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[Liquid Gold]

You just gotta face reality deluded if think decent investment going to come. No clubs spending after covid other than the big clubs but Robins has had the backing to build a decent team this season. Why am I arguing with these miserable overreacting saddos anyway

We're a fucking big club

HUUUUGE

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

Hahaha god your fucking thick. How was today SISUS fault?

Would you have said that if we battered them. Today was unfortunate.

You are one thick bastard. We are currently operating on the breadline and don’t even have a full squad.

Take your SISU arselicking somewhere else

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You just gotta face reality deluded if think decent investment going to come. No clubs spending after covid other than the big clubs but Robins has had the backing to build a decent team this season. Why am I arguing with these miserable overreacting saddos anyway

How come Hull have just bid £2.5m for a striker then?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How come Hull have just bid £2.5m for a striker then?

That must mean 10 left backs are for sale

 

[clint van damme]

You just gotta face reality deluded if think decent investment going to come. No clubs spending after covid other than the big clubs but Robins has had the backing to build a decent team this season. Why am I arguing with these miserable overreacting saddos anyway

You've clearly not been reading people's posts properly mate.

 

[cc84cov]

You've clearly not been reading people's posts properly mate.

I think he’s drunk

 

[Grendel]

Good, add Stoke to the list.

not a chance

 

[pusbccfc]

not a chance

They'll all keep getting away with it.

 

[clint van damme]

I think he’s drunk

We all are!!

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

You just gotta face reality deluded if think decent investment going to come. No clubs spending after covid other than the big clubs but Robins has had the backing to build a decent team this season. Why am I arguing with these miserable overreacting saddos anyway

Millwall have been putting offers in

 

[The Philosopher]

If our recruitment was a bit less erratic then I’m sure SISU would invest more easily.

SISU are a stone cold business unlike many other club owners, who are either fans, egotists or see a club as a grown up train set.

SISU refer to football as “product”, fans as “consumers”, players are therefore stock or assets.

There has been a lot of talk about following the “Brentford Model”

Very few free transfers are actually “free”. Signing on fees and agents fees and then contract length etc.

The Da Costas, Hillsners, Jobello’s, were punts that didn’t work out. They could have set the world alight & in turn become a stock / asset, but they haven’t and their contracts become a liability. Add Bright to the list. Maybe Pask. Would Brentford have taken similar punts? Probably. They’ve not worked out but they were young and may have done. Worth a punt.

Gyok & Sheaf we’re money investments but young and well trialled before hand.

Waghorn broke the buying rule.

He’s 31 and was very unlikely to be an appreciative asset. His signing fee, agent fee and wage won’t be peanuts. Brentford model signing? Nope.

I’ve nothing against Waghorn, but he was a mistake from the off. SISU won’t be impressed and it’s things like this that will make them think twice.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If our recruitment was a bit less erratic then I’m sure SISU would invest more easily.

SISU are a stone cold business unlike many other club owners, who are either fans, egotists or see a club as a grown up train set.

SISU refer to football as “product”, fans as “consumers”, players are therefore stock or assets.

There has been a lot of talk about following the “Brentford Model”

Very few free transfers are actually “free”. Signing on fees and agents fees and then contract length etc.

The Da Costas, Hillsners, Jobello’s, were punts that didn’t work out. They could have set the world alight & in turn become a stock / asset, but they haven’t and their contracts become a liability. Add Bright to the list. Maybe Pask. Would Brentford have taken similar punts? Probably. They’ve not worked out but they were young and may have done. Worth a punt.

Gyok & Sheaf we’re money investments but young and well trialled before hand.

Waghorn broke the buying rule.

He’s 31 and was very unlikely to be an appreciative asset. His signing fee, agent fee and wage won’t be peanuts. Brentford model signing? Nope.

I’ve nothing against Waghorn, but he was a mistake from the off. SISU won’t be impressed and it’s things like this that will make them think twice.

Where to start with this, seriously

 

[SkyblueDad]

It’s a case of how much to get sisu out surely less than the millions to rescue Derby yet seems nobody is remotely interested in us.

 

[rexo87]

What an overreaction to a game where with even a slight proportion of luck we would have won. Is it really worth 'throwing a couple of million' at promotion this season?

Chances of us getting into the play offs even before todays game i would put at about 15%. If we then got into the play offs at best we would have a 25% chance of promotion.

15% x 25% = 3.75%.

Surely its worth sticking to our model of slow, incremental progress? I understand fans initial frustrations after losing a game especially when dominating for long parts but lets relax. Id rather the extra couple of million that fans are wanting to be spent on loan fees were spent on permanent players over the next couple of seasons and laying more solid foundations for our football club.

Doea anyone remember the days of Russell Slade, Nathan Clarke, kevin Foley and Yakubu?

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[Sick Boy]

The excuses being trotted out to defend the owners and their interests rates are bizarre. If this continues the club won’t progress further than this and has a much greater chance of being relegated back down to League 1 again.

 

[Sick Boy]

Hahaha god your fucking thick.

Oh dear.

 

[Sick Boy]

What an overreaction to a game where with even a slight proportion of luck we would have won. Is it really worth 'throwing a couple of million' at promotion this season?

Chances of us getting into the play offs even before todays game i would put at about 15%. If we then got into the play offs at best we would have a 25% chance of promotion.

15% x 25% = 3.75%.

Surely its worth sticking to our model of slow, incremental progress? I understand fans initial frustrations after losing a game especially when dominating for long parts but lets relax. Id rather the extra couple of million that fans are wanting to be spent on loan fees were spent on permanent players over the next couple of seasons and laying more solid foundations for our football club.

Doea anyone remember the days of Russell Slade, Nathan Clarke, kevin Foley and Yakubu?

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Solid foundations.

 

[Kieranp96]

Not ro bd a knob but we're just coning out of a global pandemic, why would thsy soend millions upon millions to help a club acheive whT its doing right now without the investment?

Do you want to see us pop like reading, derby, probably stoke and barnsly all for breaking fpr? Think i wouod rather stick with bare minimum investment without breaking the rules, especially for a few years.

 

[pusbccfc]

The excuses being trotted out to defend the owners and their interests rates are bizarre. If this continues the club won’t progress further than this and has a much greater chance of being relegated back down to League 1 again.

So what's the answer?

 

[Sick Boy]

So what's the answer?

Stop charging the interest to start with.

 

[Travs]

This rant/thread has came off the back of a defeat, where it can easily be argued that we dominated and many people wouldn't have questioned if we had won by a couple of goals.

Massive overreaction (colour me shocked)

Thread would never have happened if we had won (or even drew) yesterday. Read through the threads on this site. Very few expected anything out of the game, and that was before Godden was unfortunately ill.

Clowns

 

[clint van damme]

Not ro bd a knob but we're just coning out of a global pandemic, why would thsy soend millions upon millions to help a club acheive whT its doing right now without the investment?

Do you want to see us pop like reading, derby, probably stoke and barnsly all for breaking fpr? Think i wouod rather stick with bare minimum investment without breaking the rules, especially for a few years.

How many times do people have room say this,no one is talking about emulating Derby or Reading, just giving Robins a few additions of championship quality to a paper thin squad.

 

[Sick Boy]

This rant/thread has came off the back of a defeat, where it can easily be argued that we dominated and many people wouldn't have questioned if we had won by a couple of goals.

Massive overreaction (colour me shocked)

Thread would never have happened if we had won (or even drew) yesterday. Read through the threads on this site. Very few expected anything out of the game, and that was before Godden was unfortunately ill.

Clowns

It’s a much bigger issue and nothing to do with a single game.

 

[Tommo1993]

Agree about Waghorn. Considering he was our “marquee signing”, it was a massively disappointing one.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

How many times do people have room say this,no one is talking about emulating Derby or Reading, just giving Robins a few additions of championship quality to a paper thin squad.

I would agree with that. I would also say the bench was strong yesterday and we were competitive against a side in form. We have come a long long way and would exercise caution at this time coming out of the pandemic but I do think it’s time to start trading, I wouldn’t be adverse to giving Robins the go ahead to upgrade. Hopefully that would revive the team and the fans.

 

[Kieranp96]

How many times do people have room say this,no one is talking about emulating Derby or Reading, just giving Robins a few additions of championship quality to a paper thin squad.

Dont think the squad is championship quality? We just blew a team out the water litreally a week ago, and we outplayed ine of the best in the league yeaterday not to mention smashing Fulham 4-1 and drawing to blackburn and bournmouth.

 

[clint van damme]

I would agree with that. I would also say the bench was strong yesterday and we were competitive against a side in form. We have come a long long way and would exercise caution at this time coming out of the pandemic but I do think it’s time to start trading, I wouldn’t be adverse to giving Robins the go ahead to upgrade. Hopefully that would revive the team and the fans.

I'm not sure I'd agree the bench was strong to be honest.
We have 9 games between now and the end of February and I think it will really expose our lack of depth.
If we are still in the playoff picture at the end of that run I'll be delighted and it will consiture another Robins miracle!

 

[SkyblueDad]

Think we are as high as we will get with these owners promotion to the Premiership means higher transfer fees coupled with higher wages, eye watering to our owners, we would need five or six better players to just compete can’t see these owners wanting that.

 

[clint van damme]

Dont think the squad is championship quality? We just blew a team out the water litreally a week ago, and we outplayed ine of the best in the league yeaterday not to mention smashing Fulham 4-1 and drawing to blackburn and bournmouth.

The bench yesterday:

Rose - Championship player
Waghorn - Championship player
Wilson - Despite 2 decent games not sure he's up to this level.
Kelly - finished at this level.
Bidwell - Don't know much about him but looked rusty when he came on.
Jones - I think he's up to this level but he's been reduced to cameos as he returns from serious injury.
Eccles - Novice

We need more quality to move forward.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The bench yesterday:

Rose - Championship player
Waghorn - Championship player
Wilson - Despite 2 decent games not sure he's up to this level.
Kelly - finished at this level.
Bidwell - Don't know much about him but looked rusty when he came on.
Jones - I think he's up to this level but he's been reduced to cameos as he returns from serious injury.
Eccles - Novice

We need more quality to move forward.

Think you're a bit harsh on some of those. What's maybe more fair is we don't have much flexibility on *who* we can put on the bench. It's basically whoever's fit.

That said, sales pitch of come and be a sub for a middling Championship club ain't the easiest.

 

[djr8369]

Agree the loans still cost but only likely to be wages between now and the end of the season so a one off gamble. If we get promoted it’s 100m and SISU are sorted. SISU would have to fund the cost obviously but as I said it’s worth a punt for them as much as the club

I still think we might get at least one in but maybe I’m just an optimist

It isn’t worth a punt though. It would be a huge gamble. Look at all the clubs who have tried it and failed. Reading may well end up like Derby next season.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They are blowing the best chance we’ve had in 20 years of going up from this league

Are we back at the stage of wanting any owners to spend more than we get in?
If so how should this be funded?
If by loan is it ok to ever pay it back?

How much investment do we think we need? Clear to me a finisher is required but probably also some pace at the back and more consistency in midfield

 

[Kieranp96]

The bench yesterday:

Rose - Championship player
Waghorn - Championship player
Wilson - Despite 2 decent games not sure he's up to this level.
Kelly - finished at this level.
Bidwell - Don't know much about him but looked rusty when he came on.
Jones - I think he's up to this level but he's been reduced to cameos as he returns from serious injury.
Eccles - Novice

We need more quality to move forward.

Not denying that, but claiming we're not good enoigh to be championship level as we're is bollocks, we need investment to push on past championship no doubt but the club is not ready for the prem not even close, we woukd be embarrassed on and off the field if we somehow got up.

 

[The Philosopher]

Where to start with this, seriously

Maybe with a sarcastic comment in your case?
Bravo.

The point is simple


SISU (a business / hedge fund) set a playing budget for transfers and wages.

They seem to give the management team an amount of autonomy with what they do with that budget.

Let’s look at this hypothetical (but not totally fanciful scenario):

CCFC Mgt Team: “SISU, we need a few more quid to cover the striker role. We’ve sent out Walker to free up wages like you said to get cover at LWB. Now MG has a dodgy appendix. Won’t be 100% for about 10 games.”

SISU: “OK, let’s look at this. What did you spend the summer budget on?, who did you sign as marquee striker”

CCFC: “Well there was Bright…”

SISU: “Yeah, didn’t work out that - still it was worth a punt - could have turned out differently. SISU is Scandi for “brave” don’t you know. We take risks where there is potential for profit. Who was your other striker marquee signing. The one on big wages?”

CCFC: “Waghorn”

SISU: “What’s he worth now? How old is he?can’t we shift him on to another club to pay his wages? Will he develop there and become more valuable? That’s what we do. Buy players we can shift on, right?”

CCFC: “he’s 32. No, sorry, no one will sign him or pay £10k per week for some reason”.

SISU: “Right….. “

CCFC: “but some people on the Sky Blue forum think that’s a good idea and he’s a genius signing”

SISU: “for f***s sake. 200k on agents fees, 10k per week for 2 years for someone who doesn’t play. With tax that’s 1.5m. That’s the type of signing that got us in to this mess at the outset. It’s the type of stupid thing that Derby would do - look at them now. Where did you sign him from?”

CCFC: “err…”

 

[bawtryneal]

Well why have Hull’s new owners bought them?

Because they are stupid and on an "ego trip"
Will all end in tears.