A number of factors contributed to relegation not just the manager or players or lack of investment or boardroom unrest and not one decision by itself relegated us or would have guaranteed safety. The manager may have been a factor but not the only factor so no one decision would guarantee survival as there was still several other things wrong within the club, it was a combination of mistake after mistake that relegated us
Yea I guess, I was just trying to make the point that there were other decisions made by SISU that led to relegation as well as the choice of manager and to label one of them as the sole decision for relegation is unfair. There were several things wrong with the club last season which I noted above that needed to be changed for the club to move forward or even remain stationary, thankfully it looks like steps are being made to change all the factors for the better an not just one or the other.I don't really want to get into this as it was done to death during the 2011- 2012 season. All I will say is that you're quite right in saying that nobody knows how things would have gone with a new manager, but sticking with one whose results and performance remained static and predictable was a recipe for surefire relegation. It was the simplest variable to change with the biggest potential impact.
Valiant..........why dont you just fuck off!
A change in manager without changing other things wrong at the club would have just been a role of the dice
Sure, but you'd only have to roll higher than a one to see an improvement.
Well said. There are some real dickheads around this year.
A one is a high probability in terms of sisu's ability to pick a manager.
You seem to have it in for Thorn still.
What about the previous managers that sisu employed. They got millions in funds for new players only being able to manage survival are they better than Thorn ?
SISU don't pick the managers.
Not really. He's gone. Good for the club, wish him the best.
We haven't had a successful manager at the club for a very long time.
Well in this hypothetical situation where are we in the league? Because if we're in the top 6, then he would not be sold, as promotion would come with an increased income far greater than Cody's value. If we're 15th, then clearly something won't be right and I'm sure Cody would fetch 1 million plus, which could be used to rebuild a squad.
This club could barely operate, financially, in the Championship, it cannot operate in League 1, we need to get out of it and those in charge understand this.
As for the original post, you claim we have brought in 9 free transfers? Interesting as we have definitely paid for Barton and definitely paid something for Fleck. Not to mention signing on fees for all 9 players and agency fees on top. I would hazard a guess we've spent at least 600k this summer, which funnily enough is exactly the figure we owe in rent!
£600.000 and the income from players sold????????
I really do not understand what your problem is unless it is a prolonged hangover from them finally terminating your friends tenure.
Of course they have a large budget versus most teams in this league. Bell, wood, mcsheffrey and even baker will alone be earning 4 times the league average.
Would they sell players if they had to? Yes as would every league one club.
We are strapped financially but fisher and waggot have some vision. They have stabilised a football club previously.
You snipe but offer no alternative. What would you do if you were chairman?
With this new manager situation people are taking their eye off the ball. Don't think for one minute sisu puppet Fisher has suddenly decide to fund a promotion push. He will sell anyone anytime to bring in cash for our owners, wouldn't mind betting he's on some sort of bonus for it. Just remember we are a migin from liquidation sisu can pull the plug anytime and don't think they won't. I believe they will give ACL an ultimatum regards the rent they pay for the Ricoh. Fisher has already stated it should be north of £150000 that would be a drop of one million !! and it's rate payers money. ACL made a 600k profit last season so a reduction along those lines means a loss. Council cannot agree to that.
Barton was a nominal fee maybe 100k and I don't think we paid for Fleck, we agreed some deal with Rangers to do with sell ons etc.Well in this hypothetical situation where are we in the league? Because if we're in the top 6, then he would not be sold, as promotion would come with an increased income far greater than Cody's value. If we're 15th, then clearly something won't be right and I'm sure Cody would fetch 1 million plus, which could be used to rebuild a squad.
This club could barely operate, financially, in the Championship, it cannot operate in League 1, we need to get out of it and those in charge understand this.
As for the original post, you claim we have brought in 9 free transfers? Interesting as we have definitely paid for Barton and definitely paid something for Fleck. Not to mention signing on fees for all 9 players and agency fees on top. I would hazard a guess we've spent at least 600k this summer, which funnily enough is exactly the figure we owe in rent!
Grendel I agree with you
Barton was a nominal fee maybe 100k and I don't think we paid for Fleck, we agreed some deal with Rangers to do with sell ons etc.
We took in approx. 2 mill from Gael and Keogh transfers
Not they ain't council do see proffit from the Ricoh been said many times. Someone with better knowledge of the facts will come on hopefully and tell us. Do not be taken in by Fisher and his side kick Waggot. Their sole aim is to bring extra cash into our ownes coffers. How else can they do this without selling players, there is no other income.Almost certainly an incorrect assumption. I would say the opposite is true. Fisher is almost certainly on a bonus to achieve promotion. He has managed to persuade the owners to fund the season and it is down to him and Waggot to achieve this.
Rate payers and the council are irrelevant reagrding the rent - ACL are a private organisation independant from council funding.
Not they ain't council do see proffit from the Ricoh been said many times. Someone with better knowledge of the facts will come on hopefully and tell us. Do not be taken in by Fisher and his side kick Waggot. Their sole aim is to bring extra cash into our ownes coffers. How else can they do this without selling players, there is no other income.
Almost certainly an incorrect assumption. I would say the opposite is true. Fisher is almost certainly on a bonus to achieve promotion. He has managed to persuade the owners to fund the season and it is down to him and Waggot to achieve this.
Rate payers and the council are irrelevant reagrding the rent - ACL are a private organisation independant from council funding.
I agree probably more lost in TV revenue. I am delighted we have signed so many players, improved the overall depth of the squad and seemingly saving money in the process. But lets not confuse that with SISU pumping extra cash into the clubLoss of TV revenue of at least £1 million, loss of revenue through the gate as well. Also 9 signings means nine payments to agents - an expensive game.
princes assumption is as valid as yours, as we are not privelidged to that info. My GUESS would be as you say promotion as you say , that being why thorn was despatched at this time.
ACL is not really independant of the council as it owns 50% and is the leaseholder of the land and stadium.
If you REALLY believe fisher has persuded sisu to fund this season then you are deluded, it is self interest from sisu nothing more nothing less
SISU don't pick the managers.
That said I am convinced we are in a promotion or bust situation - literally.
What i don't understand is how much abuse Thorn is getting on threads still.
Mainly because people such as yourself bump threads that are a day old - like this one - with an untimely, passionate defence of Thorn. That then brings counter-arguments which you cannot handle.
Im trying to work out if you have anything relevent to say or its just a personal attack ?
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