Is it too early to say (10 Viewers)

Gaz · Jul 29, 2012

That's because you couldn't judge him as a manager with a squad that clearly wasn't good enough.

This year will be different and one way or the other he will be shown for his true worth.

Let's hope some have the balls to admit they were wrong.

Big Mo · Jul 29, 2012

Nick said:
I don't think anybody wants us to fail.

People still can't explain why Thorn is a good manager, they can only give excuses as to why he wasn't....

As stated near impossible to judge. Did well in his first 10 games playing good football. Poor season with poor squad followed, now we can make a proper judgement.

Nick · Jul 29, 2012

gaz said:
That's because you couldn't judge him as a manager with a squad that clearly wasn't good enough.

Of course you could because of footballing decisions and mistakes. I would have thought part of being a good manager is getting the best out of the players available and playing to their strengths like somebody like Paul Lambert at Norwich did? I am pretty sure if I opened football manager and added a cheat to get unlimited money I would breeze every league...

We will see this season, I hope I am proven wrong

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 29, 2012

Well for me, he did as well as could be expected with last season's squad. I personally think the squad has been gutted of quality, and the players won't be good enough for a top 6 finish: we feel a bit like Preston last season. But I'll still blame Thorn this season, as he's had the chance to bring players in, albeit on a very limited budget and only on frees. He has to be judged on what he gets out of the players at a lower level, and the judgement he's shown in the players he has signed. So far, I'm not in the slight bit impressed with what he's added. I still blame SISU to a very large extent, but now that Thorn is proclaiming it as his team-and he did say "the players I want are all free transfers anyway"- he has to bear the responsibility for how it fares.

Gaz · Jul 29, 2012

All managers make mistakes Nick, even Paul Lambert.
I am sure if I opened up call of duty and added a cheat to get unlimited health that I would breeze every level.

Here's hoping you're wrong

Nick said:
Of course you could because of footballing decisions and mistakes. I would have thought part of being a good manager is getting the best out of the players available and playing to their strengths like somebody like Paul Lambert at Norwich did? I am pretty sure if I opened football manager and added a cheat to get unlimited money I would breeze every league...

We will see this season, I hope I am proven wrong

Nick · Jul 29, 2012

gaz said:
All managers make mistakes Nick, even Paul Lambert.
I am sure if I opened up call of duty and added a cheat to get unlimited health that I would breeze every level.

Here's hoping you're wrong

Of course people make mistakes! Like i said we will see this year!

On cod surely the best players who can win with a handgun against people with rocket launchers? They have less but get the most out of it!

Even so, nobody can really say footballing wise things he has done that are amazing! Just how he is restricted!

I hope it changes and he gets us promoted and gets manager of the season!

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 29, 2012

I made loads of posts saying why Thorn was a good manager..then a few days later, someone would say "nobody ever says why Thorn is a good manager, they just say why it's not his fault". I got sick of repeating myself and being ignored...

Nick · Jul 29, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
I made loads of posts saying why Thorn was a good manager..then a few days later, someone would say "nobody ever says why Thorn is a good manager, they just say why it's not his fault". I got sick of repeating myself and being ignored...

Oh, where were / are they?

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 29, 2012

They were plastered all over last season-it's why many label me a Thorn-lover!

Nick · Jul 29, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
They were plastered all over last season-it's why many label me a Thorn-lover!

I honestly cant remember them

Otis · Jul 29, 2012

Me neither. Nick is completely right.

Fine to defend Thorn for what he didn't have to work with and because of all the constraints etc.

Every time he did make a mistake last season that was the excuse that was brought out, that the squad wasn't good enough, the players weren't strong enough, too many kids having to be played etc.

Everyone understood all those constraints. Trouble was, most people expected us to struggle and many said we would go down and we did struggle and did go down. We finished 8 points adrift. Are people saying if we didn't have Thorn we would have finished even more than 8 points adrift? :thinking about::thinking about:

Astute · Jul 29, 2012

It is never too early for some.

The so called Thorn haters want him out ASAP. At least one has already said he should go even if we win Div3 :thinking about:

Some of the so called AT lovers are looking for excuses already

To me, and I have been labeled an AT lover by some for having a mind of my own, he should be given until Xmas to have us in the top 6, but if we have a poor start then his position should be reconsidered.

Greggs · Jul 29, 2012

FAT SCOUT OUT :jerkit:

stupot07 · Jul 29, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
They were plastered all over last season-it's why many label me a Thorn-lover!

I remember them....

ClarrieB · Jul 29, 2012

stupot07 said:
I remember them....

care to expand or provide a link? i can hardly contain my curiosity....

stupot07 · Jul 29, 2012

ClarrieB said:
care to expand or provide a link? i can hardly contain my curiosity....

Why don't you search for it yourself lazy bones!

valiant15 · Jul 29, 2012

I never wanted thorn,the blokes a joke,but remember this,who are the tight arse wankers that employ him? Any other fit&proper owners would want a real manager. You sisu arse lockers reap what you sow. Deal with it.

ClarrieB · Jul 29, 2012

stupot07 said:
Why don't you search for it yourself lazy bones!

couldn't find anything then?

Astute · Jul 29, 2012

valiant15 said:
I never wanted thorn,the blokes a joke,but remember this,who are the tight arse wankers that employ him? Any other fit&proper owners would want a real manager. You sisu arse lockers reap what you sow. Deal with it.

Did you not want AT before he took over from AB who had us on a long losing streak and only lost 3 of the last 10 games to make us safe, or was it after he lost what he thought was his 1st team and then struggled?

Otis · Jul 29, 2012

Must confess, I didn't want AB sacked. I wanted him backed.

We were doing really well under him until injuries kicked in and the board wouldn't back him in a transfer window.

We may well have been found out, but that we would have only known had he been backed and our slide continued. It's all now merely conjecture.

Astute · Jul 29, 2012

Did they suddenly come back from injury when AT took over?

valiant15 · Jul 29, 2012

I never wanted thorn astute,ive nothing against the guy,i just don't want him managing coventry.

Otis · Jul 29, 2012

Astute said:
Did they suddenly come back from injury when AT took over?

No course not, but historically there are thousands of cases of new manager syndrome and results picking up as a result.

New managers more often than not bring a renewed confidence and players try that little bit harder to impress.

It has happened through footballing history.

New broom.

New brooms soon become dirty though.

stupot07 · Jul 29, 2012

Astute said:
Did you not want AT before he took over from AB who had us on a long losing streak and only lost 3 of the last 10 games to make us safe, or was it after he lost what he thought was his 1st team and then struggled?

We lost 2 not 3! 3 wins and 5 draws

Grendel · Jul 29, 2012

stupot07 said:
We lost 2 not 3! 3 wins and 5 draws

Mmm sounds impressive. How did Boothroyd honeymoon period go in his first 10 games?

Otis · Jul 29, 2012

Grendel said:
Mmm sounds impressive. How did Boothroyd honeymoon period go in his first 10 games?

Exactly.

You simply cannot hold up Thorn's record when he first came in as some sort of beacon in terms of his managerial skills.

If you are a good manager your skill will shine through in time. If you are a bad manager you will get found out eventually.

Astute · Jul 29, 2012

And if you run a club and keep getting rid of your best players you will get found out eventually......

stupot07 · Jul 29, 2012

Grendel said:
Mmm sounds impressive. How did Boothroyd honeymoon period go in his first 10 games?

4 wins 3 draws and 3 loses, 1 point better than Thorn

ampthill_sba · Jul 29, 2012

Otis said:
Exactly.

You simply cannot hold up Thorn's record when he first came in as some sort of beacon in terms of his managerial skills.

If you are a good manager your skill will shine through in time. If you are a bad manager you will get found out eventually.

Thorn has my full support whilst in post but he is not a talented manager: #inshawwetrust

Grendel · Jul 29, 2012

stupot07 said:
4 wins 3 draws and 3 loses, 1 point better than Thorn

And marlon king I guess played in less games in boothroyd honeymoon as well.

torchomatic · Jul 29, 2012

Shaw?! .

Astute · Jul 29, 2012

Grendel said:
And marlon king I guess played in less games in boothroyd honeymoon as well.

And played more games for AB where all he ever got was the ball hoofed to him. What a wasted use of a good player.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 29, 2012

Nick said:
Of course you could because of footballing decisions and mistakes. I would have thought part of being a good manager is getting the best out of the players available and playing to their strengths like somebody like Paul Lambert at Norwich did? I am pretty sure if I opened football manager and added a cheat to get unlimited money I would breeze every league...

We will see this season, I hope I am proven wrong

Lambert inherited a Norwich squad full of Championship quality players in League 1. How he kept more or less the same group (with Leon sodding Barnett in defence), however, only he will know.

ClarrieB · Jul 29, 2012

Astute said:
And if you run a club and keep getting rid of your best players you will get found out eventually......

But no decent manager with a hard earned reputation would have stood for losing these players - Thorn accepts it because he knows he has a 'special' role.
In fact it is his Raison d'être - why he exists in the role - to provide little by way of a serious objection to shipping out players.
He has no rep as a manager so little risk if he fails - which he has done...
I thought he said he would walk if they sold keogh (or was it bigi) - anyone confirm?

Otis · Jul 29, 2012

He said he would walk if the board didn't back him.

Not sure selling Keogh, Bigi, losing Platt & Cranie and bringing in possibly lesser quality players is backing him.

Only time will tell I guess if these are lesser quality.

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