Scored some goals with his left foot and I don’t like that so they don’t count either.How many pens did McNulty score last season there was a few
It was a gentleman's agreement, as in they couldn't force us to in the contract, but they could force us to in terms of refusing to sell him to us unless...I’m sure when we signed Leon Mckenzie Norwich banned him from playing against them for both games that season
Oh...yeah, that flukey 25yd free-kick, LOLZ!!11!Just for the record, he’s now scored 5 goals, but they include 2 pens and a free kick, in 20 appearances, so I’d say he’s more of a 1 goal in 10 matches type of player. I’m not saying he’s shit, but I’d suggest he’s not worth £500,000.
It was a gentleman's agreement, as in they couldn't force us to in the contract, but they could force us to in terms of refusing to sell him to us unless...
(Of course, many might argue that Norwich should have been ruthless and insisted he *had* to play against them!)
tbf, I always thought he got a bit of a hard time from some of us - never thought he was *that* bad myself.Will always have a soft spot for him, as he was the first player i saw score live for coventry!
Hahaha, great post. "I want to slag him off, so i am going to remove 3 goals to make him look worse." He's a 1 in 4 striker, as the stats you provided just showed. Can't just remove stats.
Well that makes him prolific then.Oh...yeah, that flukey 25yd free-kick, LOLZ!!11!
You're right, don't count....
2 goals from open play in 20 matches!Oh...yeah, that flukey 25yd free-kick, LOLZ!!11!
You're right, don't count....
You can’t remove them but stats can be misleading....
2 goals from open play in 20 matches!
Want to argue that statement.
He could of had 4 or 5 goals in the last 2 games alone if he knew what a goal looked like.
If you include his free kick goal (good as it was) that makes him a 1 goal in 7 player.
He's still not a £500000 striker.
2 goals from open play in 20 matches!
Want to argue that statement.
He could of had 4 or 5 goals in the last 2 games alone if he knew what a goal looked like.
If you include his free kick goal (good as it was) that makes him a 1 goal in 7 player.
He's still not a £500000 striker.
Yes I agree, because you can have a stat to back an argument. Doesn't mean that what he says is right. By definition Chaplin is a 1 in 4 striker. No arguing with that.
There isn’t arguing that but stats are black and white and don’t identify the variables. By that logic you could say if a striker scored 20 penalities in one season that makes him a 20 goal striker. When in reality he isn’t, he’s just a very good penalty taker. I don’t agree with his post as being able to take penalties is a significant factor if makes a good all round striker. E.g. McNulty last season. Plus, they all count don’t they?
I genuinely believe Chaplin be worth his weight in gold in the seasons to come. I’m just stating that fans should take facts with a pinch of salt as I find it’s like looking at a player through rose tinted spectacles rather than seeing the bigger picture and the player’s actual makeup.
Well yes it is a fact that he would be a 20 goal striker. Because he scored 20 goals. They do all count as you say
What happens if it was a left back who scored 15 pens? Does that make him a 15 goal striker?
But by definition in football isn’t a 20 goal striker a player who will regularly score in and around 20 goals per season, or has prior success of scoring a signficant amount of goals staggered over the course of his career? If you score 20 penalities in one season but no goals from open play that doesn’t qualify you as a 20 goal striker as it’s pretty likely you won’t replicate such a feat again in your career. Like I said it just makes you a very good penalty taker.
This is why stats aren’t everything. No consideration of the variables.
Well no? That is peoples perception, not necessarily the facts. If you are a striker and score 20 goals, it doesn't matter how, then you are a 20 goal striker. It's also pretty likely you won't get 20 goals in a season, so it just seems you are wanting to argue about anything?
I’m not arguing about anything I’m simply trying to show that stats aren’t everything because they aren’t. If you look at stats and nothing else you have no idea of how the player scored the goals, the type of goal that was scored and the circumstance it was scored in. To suggest that doesn’t matter because 20 goals count as 20 goals just shows no understanding of football whatsoever.
To be fair Milivojevic (still a very decent player) got highlgihted much more for Palace last season purely because he scored about 11 goals and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of them are penalties. Ronaldo (obviously one of the best in the world) has scored around 100 penalties in his career, take that tally off and all of a sudden his numbers would start to look a lot more like Suarez's who doesn't really ever take penalties. Whether it's right or wrong, (personally I believe any footballer should be able to bury 85%+ of penalties) it will inflate a players reputation.There isn’t arguing that but stats are black and white and don’t identify the variables. By that logic you could say if a striker scored 20 penalities in one season that makes him a 20 goal striker. When in reality he isn’t, he’s just a very good penalty taker. I don’t agree with his post as being able to take penalties is a significant factor if makes a good all round striker. E.g. McNulty last season. Plus, they all count don’t they?
I genuinely believe Chaplin be worth his weight in gold in the seasons to come. I’m just stating that fans should take facts with a pinch of salt as I find it’s like looking at a player through rose tinted spectacles rather than seeing the bigger picture and the player’s actual makeup.
Did i say stats mean everything? Did i say to look at nothing but stats? No i simple said that by definition Chaplin is a one in four striker.
To suggest an invalid argument to try and support your point also suggests no football understanding? Also if my team were getting 20 penalties a season, i would suggest that we must have one hell of a tricky player, who would more than make up for the lack of open play goals from your imaginary 20 penalty argurementsstriker!
To be fair Milivojevic (still a very decent player) got highlgihted much more for Palace last season purely because he scored about 11 goals and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of them are penalties. Ronaldo (obviously one of the best in the world) has scored around 100 penalties in his career, take that tally off and all of a sudden his numbers would start to look a lot more like Suarez's who doesn't really ever take penalties. Whether it's right or wrong, (personally I believe any footballer should be able to bury 85%+ of penalties) it will inflate a players reputation.
Any striker will tell you all goals count. How many times have you seen strikers get a touch on the line to goal bound shot just to claim a goal. Do you not allow these? And what about deflections, ricochets, rebounds when charging down the keeper. Where’s the cut off point
Exactly I’m not necessarily saying pens are less of a goal than a normal goal as skill is still required to take them and they all count towards the final result. But they do boost a players stats like you say so they can very much distort a fans opinion of a player if you neglect looking at the bigger picture.
I thought this was the Jayden Stockley thread ?
Nobody's not looking at the bigger picture though? Well except fatso maybe, but he's entitled to his opinion
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