Israel - Palestinian Conflict (12 Viewers)

duffer · Apr 8, 2024

As for why there's support for Hamas amongst Palestinians and potentially elsewhere, here's an interesting Jewish perspective on it, also from the JC.

In short, the author argues this doesn't end without some sort of commitment to a two-state solution from Israel.

Former Shin Bet chief: Invading Rafah will not defeat Hamas

A military operation without the promise of two states will ultimately end with the resurgence of the terror group

www.thejc.com

clint van damme · Apr 8, 2024

duffer said:
As for why there's support for Hamas amongst Palestinians and potentially elsewhere, here's an interesting Jewish perspective on it, also from the JC.

In short, the author argues this doesn't end without some sort of commitment to a two-state solution from Israel.

Former Shin Bet chief: Invading Rafah will not defeat Hamas

A military operation without the promise of two states will ultimately end with the resurgence of the terror group

www.thejc.com

And unfortunately Netanyahu and his cronies have enabled Hamas to ensure a 2 state solution is unlikely.

duffer · Apr 8, 2024

clint van damme said:
And unfortunately Netanyahu and his cronies have enabled Hamas to ensure a 2 state solution is unlikely.

Exactly that. We should never forget that Netanyahu supported Hamas for precisely that reason.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

Grendel · Apr 8, 2024

duffer said:
Facts. Don't make me laugh. You're either a complete troll or just incredibly dim. Pretty sad either way.

I think you're probably just desperately looking for attention, rather than believing the bullshit you're spouting, but just in case, here's a simple explanation of why you're wrong. Again.

Were the Nazis Socialists? | Britannica

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?

www.britannica.com

The argument is pointless

The Uk communist party aligned closely to Stalin in the war years and beyond and Stalin himself was a brutal dictator in the Hitler mode.

Similar to the lefts icon Chairman Mao

fernandopartridge · Apr 8, 2024

I'll place great faith in an article with no link to the actual poll and no actual quote of the specific wording of the questions.

Mucca Mad Boys · Apr 8, 2024

clint van damme said:
Who is it offensive to?
You've posted once in this thread and it's to complain about a profile picture, not a word about thousands of dead children, do you think you've got your priorities right?

You’re not stupid, you know full well who it’s offensive to. Thank you for seeing your error and removing the profile picture.

I’m not getting involved with this topic on a football forum. Don’t presume to know where I stand on this.

If you’ve ever studied the holocaust, you’d understand the pervasiveness of equating the only Jewish state to the Nazis together.

The word ‘nazi’ and ‘fascist’ gets branded about so cheaply people have lost the true meaning of the words.

On that note, I’m out of this thread.

SBT · Apr 8, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
I'll place great faith in an article with no link to the actual poll and no actual quote of the specific wording of the questions.

The poll itself is here: Polling — JLP

This is the company behind it: Senior Team — JLP

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 8, 2024

SBT said:
The poll itself is here: Polling — JLP

This is the company behind it: Senior Team — JLP

There’s some leading questions but pretty reasonable
Interesting other answers not included in the article as grendel pointed out
Not last 15% of the general population want homosexuality criminalised! I think that was the question and a similar number wanting abortion banned - again I think that was the question

Also the side with Hamas or Israel question isn’t good
The support Hamas is a very clear question

Sick Boy · Apr 8, 2024

messiahrobins said:
This is a very binary issue, you either support Israel or Nazis. Hamas have long established links with the Nazis. Pick your poison.

Hardly. One of my best mates is Jewish but doesn’t support Israel; is he a Nazi?

shmmeee · Apr 8, 2024

SBT said:
The poll itself is here: Polling — JLP

This is the company behind it: Senior Team — JLP

Now do other religions.

Catholics for gay marriage; Protestants for euthanasia | YouGov

YouGov Profiles data comparing religious Catholics and Protestants in Britain reveals strikingly different approaches to key moral issues

yougov.co.uk

fernandopartridge · Apr 8, 2024

SBT said:
The poll itself is here: Polling — JLP

This is the company behind it: Senior Team — JLP

Oh it's a right wing Think Tank, we don't hear enough from those guys

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messiahrobins · Apr 8, 2024

Sick Boy said:
Hardly. One of my best mates is Jewish but doesn’t support Israel; is he a Nazi?

If he supports Hamas yes he is.

messiahrobins · Apr 8, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
How about just wanting a two state solution where Hamas are decommissioned and Israel withdraw their illegal settlements from the West Bank?

No. A two state solution is abject surrender.
Hamas need wiping out, then Iran dealt with next.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 8, 2024

messiahrobins said:
No. A two state solution is abject surrender.
Hamas need wiping out, then Iran dealt with next.

What would you do with Iran? Full invasion?

messiahrobins · Apr 8, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
Again. Do you believe that the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is a democracy? You seem to be struggling with oxymorons again. As well as facts.

Did they force their citizens to have vaccines and arrest people for going for a walk?

messiahrobins · Apr 8, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
What would you do with Iran? Full invasion?

Tricky one that, as full invasions tend to become problematic, as much as i support Israel for instance and while they are dismantling Hamas it has taken too long and obviously come at a high price for civilians which means their intelligence of where hamas was cannot have been that accurate.
Economic sanctions are a waste of time. I would try to expose their links with Russia as Iran i believe is propped up by Russia and that financial link needs to stop to cripple the Iranian leaders.
Tony Blair and George Bush should be in prison as the worse mistake ever was getting rid of Saddam as he kept that region in check.

messiahrobins · Apr 8, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
If it was binary it wouldn’t have been going on for decades. You really ain’t very clever. I’m on the side of the tens of thousands of innocent people who have been killed. Even in Israel it isn’t binary. Tens of thousands Israelis took to the streets again over the weekend demanding an end to hostilities, a negotiation for the return of the hostages, Netanyahu to resign and an immediate general election. Are you really suggesting that tens of thousands of Israeli Jews are on the side of “Nazis”?

You cannot be very bright if you think 10,000 represents a majority of public opinion.
I can tell you in Israel the public overwhelmingly support Netanyahu.
WE all agree about the tragic loss of innocent lives. Thats not on Israel. It is on Hamas. That is the key point

messiahrobins · Apr 8, 2024

duffer said:
Facts. Don't make me laugh. You're either a complete troll or just incredibly dim. Pretty sad either way.

I think you're probably just desperately looking for attention, rather than believing the bullshit you're spouting, but just in case, here's a simple explanation of why you're wrong. Again.

Were the Nazis Socialists? | Britannica

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?

www.britannica.com

That is a far left publication lmao. You really are gullible.
The Nazis were socialists, Andrew Neil did an in depth article about it years ago he referred to on This Week.

messiahrobins · Apr 8, 2024

duffer said:
Entirely irrelevant bunch of waffle. You're flapping a bit now mate, so let's keep it simple. Just answer one question, it's not a hard one so there's no need to panic, love...

Does Braverman describe herself as specialising in Judicial Review. Yes or no?

No she did not. I have utterly embarrassed you which was not my intent, i just was seeking to educate you as to how lawyers operate.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 8, 2024

messiahrobins said:
Tricky one that, as full invasions tend to become problematic, as much as i support Israel for instance and while they are dismantling Hamas it has taken too long and obviously come at a high price for civilians which means their intelligence of where hamas was cannot have been that accurate.
Economic sanctions are a waste of time. I would try to expose their links with Russia as Iran i believe is propped up by Russia and that financial link needs to stop to cripple the Iranian leaders.
Tony Blair and George Bush should be in prison as the worse mistake ever was getting rid of Saddam as he kept that region in check.

Wasn’t Saddam an enemy of Israel for most of his time in office?

SBT · Apr 8, 2024

messiahrobins said:
I can tell you in Israel the public overwhelmingly support Netanyahu.

Foolish as it may be to try and reason with everyone’s favourite pro-Saddam Israel-whisperer, but yeah this just isn’t remotely true is it

David O'Day · Apr 8, 2024

messiahrobins said:
That is a far left publication lmao. You really are gullible.
The Nazis were socialists, Andrew Neil did an in depth article about it years ago he referred to on This Week.

Amazing, the comedy of your wuming is top notch.

Calling the Encyclopædia Britannica "far left" and using "Andrew Neill" as a credible source.

Bravo, sir Barvo

skybluetony176 · Apr 8, 2024

messiahrobins said:
You cannot be very bright if you think 10,000 represents a majority of public opinion.
I can tell you in Israel the public overwhelmingly support Netanyahu.
WE all agree about the tragic loss of innocent lives. Thats not on Israel. It is on Hamas. That is the key point

You can’t tell me that the public overwhelmingly support Netanyahu because it’s simply not true. Latest polling out of Isreal currently has 71% of the population thinks he should resign.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 8, 2024

messiahrobins said:
That is a far left publication lmao. You really are gullible.
The Nazis were socialists, Andrew Neil did an in depth article about it years ago he referred to on This Week.

Well, if you want to go into it…the ‘northern’ Nazis early on, namely the Strasser brothers and Goebbels, did argue for more socialism in the party. They lost out to Hitler’s faction and from then on it was not socialist in the slightest.

Unless you seek to conflate being authoritarian with being left wing as shmmeee did a while back

David O'Day · Apr 8, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well, if you want to go into it…the ‘northern’ Nazis early on, namely the Strasser brothers and Goebbels, did argue for more socialism in the party. They lost out to Hitler’s faction and from then on it was not socialist in the slightest.

Unless you seek to conflate being authoritarian with being left wing as shmmeee did a while back

Look at his post, look at what he calls a "far left" publication.

He's a WUM

Liquid Gold · Apr 8, 2024

I genuinely had to google if that was Encyclopaedia Brittanica's site then because I couldn't believe someone was calling one of the most reputable sources in the entire world far left.

David O'Day · Apr 8, 2024

Liquid Gold said:
I genuinely had to google if that was Encyclopaedia Brittanica's site then because I couldn't believe someone was calling one of the most reputable sources in the entire world far left.

Same,

Ian1779 · Apr 8, 2024

messiahrobins said:
That is a far left publication lmao. You really are gullible.
The Nazis were socialists, Andrew Neil did an in depth article about it years ago he referred to on This Week.

shmmeee · Apr 8, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well, if you want to go into it…the ‘northern’ Nazis early on, namely the Strasser brothers and Goebbels, did argue for more socialism in the party. They lost out to Hitler’s faction and from then on it was not socialist in the slightest.

Unless you seek to conflate being authoritarian with being left wing as shmmeee did a while back

Being left wing is being authoritarian. There ain’t no invisible hand of economic justice.

Sick Boy · Apr 9, 2024

messiahrobins said:
If he supports Hamas yes he is.

Apart from you actually said “you either support Israel or Nazis.” Obviously he doesn’t support Hamas but he doesn’t support Israel; so what is he?

Ian1779 · Apr 9, 2024

I think messiahrobins may be Marjorie Taylor Greene in the real world.

OffenhamSkyBlue · Apr 9, 2024

SBT said:
The poll itself is here: Polling — JLP

This is the company behind it: Senior Team — JLP

Did they meet at primary school??

So James Johnson was the one who advised Theresa May to call the snap general election which led to her ultimate downfall? Clearly no clue about politics!

Ccfcisparks · Apr 9, 2024

Is MessiahRobins our friend who was over in Budapest

Sick Boy · Apr 9, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Is MessiahRobins our friend who was over in Budapest

Don’t think so but most likely a former poster.

Grendel · Apr 9, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Is MessiahRobins our friend who was over in Budapest

No he does have a brain unlike that simpleton

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