CJ_covblaze
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Tisdale’s departure was partly down to money and both agreed it was best to part ways. I believe he was the highest paid manager outside the top two divisions.
Trust-owned Exeter City served notice on manager Paul Tisdale when the club were going through a poor patch of form. The notice was 18 months iirc. It came to a conclusion after their form had transformed remarkably and Tisdale’s stock was high. His final game in charge was the play-off final against us. It meant he walked away from Exeter after that game and the club got no compensation from MK Dons.
So you say but his name is still on the FSA website on behalf of the trust?No and hasn’t been since July last year.
What will you call yourself when you’re back?I am returning from Riyadh soon and will join the trust and put myself forward to join the board.
There needs to be a clear vision and engagement with the membership and the club.
I was Langley skyblue, Moscow skyblue before Riyadhskyblue so will will have to give it some thought.What will you call yourself when you’re back?
I was Langley skyblue, Moscow skyblue before Riyadhskyblue so will will have to give it some thought.
I understand your point but there is already a vehicle in place that just needs resetting and a new direction.Just for arguments sake (I know very little on the subject), but would it be possible to create an alternative trust committee? Kind of a ‘SBT Trust’, a lot of you on here are extremely knowledgeable, have contacts within the club and so much passion for the success of CCFC. We’re already hugely recognised within the CCFC fan community for our efforts in the Season Ticket Fundraiser and Pete and Mark’s meeting with Joy.
Just an idea to possibly think about going forwards? Clearly our fans and the club itself have lost all faith with the Trust due to their antics and lack of commitment. Surely if the club and fans see a united group of passionate, knowledgeable and resourceful members coming together in a ‘new trust’ situation, there’d be a lot of support and input power within a short amount of time. Again, I’m not even sure this is possible but it’s crossed my mind a few times. If a football player got old, unreliable, unfit and lacked commitment, you’d sign a replacement player. Could this sort of idea be put into practice?
So you say but his name is still on the FSA website on behalf of the trust?
It's just strange that they posted an article in October saying he was from the trust.No idea. When I asked the FSA they said he was on there as an independent. Email The FSA and ask.
I understand your point but there is already a vehicle in place that just needs resetting and a new direction.
One of the issues you have on this forum is that the trust is just no longer representative of those on here and doesn’t reflect the mood of the posters on here. The Trust needs new blood and new thinking. How about putting yourself forward?
It's just strange that they posted an article in October saying he was from the trust.
Doesn't really add up, like most things.
It's just strange that they posted an article in October saying he was from the trust.
Doesn't really add up, like most things.
One of the other big problems the trust have is that they've alienated themselves from the club over time. It's a huge job to be able to repair the reputation of the trust both with fans and with the club.
But if new people joined the board the issue of the involvement of the previous individuals (myself included) is not relevant is it? It’s the same as saying Russell Slade is still involved with Coventry City.
It is also in the Club’s interest to have a positive working relationship with a relevant Supporter’s Trust. After all both would have the same objectives and aspirations of having a successful Club in the Community. The Trust just need to get the respect back from the Club and the fans. If this means a complete overhaul and re-modelling, including new and improved identity, then this should be done. I’m sure there are a lot of keen, enthusiastic supporters out there that would have the necessary competencies to fulfill these roles in the Trust, people who would take on a role like this for the right reason and not for self-interest.One of the other big problems the trust have is that they've alienated themselves from the club over time. It's a huge job to be able to repair the reputation of the trust both with fans and with the club.
You need to let it go Nick. CJ has answered the question multiple times now. Other than on a third party website there's no evidence of any further link between Roger Ellis and the trust. I assume Roger is on the FSA committee/board for a fixed term and is allowed to remain as he was on the trust board at the time of election. Worth bringing it to the attention of the FSA though.
But if new people joined the board the issue of the involvement of the previous individuals (myself included) is not relevant is it? It’s the same as saying Russell Slade is still involved with Coventry City.
It is also in the Club’s interested to have a positive working relationship with a relevant Supporter’s Trust. After all both would have the same objectives and aspirations of having a successful Club in the Community. The Trust just need to get the respect back from the Club and the fans. If this means a complete overhaul and re-modelling, including new and improved identity, then this should be done. I’m sure there are a lot of keen, enthusiastic supporters out there that would have the necessary competencies to fulfill these roles in the Trust, people who would take on a role like this for the right reason and not for self-interest.
To be fair, CJ also said he didn't know who Roger Ellis was and told me categorically that another board member had nothing to do with shady Twitter accounts.
I mean if somebody is on the board of a fans governance group based on being on the board of the sky blue trust it's a fair link.
It's probably right that I'm cynical.
No and hasn’t been since July last year.
I'm not sure to be honest CJ. I think from comments made to us they'd probably want to see a sustained change in direction over time and probably large turnover of personnel. Obviously nothing is impossible.
They felt the Trust were constantly pulling in the opposite direction to all other fan groups. Unfortunately, in yourself, one who they do not see as part of the problem is leaving. Will have to see who remains to know whether there is hope of the relationship with the club being fixed.
No he doesn’t know who he is
CJ.
You will be a huge loss to the Trust. As I have said many a time. You have taken ALL of the flack in the last couple of years for all of the stuff the trust have/haven't said/done.
I am guessing that your hands have often been tied too.
You have been pretty much the only "face" above the parapet and have always engaged..... including every time I have chewed your ear off about lots of things.
You must have ptetty thick skin - thank you for doing what many of the other members should have done. Hopefully we'll still catch up.
Re Mr Ellis, this is where The Trust doesn't help themselves (although possibly here the blame lies with the FSA) as he is still listed as the Trust rep for the FSA as well as being on their board. Coupled with the fact that the trust have said they are welcoming links with the FSA too.
This is where people may get a little confused.
I have said to you many times, I'm so hopeful that the Trust can change the perception that it has from many many fans, but it must do so much more outwardly and inwardly.
I really hope that this can be done, but I think it is even less possible now without you there.
Hope all is good with you and I'm sure and hope we'll catch up very soon.
As heartwarming as that is I wouldn’t take it at face value. The impression I got whenever I came into contact with the club’s hierarchy was that my involvement was a problem. It would be interesting to find out who they did and didn’t have a problem with.
We didn't really discuss individuals at great length, we just mentioned at the time that we'd had conversations with you in the background. I'll speak with you privately about what was said as I'm not airing detail publicly.
Much appreciated Shep. Don’t get me wrong I’m pleased to be out but as I said above it was best that I did. I felt that I was causing a problem within the fan base and with the relationship with the club.
I don't think people in general see you as the problem (apart from a few who will probably shout up now and say otherwise).
It would be better to let it die and reform it when the deadwood like Ellis and Lionel have long left the building
I don't think people in general see you as the problem (apart from a few who will probably shout up now and say otherwise).
I thought Lionel wasn't involved in the trust and hasn't been for a long time?
Exactly. If the Trust can become relevant again then it's absolutely in the clubs interest to work with them. At the moment there's no real incentive for them to work with them. They see them as just one of a number of supporter groups that take part in the supporters forum and don't see them as anything that should be treated differently from, say, the London Supporters Club or Sky Blues Talk.
According to the Trust website there are only 5 currently on the board:
To be honest, there's only really CJ and Dave I'm aware of from those.
- Dave Eyles (Chair)
- Rachel Brown
- Andrew Fletcher
- CJ Joiner
- Bruce Walker
What a Trust should never be, however, is club lapdog. Criticism is entirely appropriate. The method of criticism needs work, however.I'm not sure to be honest CJ. I think from comments made to us they'd probably want to see a sustained change in direction over time and probably large turnover of personnel.
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