Ian1779
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But it isn’t... what is unachievable is the current government having any real desire to make the lives of the people it governs better.
Anything can be done if the will is there to do it.
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But it isn’t... what is unachievable is the current government having any real desire to make the lives of the people it governs better.
Anything can be done if the will is there to do it.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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On the face of it it may be undeliverable, but as he's constantly stated he'd scrap Trident and HS2 which would put a lot of earmarked funding back into the pot for schemes like this. I don't think there's enough there to turn around the NHS but enough to make a difference.
As has been stated the minimum wage costs nothing - it's paid by the companies employing people. Now those companies may state it'll lead to job cuts and increased prices but what they mean is "we're greedy and don't want to cut into our vast profits which we give out to shareholders for doing fuck all but owning a bit of paper" They state it's unaffordable but then give much larger wage increases and bonuses to their CEO's and executives.
Rail will just let franchises expire - it's not like since they've come in we've seen massive improvements in the service and fares dropping is it? If private companies are interested in running them there must be money to be made.
Tuition fees didn't exist until 20 years ago (brought in by Labour, increased by coalition) and all it's done is lead to an expansion in the sector of unnecessary courses and graduates with huge debts and poor job prospects. In my nan's era just finishing school would be seen as guaranteeing you a decent job, by my mum's it was A levels. Mine a degree should set you up for life. Now it seems like an Masters or Doctorate is the minimum requirement for a decent position in a large company. I've seen jobs that when I left school required 5 GCSE's now want a 2:1 degree minimum. Getting rid of tuition fees would streamline the sector so it once again became a worthwhile achievement with good job prospects, in which case the argument of their tuition being paid back via the tax on their improved earnings comes back into play.
CJ_covblaze
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He is a deluded fantasist. The thought of him, Abbott and McDonnell in charge is scary.
lifeskyblue
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Now that Theresa’s magic money tree has been found Mr Corbyn like Mr Johnson has seen ‘£’ signs light up.
And as both see a general election looming , they like all party leaders are making promises they know they won’t keep.
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And as both see a general election looming , they like all party leaders are making promises they know they won’t keep.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Is that the 'street' way of referring to a drug dealer now?
Sick Boy
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clint van damme
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as opposed to Priti Patel who lost her last cabinet position because she was colluding with a foreign state behind the them PMs back, Dominic Raab who didn't know Dover was an important port for goods flowing in and out of the country or Gavin Williamson who was fortunate not to get done for treason and was therefore shoe horned in to the cabinet in the only position that doesn't require security clearance!
Ian1779
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Not nearly as scary as Javid, Gove and Johnson.
Sick Boy
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Don’t forget Patel
It’s quite incredible that the likes of Hammond can be billions out with their figures live on air and it’s not an issue.
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We were able to pay for tuition fees before 1998. Of course a better skilled workforce equates to a more competitive economy, meaning more income when set against other nations, in terms of more exports to help the balance of payments as we'll be more competitive and innovatove, and more tax paid on both profits and wages.
We were able to have a national rail service before. In fact, that rail service used profits from popular routes such as Birmingham to Euston to subsidise other routes, rather than the government see profits now taken by private companies, whilst government has to subsidise the less popular routes anyway.
We were able to have a national post office before. Indeed, the system generated a profit for the government.
The promised jobs apocalypse when the minimum wage was introduced never happened.
Community youth projects are surely not something to be ridiculed. This very board bemoans the extent of knife crime. Coming up with schemes to make younger people feel part of society, increase their worth to society, and stop them being such a drain on resources is surely something everybody here would encourage.
The NHS? Well, maybe it's not possible to completely turn it around during one parliament. But I'd have more faith in a Labour government starting the process than the privatisation by stealth that Alexander and his cronies will go for.
Still, it could be worse. We could be spunking a fortune on preparing for commercial suicide come October 31st. Invest in the future or destroy the now? I'll invest in the future thanks very much. Give me a choice of lifting people up or dragging them down in some bizarre ideological crusade of nagativity? I'll go for the constructive policies ta. I live in a naive hope that one day we'll realise tax rises to invest actually can end up with lower taxes down the line. They never do, of course, because the world is promised in lies by the Tory party, who promptly slash budgets and slash taxes in order to give money back to... themselves.
Still, when Eton boy has finished playing soldiers with his cabinet, and we're all a bloody mess, we can still wallow in our hate and negativity, pull one another down and blame... the leader of the opposition, for having the temerity to try and offer a way forwards that isn't based on destructiveness.
The country plunges towards oblivion under a man-child toff, and it seems people want us to continue to be ground down to disaster.
We were able to have a national rail service before. In fact, that rail service used profits from popular routes such as Birmingham to Euston to subsidise other routes, rather than the government see profits now taken by private companies, whilst government has to subsidise the less popular routes anyway.
We were able to have a national post office before. Indeed, the system generated a profit for the government.
The promised jobs apocalypse when the minimum wage was introduced never happened.
Community youth projects are surely not something to be ridiculed. This very board bemoans the extent of knife crime. Coming up with schemes to make younger people feel part of society, increase their worth to society, and stop them being such a drain on resources is surely something everybody here would encourage.
The NHS? Well, maybe it's not possible to completely turn it around during one parliament. But I'd have more faith in a Labour government starting the process than the privatisation by stealth that Alexander and his cronies will go for.
Still, it could be worse. We could be spunking a fortune on preparing for commercial suicide come October 31st. Invest in the future or destroy the now? I'll invest in the future thanks very much. Give me a choice of lifting people up or dragging them down in some bizarre ideological crusade of nagativity? I'll go for the constructive policies ta. I live in a naive hope that one day we'll realise tax rises to invest actually can end up with lower taxes down the line. They never do, of course, because the world is promised in lies by the Tory party, who promptly slash budgets and slash taxes in order to give money back to... themselves.
Still, when Eton boy has finished playing soldiers with his cabinet, and we're all a bloody mess, we can still wallow in our hate and negativity, pull one another down and blame... the leader of the opposition, for having the temerity to try and offer a way forwards that isn't based on destructiveness.
The country plunges towards oblivion under a man-child toff, and it seems people want us to continue to be ground down to disaster.
Ian1779
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Don’t forget Karen Bradley the NI Secretary who failed to have even a rudimentary grasp of NI and it’s politics or history.
Evo1883
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Listen if you read back I asked a question based solely on Jeremy corbyn and the Labour Party policies... I have no idea why people keep switching the subject, I just wanted an answer on LABOUR
Evo1883
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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I suppose it's up to Labour to write a compelling spending plan into their manifesto (whether you believe it, or any other manifesto is obviously up to you!). I would expect HS2 and Trident to be axed, generating some headroom in the budget and that borrowing would also increase substantially.
lifeskyblue
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That’s rather myopic when both major parties (and both leaders) are making increasingly desperate pledges they have no intention of keeping.
So to answer your question are Corbyn’s pledges achievable? My answer is yes as achievable as Johnson’s.
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Evo1883
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It's hardly myopic, if I'm somebody sitting on the fence, somebody who never voted Labour last time, wondering or even asking Wether Labour policies are even achievable.....its a straightforward question that I just wanted an answer too.
If I wanted to know about tory policies I would have asked but I never
Ian1779
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Yes they are. And even if they only manage to implement a fraction of them - your life will be better than under this or any Tory government.
Evo1883
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Dont know mate, under the last Labour government I was sent to war which resulted in PTSD which affects my life daily, excuse the caution
Ian1779
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I totally understand your caution. But this isn’t that Labour Party.
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Corbyn voted against Iraq, Johnson voted for it.
Liquid Gold
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The leadership of the current Labour party was opposed to that needless war, just like they've been opposed to many of the pointless military exercises that cost billions of pounds and further fans the flames of extremism.
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You'll also know that only three Conservative MPs voted against Iraq, as opposed to 85 Labour MPs (I've included the tellers to make it look better for the Tories). Had the 146 Conservative MPs voted against Iraq instead of for it, it would never have happened.
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Yeah you have to look at in context. In isolation, would I want Corbyn? Probably not. Compared to Alexander and his bunch of charlatans? Absolutely.
Sick Boy
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I’d concentrate more on the current government and their outlandish spending promises, as they’re the ones actually in power and who deserve more scrutiny.
The coward de Pfeffel Johnson has taken to setting up Facebook Live videos to avoid any proper journalistic scrutiny.
Evo1883
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I actually agree with policies from both party's and disagree with some too..
I'm firmly on the fence, as I always knew I would be anyway.
I suppose the more important things in life that effect me personally, Labour have policies that represent me personally more so than the conservatives
I would regard myself, and consistently fall into the category of a centrist
Problem I have with labour (and I don't want to argue about this) is I voted to leave the European Union and am not happy with corbyns current stance
I'm firmly on the fence, as I always knew I would be anyway.
I suppose the more important things in life that effect me personally, Labour have policies that represent me personally more so than the conservatives
I would regard myself, and consistently fall into the category of a centrist
Problem I have with labour (and I don't want to argue about this) is I voted to leave the European Union and am not happy with corbyns current stance
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Then the Lib Dems are for you.
Evo1883
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Brexit is the problem, for many voters right now.. Not just me.
I can't vote either lib dem or Labour currently becuase of that (don't want to argue)
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Then if that's the case you're not on the fence, and this thread is rather a waste of time.
Evo1883
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I suppose you are right, so for the sake of leaving the European Union, youre telling me my only option is Conservative, irrespective of their social policies.
Now you see the position Alot of leave Labour voters are in, or voters in general .. Its difficult
My original question was genuine though, I said the policies sound good but unachievable.. Maybe one day we will find out
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I'm saying if you're that wedded to leaving, regardless of other consequences, your choice is Conservative, Brexit, or UKIP. tbf it's also Labour in terms of there is a pledge for a referendum on any deal. That doesn't stop leaving, of course, should the result of that end up in favour.
But I'd say it'd be pretty crazy to be wedded to one policy even if you decided that would be worse for you.
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Ian1779
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A party even more politically vacant than Labour 2010-15
And that takes some beating.
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I'd wager come a manifesto, they'll have the most centrist policies.
So for someone who calls themselves a centrist, they're the natural home.
clint van damme
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It's just really strange on this forum, (in general, not aimed at you), how the opposition come under so much scrutiny yet the sitting government don't.
Johnson promised the moon in his first speech, no mentioned of where the money is coming from, no scrutiny at all, I find it bizarre.