Ian1779
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But it isn’t... what is unachievable is the current government having any real desire to make the lives of the people it governs better.
Anything can be done if the will is there to do it.
I merely stated it seems unachievable or impossible... That's it. Thanks for the feedback.
So I've just took the time out to listen to his speech at corby.. So what he says sound all very nice, but here's the problem.
How will he pay for it all
1.No tuition fees
2.community youth projects
3.nationalise rail, mail etc
4.completely turn around the NHS
5.national minimum wage of 10 pound
Let's be logicical here, this seems absolutely impossible to achieve, there was actually more but he offered so much it just seems like a front to simply get elected.
It doesn't seem achievable at all, and I can't be the only one thinking it
Is deluded - with Diane Abbott as his crack finance strategist
Forget about Boris and the tories, I'm asking about how Labour will fund the fantastic changes they want me to vote for.
How will he attract the business by raising corporate tax and taxing multinational companies to the hilt to fund his 10 pound minimum wage... For example
He is a deluded fantasist. The thought of him, Abbott and McDonnell in charge is scary.
He is a deluded fantasist. The thought of him, Abbott and McDonnell in charge is scary.
Don’t forget PatelNot nearly as scary as Javid, Gove and Johnson.
as opposed to Priti Patel who lost her last cabinet position because she was colluding with a foreign state behind the them PMs back, Dominic Raab who didn't know Dover was an important port for goods flowing in and out of the country or Gavin Williamson who was fortunate not to get done for treason and was therefore shoe horned in to the cabinet in the only position that doesn't require security clearance!
Forget about them?!?!
They’re the government!!
On the face of it it may be undeliverable, but as he's constantly stated he'd scrap Trident and HS2 which would put a lot of earmarked funding back into the pot for schemes like this. I don't think there's enough there to turn around the NHS but enough to make a difference.
As has been stated the minimum wage costs nothing - it's paid by the companies employing people. Now those companies may state it'll lead to job cuts and increased prices but what they mean is "we're greedy and don't want to cut into our vast profits which we give out to shareholders for doing fuck all but owning a bit of paper" They state it's unaffordable but then give much larger wage increases and bonuses to their CEO's and executives.
Rail will just let franchises expire - it's not like since they've come in we've seen massive improvements in the service and fares dropping is it? If private companies are interested in running them there must be money to be made.
Tuition fees didn't exist until 20 years ago (brought in by Labour, increased by coalition) and all it's done is lead to an expansion in the sector of unnecessary courses and graduates with huge debts and poor job prospects. In my nan's era just finishing school would be seen as guaranteeing you a decent job, by my mum's it was A levels. Mine a degree should set you up for life. Now it seems like an Masters or Doctorate is the minimum requirement for a decent position in a large company. I've seen jobs that when I left school required 5 GCSE's now want a 2:1 degree minimum. Getting rid of tuition fees would streamline the sector so it once again became a worthwhile achievement with good job prospects, in which case the argument of their tuition being paid back via the tax on their improved earnings comes back into play.
Listen if you read back I asked a question based solely on Jeremy corbyn and the Labour Party policies... I have no idea why people keep switching the subject, I just wanted an answer on LABOUR
That’s rather myopic when both major parties (and both leaders) are making increasingly desperate pledges they have no intention of keeping.
So to answer your question are Corbyn’s pledges achievable? My answer is yes as achievable as Johnson’s.
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It's hardly myopic, if I'm somebody sitting on the fence, somebody who never voted Labour last time, wondering or even asking Wether Labour policies are even achievable.....its a straightforward question that I just wanted an answer too.
If I wanted to know about tory policies I would have asked but I never
Yes they are. And even if they only manage to implement a fraction of them - your life will be better than under this or any Tory government.
Dont know mate, under the last Labour government I was sent to war which resulted in PTSD which affects my life daily, excuse the caution
Corbyn voted against Iraq, Johnson voted for it.Dont know mate, under the last Labour government I was sent to war which resulted in PTSD which affects my life daily, excuse the caution
The leadership of the current Labour party was opposed to that needless war, just like they've been opposed to many of the pointless military exercises that cost billions of pounds and further fans the flames of extremism.Dont know mate, under the last Labour government I was sent to war which resulted in PTSD which affects my life daily, excuse the caution
You'll also know that only three Conservative MPs voted against Iraq, as opposed to 85 Labour MPs (I've included the tellers to make it look better for the Tories). Had the 146 Conservative MPs voted against Iraq instead of for it, it would never have happened.I know he did
Yeah you have to look at in context. In isolation, would I want Corbyn? Probably not. Compared to Alexander and his bunch of charlatans? Absolutely.That’s rather myopic when both major parties (and both leaders) are making increasingly desperate pledges they have no intention of keeping.
So to answer your question are Corbyn’s pledges achievable? My answer is yes as achievable as Johnson’s.
Listen if you read back I asked a question based solely on Jeremy corbyn and the Labour Party policies... I have no idea why people keep switching the subject, I just wanted an answer on LABOUR
Then the Lib Dems are for you.I would regard myself, and consistently fall into the category of a centrist
Then the Lib Dems are for you.
Then if that's the case you're not on the fence, and this thread is rather a waste of time.Brexit is the problem, for many voters right now.. Not just me.
I can't vote either lib dem or Labour currently becuase of that (don't want to argue)
Then if that's the case you're not on the fence, and this thread is rather a waste of time.
I'm saying if you're that wedded to leaving, regardless of other consequences, your choice is Conservative, Brexit, or UKIP. tbf it's also Labour in terms of there is a pledge for a referendum on any deal. That doesn't stop leaving, of course, should the result of that end up in favour.I suppose you are right, so for the sake of leaving the European Union, youre telling me my only option is Conservative, irrespective of their social policies
Then the Lib Dems are for you.
I'd wager come a manifesto, they'll have the most centrist policies.A party even more politically vacant than Labour 2010-15
And that takes some beating.
Listen if you read back I asked a question based solely on Jeremy corbyn and the Labour Party policies... I have no idea why people keep switching the subject, I just wanted an answer on LABOUR
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