You know there has been. Why are you playing let's pretend again? You have the mild end of the scale with someone like NW on here saying he wouldn't want to see anyone who's been involved under SISU involved again to people ranting on here about Hoffman at the merest mention of his name. Not just on here, there's been comments on the phone in, Facebook, twitter and I've even heard people talk about it in the queue for drinks at the Ricoh.
Joe Elliot is another, although more understandable given his involvement with SISU arriving as soon as he's mentioned in any context the "uncle joe" comments start flying but as has already been pointed out he is someone who does have good links with businesses in Coventry and if utilised in that roll could probably do a good job. But why would he get involved with SISU again? And there's always going to be a section of fans who wouldn't except it. It's started already on this thread.
But when most people rant what are they actually ranting about? I honestly haven't seen him have all of the "SISU Stooge" type stuff along the lines of somebody like Fisher.
I can understand somebody wanting a completely clean slate from anybody who has been here through everything in terms of CCFC fans but has it stopped Hoffman in his day to day business when getting jobs that he was Vice chairman (I think) of CCFC?
Most of the annoyance I can see about Hoffman is all of the bid stuff and the games and then some about the academy when he was here.
If from nowhere it was announced he had bought the club and was the new chairman I'd say the negative stuff would be minimal.
Yeah, my first question of anybody getting involved with SISU would be 'why'?Why would he have all the stuff that Fisher has had? He was never had the involvement in the day to day running that Fisher has had. There's still people out there though who don't want him involved in the club because he has been in the past under SISU. One of who has already put his hand up. It's nonsense to suggest getting involved with the club under SISU won't tarnish your reputation. Many won't forgive and forget Hoffman for it and many many more won't forgive Elliot for it. Anybody who's been involved with the boardroom under SISU haven't exactly come out of it well have they? Steve Waggots probably come out with the best reputation of any of them. No wonder we're a mess.
Why would he have all the stuff that Fisher has had? He was never had the involvement in the day to day running that Fisher has had. There's still people out there though who don't want him involved in the club because he has been in the past under SISU. One of who has already put his hand up. It's nonsense to suggest getting involved with the club under SISU won't tarnish your reputation. Many won't forgive and forget Hoffman for it and many many more won't forgive Elliot for it. Anybody who's been involved with the boardroom under SISU haven't exactly come out of it well have they? Steve Waggots probably come out with the best reputation of any of them. No wonder we're a mess.
Hence why someone like Fisher, with no local affinity to the area, is far better suited to enacting SISU's 'vision' than, say, John Clarke, who resigned as soon as it all started to blow up.But you are talking about reputation in terms of CCFC aren't you, with fans etc?
Just wondering. I was listening to the radio on the way home and someone can't remember who was talking about how well Robins has spent his budget and managed to hold on to a player.
It got me wondering, is there anything that SISU could do to win the fans back and be forgiven?
Would having a good competitive team, a stadium, etc be enough?
They'd be the first to deliver a top six finish in many a year, so in the eyes of some fans they'd be heroes, what with that and a cup win at Wembley...If we gain promotion this season...
Will sisu claim to be successful owners ???
Hence why someone like Fisher, with no local affinity to the area, is far better suited to enacting SISU's 'vision' than, say, John Clarke, who resigned as soon as it all started to blow up.
Association with SISU could have a permanent detrimental affect on your career if you're just locally based. If you fancy a career in Derivatives, maybe not...
They'd be the first to deliver a top six finish in many a year, so in the eyes of some fans they'd be heroes, what with that and a cup win at Wembley...
Do I really need the disclaimer?!?
Hence why someone like Fisher, with no local affinity to the area, is far better suited to enacting SISU's 'vision' than, say, John Clarke, who resigned as soon as it all started to blow up.
Association with SISU could have a permanent detrimental affect on your career if you're just locally based. If you fancy a career in Derivatives, maybe not...
So all the "We batter people in court" started when they took charge of CCFC? Do you think we're blind to what they've done to businesses prior to them taking and "Conning shareholders" out of their shares?
How is that related to the context of my post?
Of course it's related. You're saying it's within the context of CCFC. I'm saying we're not all short sighted not to see the bigger picture.
Oh dear you and Grendel were getting on so wellWhilst any improvement in the team is welcome, as too is an improvement in relations between CCFC and its fans, could I forgive and forget SISU's part in our demise?................ NO
I think people should consider the old adage " a leopard never changes its spots" ............. SISU are here for one thing only and that is to gain benefit for the funds they manage. That is not going to change if things improve, stay the same or indeed if they got worse. SISU management have no affinity for the club, its history or team. CCFC is an investment tool to be used focussed on their investors best interests, they will continue to make decisions on the basis of SISU investors first, sometimes those interests coincide with the best interests of CCFC.
I really do not understand why because we get a few results people assume that SISU objectives and commitments have changed - it simply doesn't work that way. It hasn't changed. A little success for the fans after such a long time will not change that
Whilst SISU have not called in the loans and we believe not paid down the interest debt, they have as far as we know not provided more funds. Yes we have signed players, on the back of wage cuts, cancelled contracts etc funded by the Wembley trip, ST sales, player sales & add ons. Put simply we had to sign players simply to have a team. I accept that they have appointed MR and allowed him to commence a rebuild, but in the lowest division we have been in for decades. As yet nothing has been achieved and the problems have not changed or gone away even if currently results have started heading in the right direction.
They have parked the club in the bottom division, and at the moment got lucky that MR came back to rebuild it. They are still playing a game of bluff/risk with key decision makers based on an assessment of "they wouldn't dare"
The feel good factor of the team should not disguise the problems and the major cause of those problems. Anything they did do would not be a step forward as such but a step back to what was essential. Anything that they could do would simply be a given for many other clubs. Anything they need to do is in large part due to the awful management and decisions they have brought and would be simply to rectify their own mistakes . Should anyone give them credit or an easier time simply because the team wins a few games? or because SISU decide that they have an obligation to provide the essential basics of a professional football team? I think not
So no I neither forgive nor forget
I agree entirely, although I would suggest atm there's more a relief we aren't sliding any further - there appears (anecdotally at least) a lot less of the 'SISU have learned from their mistakes' that we had when Mowbray started the season well.I think people should consider the old adage " a leopard never changes its spots" ............. SISU are here for one thing only and that is to gain benefit for the funds they manage. That is not going to change if things improve, stay the same or indeed if they got worse. SISU management have no affinity for the club, its history or team. CCFC is an investment tool to be used focussed on their investors best interests, they will continue to make decisions on the basis of SISU investors first, sometimes those interests coincide with the best interests of CCFC.
I really do not understand why because we get a few results people assume that SISU objectives and commitments have changed - it simply doesn't work that way. It hasn't changed. A little success for the fans after such a long time will not change that
OK, fair enough thenBut the OP was specifically talking about SISU so my comments are at their level of management
Yup, there was anger when we lost a couple of games early season, then it dissapated.no one Nick but that's not the point. The premise is that both consciously and sub consciously if the team do well because of the fine work by MR & co then SISU get an easier ride. If they then sweetened things then people might be inclined to forgive and forget.......... especially if SISU actually stay very quiet. Personally I cant do that, but equally I do not allow it to spoil my enjoyment of sport either
Whether the team does well or not is irrelevant to SISU objectives, those haven't and wont change. They can be pressed on with the minimum of fuss and scrutiny far easier if the team is doing well, that's just a fact of life. Football fans want to see their team do well on the pitch, and very understandably are not in the main part bothered about off the pitch matters.
SISU and the problems they bring have not disappeared but you would have to say currently are under far less proper scrutiny. Aside from the NOPMers there are no protests, and the protests are far harder to arrange and motivate if CCFC are winning for example
no one Nick but that's not the point. The premise is that both consciously and sub consciously if the team do well because of the fine work by MR & co then SISU get an easier ride. If they then sweetened things then people might be inclined to forgive and forget.......... especially if SISU actually stay very quiet. Personally I cant do that, but equally I do not allow it to spoil my enjoyment of sport either
Whether the team does well or not is irrelevant to SISU objectives, those haven't and wont change. They can be pressed on with the minimum of fuss and scrutiny far easier if the team is doing well, that's just a fact of life. Football fans want to see their team do well on the pitch, and very understandably are not in the main part bothered about off the pitch matters. In fact there is a sense at the moment that fans are so tired of it all they veer away from the problems/challenges whether they go to matches or not
SISU and the problems they bring have not disappeared but you would have to say currently are under far less proper scrutiny. Aside from the NOPMers there are no protests, and the protests are far harder to arrange and motivate if CCFC are winning for example
Well they could fuck offis there anything that SISU could do to win the fans back
No the lack of protests is due to JHW disbanding which is due to most not attending home matches any more.Is the lack of protests when we do well the reason the whole "ccfc are forcing the legal action" approach is being taken and pushed?
People won't be as interested in protesting against ccfc if we are doing well, it doesn't mean people suddenly love sisu or forgive everything. They are just enjoying the football and ccfc so don't want to protest against that.
Not talking about you, but you can tell the desperation with some people when we do well.
The fans that are left are perhaps happy with our lot. So many fans now have given up caring, I think relegation last year, totally avoidable in my opinion was the straw that broke the camels back. A serious promotion challenge might bring some interest back towards the back end of the season shan't be holding my breath though
no one Nick but that's not the point. The premise is that both consciously and sub consciously if the team do well because of the fine work by MR & co then SISU get an easier ride. If they then sweetened things then people might be inclined to forgive and forget.......... especially if SISU actually stay very quiet. Personally I cant do that, but equally I do not allow it to spoil my enjoyment of sport either
Whether the team does well or not is irrelevant to SISU objectives, those haven't and wont change. They can be pressed on with the minimum of fuss and scrutiny far easier if the team is doing well, that's just a fact of life. Football fans want to see their team do well on the pitch, and very understandably are not in the main part bothered about off the pitch matters. In fact there is a sense at the moment that fans are so tired of it all they veer away from the problems/challenges whether they go to matches or not
SISU and the problems they bring have not disappeared but you would have to say currently are under far less proper scrutiny. Aside from the NOPMers there are no protests, and the protests are far harder to arrange and motivate if CCFC are winning for example
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