Frostie
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Pretty sure he said it's not as simple as 2 up front = More goals like most think but that he'd switch between 1 up & 2 up depending on the opposition & situation.
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Pretty sure he said it's not as simple as 2 up front = More goals like most think but that he'd switch between 1 up & 2 up depending on the opposition & situation.
Brighton Sky Blue
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'It's not us' yet our most impressive performances and wins this season have come playing it and commentators observe it seems a more natural fit for us. It's like he wants relegation to go as tight as possible
shmmeee
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Why?
We have one AM in the entire squad we trust to get on the pitch. One ST means just two attacking players and you get what we’ve got: isolation and a compressed back line/midfield.
If he wants to play one up IMO we need to play O’Hare and Györkeres as wide forwards in a three. One way or another you need at least three attacking players on the pitch, if not four or five.
Evo1883
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Certain formations and teams will overload the middle and beat us comfortably if we take the extra man out.. if we had better players I'd agree with you , we could play 2 up every week to offset as we'd have a better defence ..but with us conceding silly goals we should adjust to each team accordingly
If we are to play 2 up I'd rather we do it in a 442 as you can defend in 2 banks of 4 and stay tight .
We don't have the players to play 442
shmmeee
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I think my main point is that defence isn’t just having loads of defenders on the pitch but can also be having the ball away from your goal for extended periods.
Have four midfielders and two wingbacks if you want, but don’t make all bar one of them defensive minded. I’d rather Jamie Allen even in the two behind the striker. Anyone with an attacking mindset. Hamer is not an AM.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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'Target man' in the mould of Biamou. This is what I couldn't understand about Robins' logic. He seemed hell-bent to converting him into Biamou 2.0 where he could disrupt play, hold the ball up, bring others into attack and essentially do the dirty work when this just wasn't his game at all. It never was.
But when he discarded him he regularly started Baka who despite Robins' efforts can do none of those things anyway. It was just a bizarre decision when we were already struggling for goals - I believe we finished the season with our GF on par with a couple of those in the relegation spots - and yet play-offs were still within reach.
Out of any of the strikers he brought in that season I believe JCH would've been the easiest to accommodate if Robins was willing to make minor tweaks to his attacking play by focusing more on getting crosses into the box and encouraging JCH to make runs in behind when opportunities arise. Really, if you look back at some of the goals during that season not all that dissimilar to how we played, especially with regards to other players creating chances from crosses/through balls. However, once Robins gets set in his ways about something that's it.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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We should learn from Barnsley's approach to games-play to your strengths against everyone and accept the defeats against the best sides in the division.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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This is another issue that's regularly apparent. If he wants a way of playing that's absolutely fine. But the insistence on bringing in strikers to play a particular role that negates their core qualities is nothing short of odd and a significant waste of budget.
Evo1883
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To be fair , we've looked terrible at times with 2 up too .
Surely people realise by now that we aren't really that much better ...the main factor in our league position really has been the loss of our two main strikers for extended periods and our captain.
I'd argue we had a fully fit squad for most the season we'd be sat about 15th and not worrying about relegation
Another 7 or 8 points on what we have currently would have been achieved I think
Frostie
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This I agree with.
I don't think the formation has been the issue in the last couple of games, it was the choice of personnel in that midfield (and the selection of Biamou as the striker). Although I certainly wouldn't call Hamer "defensive minded" he's definitely better operating from deeper.
If we're to play the box it has to be Hamer + Kelly or James as the deeper 2 with O'Hare + 1 (Allen imo) as the CAMs.
Evo1883
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Let's be honest , we had the chances against Luton and Wycombe to make them totally different matches .
We failed to take them
Had we took a point at Luton and beat Wycombe nobody would really be questioning our setup that much .
The chances missed in both games were criminal in many ways
KenilworthSkyBlue
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We aren't better at all as Biamou simply can't play in a two. He lacks the positional awareness and often finds himself being dragged into strange positions which then subsequently isolates his striking partner.
However, as other posters have said it'll be interesting how a Godden and Walker partnership will look.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I'm not saying we play 5-3-2 every week and it solves all our problems. We still make problems for ourselves at the back, still miss sitters and so on. But we don't have gaping holes between midfield and the poor bugger stuck up top on his own, and we do at least get more ball time in the opposition half.
Evo1883
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Would you agree it's very reasonable to suggest that with both our main strikers fit this season we'd have more points , I think it's a fair assumption
KenilworthSkyBlue
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I think that's more than a fair assumption. It's a given.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I would agree, though we have been our own worst enemies defensively.
Evo1883
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And this must be frustrating , knowing that you've set up correctly as a manager and your team had made something ridiculous like 20 individual errors and hit the woodwork nearly 20 times ..
Don't get me wrong he's got things wrong , but you can't really stop the things your players do during those 90 minutes
Brighton Sky Blue
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I largely agree but there is a caveat to bring up when mentioning Ostigard's headers off the line-it's our only set piece strategy so it's not tough to just stick defenders at the back peg to clear.
Sick Boy
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Haha, yeah sure!
Frostie
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shmmeee
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Joint best with Rotherham for goals from indirect free kicks though. Which is an interesting contrast.
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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Max was ahead of JCH in the pecking order explains a lot really
SkyBlueDom26
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Kept max yet let JCH go
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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One good thing about this is that it shows we dont rely on penalties like some teams, I like to annoy my mate who is a United fan calling Bruno and Manchester United pen merchants but moving on, if you think about it we have shown we can score goals that are not handed to us on a plate (well other than Max as much as I like him)
Grendel
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I suspect selfies were never a JCH thing
Hobo
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JCH 44 ap 8 gls
Max 90 ap 13 gls
Pretty even apart from a lot of Max's appearances have been in Championship this season.
Both are below standard. Dont embarrass youself anymore with the Max hate and the JCH love. Both are your illogical extremes.
Grendel
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Hobo
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Neither were with usYeah guess Max is being touted for £5 million
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PUSB-We_are_going_up
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I dont know just trying to get something good from a bad situation
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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Then that must be the reason surely although he used to smile alot as well