have a roof over their heads.

The UK is one if the most tolerant countries in the world, which is why its master culture is slowly being allowed to get erased.

I only want us to help genuine refugees.
But any system that helps people will have those that take the piss whether it's asylum, benefits right through to accident compensation
You don't end the scheme, you try and weed out the piss takers.
And as for saying how kind you are I can't say whether that's right or not because I don't know you but you strike me as someone with very little empathy for your fellow humans if they're not white European.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 12, 2019

clint van damme said:
I only want us to help genuine refugees.
But any system that helps people will have those that take the piss whether it's asylum, benefits right through to accident compensation
You don't end the scheme, you try and weed out the piss takers.
And as for saying how kind you are I can't say whether that's right or not because I don't know you but you strike me as someone with very little empathy for your fellow humans if they're not white European.

That's exactly it isn't it? 'You're not empathetic unless you follow this narrative'. The next stage is to call me a racist because I'm suspect on how many refugees are actually genuine.

clint van damme · Jan 12, 2019

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That's exactly it isn't it? 'You're not empathetic unless you follow this narrative'. The next stage is to call me a racist because I'm suspect on how many refugees are actually genuine.

More gibberish.
Empathy has nothing to do with any narrative.
You don't display empathy.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 12, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I have a confession: I get a bit cheesed off every time I walk past a shop which is clearly for eastern Europeans simply because the signage above the doors is emblazoned in Polish/Hungarian etc. It makes me angry . It makes me think of segregation rather than integration.
On the other hand I work closely with Polish workers on site and my neighbours are a young Polish family whom we get on with extremely well. I find them respectful, hard working and family orientated.
I have a conflict here and can't reconcile the two emotions.

I think it’s helpfiul to articulate the conflict. The dehuminsation is so dangerous

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 12, 2019

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That's exactly it isn't it? 'You're not empathetic unless you follow this narrative'. The next stage is to call me a racist because I'm suspect on how many refugees are actually genuine.

No not at all it’s to engage in discussion that’s the narrative. We each have a story and experiences that can be broad or narrow but will be broadened by having the conversation on here or in person. We don’t have to just make our points we have to actively listen and engage in the narrative of those around us including refugees and asylum seekers coming to our country

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 12, 2019

LastGarrison said:
And I am sure people experienced the exact same thoughts and feelings when Indians starting moving here in the 50’s and 60’s.

Yet we now have no problem with going into Indian owned shops or nipping into restaurants for a vindaloo!

Granted, but I do think that when you have a Polski Delikatessee (excuse spelling) parked up next to a Spar, as is the case in an area of Rugby where I live, I do wonder whether it brings people together or actually creates a dividing line. Both shops serve the local community well and happily both seem to continue to survive economically, but of course you rarely see Eastern Europeans in the Spar ,which wasn't the case before the Polish shop opened, which I always felt was a good thing in many ways. Now they don't bother, unsurprisingly.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 12, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Before I turned vegetarian it made me think of sausages so I used to go in and buy them. Shocking thing is it wasn’t a scary experience and the sausages were great. I guess integration is a two way streak. There isn’t a sign on the door saying no British. The world is shrinking, you’re just going to have to grow up and deal with it.

There's a sign above the door which I can't read, so I don't go in. Lots of other shops I do use mind you.
That's absolutely wonderful advice though. Thanks.

fernandopartridge · Jan 12, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Before I turned vegetarian it made me think of sausages so I used to go in and buy them. Shocking thing is it wasn’t a scary experience and the sausages were great. I guess integration is a two way streak. There isn’t a sign on the door saying no British. The world is shrinking, you’re just going to have to grow up and deal with it.

Some good stuff in polish shops we don't get, e.g. wild mushroom stock cubes. The ham and polish sausages are great as well.

Nick · Jan 12, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Some good stuff in polish shops we don't get, e.g. wild mushroom stock cubes. The ham and polish sausages are great as well.

Don't they have a lot of beetroot stuff too?

clint van damme · Jan 12, 2019

Nick said:
Don't they have a lot of beetroot stuff too?

Fucking loads!I like a bit of beetroot but they love the stuff.
They have these beetroot flavoured hot drinks, like cup a soups, they're nice.
Not to sure about some of it though

Marty · Jan 12, 2019

Gazolba said:
That's just food, what about heat, light and water? Where do you keep your frozen food? How do you boil the water for your tea? Oh and how do you get to Sainsburys?

Fuck me! You sound like such a victim. Do they need someone to tie their shoes for them as well? I've worked in these homes, and everything gets provided for them. What about heat, light and water? Heat is from central heating, light comes from the sky or a lamp and water comes from a tap, How do you boil the water? in a pan over a flame or use the provided kettle. How do you get to the supermarket? You have a full day to fill with nothing, walk there, get some excercise.

hill83 · Jan 12, 2019

Marty said:
Fuck me! You sound like such a victim. Do they need someone to tie their shoes for them as well? I've worked in these homes, and everything gets provided for them. What about heat, light and water? Heat is from central heating, light comes from the sky or a lamp and water comes from a tap, How do you boil the water? in a pan over a flame or use the provided kettle. How do you get to the supermarket? You have a full day to fill with nothing, walk there, get some excercise.

PARK LIFE

Marty · Jan 12, 2019

clint van damme said:
Fucking loads!I like a bit of beetroot but they love the stuff.
They have these beetroot flavoured hot drinks, like cup a soups, they're nice.
Not to sure about some of it though

Polish food is amazing, Zywiecka is my sausage of choice, finely sliced with pierogi and sauerkraut.

You need to try Gołąbki, cabbage rolls filled with meat and rice. I can eat them all night when my mum makes them at Christmas.

Grendel · Jan 12, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Some good stuff in polish shops we don't get, e.g. wild mushroom stock cubes. The ham and polish sausages are great as well.

I’d assumed there was queues all the way down the road and all that’s on offer is a loaf of stale bread

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 12, 2019

clint van damme said:
More gibberish.
Empathy has nothing to do with any narrative.
You don't display empathy.

You would rather just open the borders to anyone than actually ask the question as to how many refugees are genuine, because that would just be racist wouldn't it?

It' a shame, I thought you had more balls than that.

clint van damme · Jan 12, 2019

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You would rather just open the borders to anyone than actually ask the question as to how many refugees are genuine, because that would just be racist wouldn't it?

It' a shame, I thought you had more balls than that.

You're a dixckhead and if that's what you conclude from my posts then you're stupider than I thought.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 12, 2019

clint van damme said:
You're a dixckhead and if that's what you conclude from my posts then you're stupider than I thought.

Put the fucking Worthingtons down and chill out.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 12, 2019

Just shows shoot and score 1-1 not deserved second half but deserved overall

Westendlad · Jan 12, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
You're not British, you're a disgrace.

Certainly more British than you..C

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