No she did not. I have utterly embarrassed you which was not my intent, i just was seeking to educate you as to how lawyers operate.
Being left wing is being authoritarian. There ain’t no invisible hand of economic justice.
Probably not for this thread, but I think it's entirely possible to be left wing and broadly libertarian. Controlling the worst excesses of capitalism is more about regulation of business and redistributive policies than removing individual rights, surely.
The Political Compass website has a bit on this, from memory.
Business rights are individual rights on a base level. Being left wing is generally a belief that people need coercing by the state into universally beneficial actions, I agree with that generally. Greed is a powerful tool, but needs curbing. That goes beyond big business. The traditional left wing position on immigration is one of state control of borders to protect domestic worker wages. Sugar tax, smoking regulation, state education, all removing individual rights for the collective good.
We get around it by framing it as a freedom argument cos that’s popular, I can’t be free if you’re given untrammelled freedom sort of thing. But fundamentally the question is do we want to fix things with the law? If so you’re left wing by definition.
Well argued, but I think where we differ is in the definition of authoritarian.
I think the typical definition of authoritarian goes way beyond sugar tax, for example and into the realms of suppressing democracy and individual rights. Taxing sugar, or cigarettes, or booze, isn't the same as saying you can't have them, and it's not just left wing governments that take those steps.
As an aside, I'm not sure that's necessarily a 'traditional' left wing view on immigration either - in my day we were accused of being internationalists, from memory.
Regardless, I accept we differ on this and don't want to divert the thread too much... (too late!).
'The Nazis were socialists' is one of the thickest takes ever posted on here.
I'd love to see this article by the 'balanced' Andrew Neil.
It was totalitarianWas the Chinese communist party under Chairman Mao socialist?
Was the Chinese communist party under Chairman Mao socialist?
Oh of course Mr Contrarian thinks the Nazis were Socialists. Obviously.
It was totalitarian
i don’t think I’ve past judgement but I’d be fascinated to know how you would define socialism
Mussolini and Hitler for that matter were both famously pro capitalism as they believed it to be the driving force of industry and technology. Mussolini wasn’t the least bit interested in class war and the only person who considered him a socialist was himself. Like the Nazis it was window dressing and a faux claim to be socialist because they wanted to appeal to the working classes while trying to gain power.As are every anti capitalist societies - Mussolini was considered by many historians to be a socialist
He was a literal fascist which anyone would consider to be far right.As are every anti capitalist societies - Mussolini was considered by many historians to be a socialist
He was a literal fascist which anyone would consider to be far right.
So sorry you made a comment and cannot back it up.
That Nazis weren't socialists?
I mean that doesn't really take much backing up.
Where the state controls the means of productionNo I am asking you what is the principle definition of socialism - not a wiki link but what is it?
No I am asking you what is the principle definition of socialism - not a wiki link but what is it?
Where the state controls the means of production
Judicial Law isn't an area of law lol, it is part of Public Law which she specialises in. It is like saying a contract lawyer specialises in Consideration lol. Meaningless.Direct quote from her website Suella Braverman MP :
"I worked at the Bar for 10years (sic), specialising in Planning Law and Judicial Review."
Is the problem that you can't read, or that you're too lazy to bother?
I'm not trying to embarrass you either. I don't think you're capable of that level of self-reflection - if you were you wouldn't post such unmitigated rubbish.
Woke. It is a binary choice, there is no fence sitting. Pick a side.Apart from you actually said “you either support Israel or Nazis.” Obviously he doesn’t support Hamas but he doesn’t support Israel; so what is he?
So I haven't made a statement that I can't back up. Glad we agree.
The Nazis were not socialists and neither was Mussolini (when in power). That's really all there is to it.
Every sane person in history agrees. Obviously you disagree.
I'm not carrying on an argument where someone disagrees that the Nazis weren't socialists, it's absurd, so I'll leave you to it.
I love her. I genuinely asked her for a date on X. Yet to have a reply. She hot as well, added bonus.I think messiahrobins may be Marjorie Taylor Greene in the real world.
I agree it’s anti capitalist, I disagree that there is only one difference between it and socialism.Exactly - which is a denouncement of capitalism and therefore essentially is authoritarian
The only real difference between actual socialism and fascism is that the fascist ideology does not control the means but does control the private ownership of capital through state control, anti
Both are anti capitalist and anti democracy as democracy would mean potential change
The only real difference between actual socialism and fascism is that the fascist ideology does not control the means but does control the private ownership of capital through state control
We're not talking about the difference between socialism and fascism, it's the difference between socialism and the Nazis.
And clearly there is more than just that one difference between the two ffs.
Utterly absurd.
I agree it’s anti capitalist, I disagree that there is only one difference between it and socialism.
I agree it’s anti capitalist, I disagree that there is only one difference between it and socialism.
Judicial law doesn't even make sense, what are you on about?Judicial Law isn't an area of law lol, it is part of Public Law which she specialises in. It is like saying a contract lawyer specialises in Consideration lol. Meaningless.
"The Nazis were not socialist"
"but but Stalin, Mao, Mussolini. Michael Foot. I am clever."
Honest enough to say I don’t know enough about him.Would you say Michael Foot was in reality a Socialist in principal but operating in a capitalist society?
Honest enough to say I don’t know enough about him.
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