I don't get all this "no parking" around the Butts.
Old Trafford is nearly 80000 and has plans to go to 90,000 ,Anfield is going to be 60000, new White Hart Lane will be 60000,, infact all the great grounds in England are surrounded by housing with absolutely no parking except in local car parks or the local streets , and in most cases poor public transport infrastructure, yet they manage perfectly.
Look at new Anfield it's totally surrounded as is Everton ,the list goes on and on, yet we have fans moaning about the chaos it will be with a 20000 stadium.
We will manage and so will the city centre.
I don't get all this "no parking" around the Butt.
Old Trafford is nearly 80000 and has plans to go to 90,000 ,Anfield is going to be 60000, new White Hart Lane will be 60000,, infact all the great grounds in England are surrounded by housing with absolutely no parking except in local car parks or the local streets , and in most cases poor public transport infrastructure, yet they manage perfectly.
Look at new Anfield it's totally surrounded as is Everton ,the list goes on and on, yet we have fans moaning about the chaos it will be with a 20000 stadium.
We will manage and so will the city centre.
leaving us stuck and probably forever stuck in League One and Two.
Name one building project SISU/ARVO have delivered. I don't believe they've never built anything *, some hedge funds do that but that is not what SISU/ARVO do.Do you really think that Sisu or CRFC have the financial backing to be able to pull this off. If sisu had the will to do this then you would think they would drop the JR and crack on, or is it that as most people think that their hopes of extricating them selves from the club is to win a financial settlement through litigation to enable them to move on? I cant see any one wanting to fund a Sisu led infrastructure project with their track record, its all probably tactics to drive a better deal at the Ricoh. This would be a 2 to 3 year project with massive implications on the surrounding area right in the middle of a major city with one access road. Having the will to do it and being able to is two different things Torch.
Whereas the future is so bright at the Ricoh!
are the parties involved willing to get together to both solve and fund these issues.
I'd be amazed if it ever passed planning, the residents comments alone will hold it up forever. Some people on here seem to have never met anyone from Earlsdon.
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That's the crux of it, of course. However, you and many others are stating it WON'T happen before the project has even got off the ground.
I can imagine you, Otis and Tony in the pub..."here, have you heard about that bloke who's invented something called a telephone? He reckons people will be able to talk to each other at distances of miles! Ridiculous! We've got riders and horses and messenger boys, why would we need a telephone? They'll be saying we'll be able to fly over to America next"
Name one building project SISU/ARVO have delivered. I don't believe they've never built anything *, some hedge funds do that but that is not what SISU/ARVO do.
* If someone can provide an example of a completed or even in progress SISU/ARVO development I'd be delighted to hear of it.
I have. Unfortunately, my Dad was born there.
I wouldn't be talking to Tony and Otis, I'd be too busy selling you magic beans!
As an Earlsdon native, I take exception to that.
Expect a strongly worded letter in the ECHO.
I'd be amazed if it ever passed planning, the residents comments alone will hold it up forever. Some people on here seem to have never met anyone from Earlsdon.
Then people are talking about knocking down half of Spon End and the Butts for access and parking, as if we live in a dictatorship and can just clear land like Mugabe.
That's the crux of it, of course. However, you and many others are stating it WON'T happen before the project has even got off the ground.
I can imagine you, Otis and Tony in the pub..."here, have you heard about that bloke who's invented something called a telephone? He reckons people will be able to talk to each other at distances of miles! Ridiculous! We've got riders and horses and messenger boys, why would we need a telephone? They'll be saying we'll be able to fly over to America next"
Yep, exactly. Are we so selfish, that even after Wasps et al screwed us over, we think we can just start knocking down stuff here and there, making other people's lives a misery?
The people making these comments seemingly HAVEN'T met anyone from Earlsdon. There will be absolutely massive opposition to this. No doubt about this and how is anyone going to be able to get up and down Albany Road to Earlsdon High Street?
Are we really going to make all the residents go all the way around to come through via the Memorial Park to get in and out? It's either that way or up towards Hearsall Common and take a left, but that again may well mean driving past the stadium.
I don't mind going to the Butts on the proviso it is going to be big enough for a long term future, but we also have to show some compassion and care and understanding for the local residents and the retirement village and see how they feel about it all, don't we?
Great if there is little or no opposition, but personally I think the opposition is going to be huge.
It can't just be get out of the Ricoh at all costs and that is sort of coming through here I feel from a few posts.
Let's build something that is for the whole city if possible, not just for what is less than 10% of the population.
Frankly if the council have a will public opposition will mean absolutely nothing.
They are building on virtually every green belt land area that is available despite massive opposition to it. Every area that is impacted has said no and it's been totally ignored.
The 10% of the population is a red herring as it will benefit more of the population of the city than it impacts. I doubt very much that local businesses in earlsdon will object either,
If rather see money invested in this than a swimming pool in god forsaken Earnsford Grange or a water park in a city no one wants to go to.
Whereas the future is so bright at the Ricoh!
That's the crux of it, of course. However, you and many others are stating it WON'T happen before the project has even got off the ground.
I can imagine you, Otis and Tony in the pub..."here, have you heard about that bloke who's invented something called a telephone? He reckons people will be able to talk to each other at distances of miles! Ridiculous! We've got riders and horses and messenger boys, why would we need a telephone? They'll be saying we'll be able to fly over to America next"
So you'd rather your club be hamstrung with no chance of increasing revenue and progressing up the leagues?I would think leving the Ricoh for the BPA in what is being proposed is more like replacing the telephone with horses and riders. Maybe that's what you, grendull talk about in the pub
So you'd rather your club be hamstrung with no chance of increasing revenue and progressing up the leagues?
Fair enough, each to their own.
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No. Which is why I'm against moving to the BPA at 15K with a fingers crossed approach to further expansion. I struggle to see how that's a better option to renting at the Ricoh at this moment in time. Still I'm sure our owners are sharing all the details at the latest SCG and this time next week when the minutes are out we'll all be able to make an informed decision on wether it's a good idea or not.
Don't think he, or anyone else is saying that.So you'd rather your club be hamstrung with no chance of increasing revenue and progressing up the leagues?
Fair enough, each to their own.
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So you'd sign a ten year lease with no break cause and no revenue benefits? Can't see that being attractive to any new buyer.
I didn't say say that numb nuts. Probably why you're trying to make out I did.
No. Which is why I'm against moving to the BPA at 15K with a fingers crossed approach to further expansion. I struggle to see how that's a better option to renting at the Ricoh at this moment in time. Still I'm sure our owners are sharing all the details at the latest SCG and this time next week when the minutes are out we'll all be able to make an informed decision on wether it's a good idea or not.
Some people on here seem to have never met anyone from Earlsdon.
BPA ain't going to happen. Our only option is to negotiate an on going deal at the Ricoh.
A lot of that goes on though, isn't there, Tony?
I've been away out of touch but having read this stuff through I think there is no possibility we will be going to the BPA any time soon. I said it long ago there simply is not the capacity to grow a big city club there. This club will get out of league 1 even with SISU in charge. In the Championship and beyond we will need capacity. The Ricoh is still the obvious choice. We are in a strong position there tbh. Wasp can not survive there long term without a supporting tenant in my opinion. Time will come when we are the focus there with 30k crowds and the pressure on Wasp to deal with 'ownership' rights will crop up again and again...particularly if we have new owners and are sitting in the Premier league or even holding steady in the Championship.They need us now and we can and should find a way to work together and believe ultimately they will.
The alternative is some sort of home at the BPA while we wait and see Wasp struggle with overhead. Then come pouncing back and try to win the Ricoh deal back...really? Even SISU can't be thinking of going down that kind of road again. The light in the tunnel has been on this last twelve months. TM and MV - finally a proper management team, we very nearly joined in the fun of promotion. SISU I believe will encourage them with one of the best budgets in the league this coming season (it doesn't take much to do that in league 1) and I honestly believe we will get promoted. 30k at the Ricoh come April time is not unlikely as fans interest peaks. And that's what we are as a club folks. We are not (I hope) going to condemn ourselves to the BPA and step backwards in time and start acting like we never were a premier league outfit for 34 years prior to our dramatic slide. If it were my business I would keep us at the Ricoh and aim for promotions. Let the rest take care of itself as the success accumulates. It was always going to be difficult for WASP to sustain the Ricoh and keep it for their sole use while ignoring a one team big city football club standing on the sidelines. For that they were naive and the council at the time stupid.
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