CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
Where have I said the Conservatives should be in government?
as opposed to Priti Patel who lost her last cabinet position because she was colluding with a foreign state behind the them PMs back, Dominic Raab who didn't know Dover was an important port for goods flowing in and out of the country or Gavin Williamson who was fortunate not to get done for treason and was therefore shoe horned in to the cabinet in the only position that doesn't require security clearance!
No but of course this was another dumbing down strategy of the socialists
Having realised the failure of stats communist education (aka the comprehensive system) education has systematically been dumbed down and standard eroded. University is a pointless exercise in boredom, drudgery and non education
I doubt Mr Corbyn will be suggesting a return to a real degree based system and a real A level system which requires more than being able to remember your name to attain a place.
Where have I said the Conservatives should be in government?
I asked a question, do you think the 3 Labour politicians you named are less competent than the 3 Tories I named, I never said anything about you saying the Tories should be in government.
Forget about Boris and the tories, I'm asking about how Labour will fund the fantastic changes they want me to vote for.
How will he attract the business by raising corporate tax and taxing multinational companies to the hilt to fund his 10 pound minimum wage... For example
No but of course this was another dumbing down strategy of the socialists
Having realised the failure of stats communist education (aka the comprehensive system) education has systematically been dumbed down and standard eroded. University is a pointless exercise in boredom, drudgery and non education
I doubt Mr Corbyn will be suggesting a return to a real degree based system and a real A level system which requires more than being able to remember your name to attain a place.
Yes they are.
none of the 3 Labour MPs have held cabinet positions so it's all conjecture but there is absolutely no way they'd be allowed a way back in to cabinet if they'd done what Patel and Williamson did, I'd be surprised if they got a way without prosecution if they emulated Williamson yet if you're a tory you seem the be able to get away with anything in this country.
I like Corbyn. Don’t always agree with him, but at least he is honest (I believe that is now termed naive)
none of the 3 Labour MPs have held cabinet positions so it's all conjecture but there is absolutely no way they'd be allowed a way back in to cabinet if they'd done what Patel and Williamson did, I'd be surprised if they got a way without prosecution if they emulated Williamson yet if you're a tory you seem the be able to get away with anything in this country.
Come off it Robinson and Mandleson were for ever making returns. Also Blair was never really in charge. Alistair Campbell was given absurd powers considering he was just a hack from the Mirror and pretty much oversaw everything in the cabinet
His bullying led to the death of David Kelly in all probability and he has never shown a shred of remorse
I agree with every word, but new labour was just another incarnation of the tories, hence Thatchers comment about new labour being her greatest achievement.
So which was the last labour government akin to the offerings of Mr Corbyn?
There hasn't been one in my life time though they've all been closer to Corbyn than Blair.
His war mongering, favours for the Saudis and light touch banking regulation were a lot closer to tory ideology.
The Callaghan government?
I don't know much about him as I was just a kid but I know he was fairly conservative as far as the economy was concerned I don't know much about his foreign policy which is, lets be honest, the area where Blair really screwed up and where he tarnished his reputation.
90% income tax for high earners and Anthony Wedgewood Benn - the man Mr Corbyn modelled himself on in the cabinet - that’s conservatism?
wasn't aware of that, first PM I was really aware of was Thatcher.
I though Callaghan introduced a program of austerity in return for an IMF bail out or am I confusing him with someone else?
Callaghan was in grip of the unions - it’s the kind of hell Corbyn would unleash with 20% plus interest rates, power cuts, the dead unburied and the bins not emptied. The unions controlled the government and a wage constraint was unleashed and hell opened up
absolutely no chance the unions would ever wield that amount of power again.
Callaghan was in grip of the unions - it’s the kind of hell Corbyn would unleash with 20% plus interest rates, power cuts, the dead unburied and the bins not emptied. The unions controlled the government and a wage constraint was unleashed and hell opened up
Not sure where that is in the manifesto
Really? So the bank bench MP who voted against every single act of parliament that bought closer European integration is now honest?
It’s a consequence of socialism
No but Mclusky is very comfortable in his flat for life - him and Mcdonagh are thick as thievesabsolutely no chance the unions would ever wield that amount of power again.
That’s what they said then
That’s what they said then
Have you always voted Labour regardless?There hasn't been one in my life time though they've all been closer to Corbyn than Blair.
His war mongering, favours for the Saudis and light touch banking regulation were a lot closer to tory ideology.
Have you always voted Labour regardless?
Obviously quite a personal question so don’t answer if you don’t wish but there does seem to be a trend of people voting for one particular party just because ‘that’s what their parents did’ or similar reasons.
I grew up in a house where my Mum was staunch Labour and my Dad was more leaning to Conservative so didn’t have that family bias but my Missus’ family has always been Labour, Labour, Labour as that is what you did if you were growing up in Cov in the 60’s and 70’s.
FWIW I’ve voted for both over the years.
Appreciate your honesty.I didn't vote for Labour in Blairs last term and I didn't vote for them in 2010 under Brown.
I've never voted tory. I honestly think this current tory party is a toxic mix of incompetence and greed and I find it quite sinister.
Does that mean I think Labour are definitely the answer, no, but after the last few years I think we should give them a try, they have some policies I can get behind and they couldn't do any worse. The level of incompetence shown by Fox, Raab, Johnson, May, Rudd etc has been astonishing and I can't believe they get away with it.
If a Labour politician came out with some of the stuff that some of the senior tories have came out with we'd never hear the end of it but it's just brushed under the carpet.
Raabs comments about Dover, IDS thinking we can sign individual trade deals with EU countries, Hammond getting his HS2 figures wrong by 20 billion, (imagine if Dianne Abbot had said that), the list is endless.
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