Jeremy corbyn (1 Viewer)

[CJ_covblaze]

as opposed to Priti Patel who lost her last cabinet position because she was colluding with a foreign state behind the them PMs back, Dominic Raab who didn't know Dover was an important port for goods flowing in and out of the country or Gavin Williamson who was fortunate not to get done for treason and was therefore shoe horned in to the cabinet in the only position that doesn't require security clearance!

Where have I said the Conservatives should be in government?

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No but of course this was another dumbing down strategy of the socialists

Having realised the failure of stats communist education (aka the comprehensive system) education has systematically been dumbed down and standard eroded. University is a pointless exercise in boredom, drudgery and non education

I doubt Mr Corbyn will be suggesting a return to a real degree based system and a real A level system which requires more than being able to remember your name to attain a place.

As some with a comprehensive education it's actually been very beneficial in social terms in making me a more rounded human being. It gave me experiences I'd have never had in a grammar school, which I'd have gone to before.

Do you think that children should pretty much have their future decided for them on an exam they take when they're 11? That's what used to happen and those that went to grammar school were given a sense of superiority over those who didn't as that's how it was perceived. Instead I got to meet and become friends with people I'd have never done so at a grammar school and learnt to appreciate their strengths and abilities.

Do the likes of Alexander, Cameron, Osbourne, JRM etc come across as well-rounded individuals? Or as closed-minded with a sense that they know better than everyone else because of their upbringing? Even the likes of Corbyn and Blair have that sense of "I know best" from a privileged education and upbringing.

Having said that, I'm not totally against the likes of grammar schools in as much as that they do allow youngsters to make the most of their abilities, which is the main problem with comprehensives. But to have them it has to be made clear it's not a two-tier education but that they are on an equal stand to thinks like technical colleges etc. It's a matter of making the most of people's different abilities, all of which are vital to society. I can't see the likes of Alexander or JRM being able to build their homes and install electricity, gas and hot water and frankly I think the country would fall apart much more quickly without those than them putting forward policy ideas in Latin.

 

[clint van damme]

Where have I said the Conservatives should be in government?

I asked a question, do you think the 3 Labour politicians you named are less competent than the 3 Tories I named, I never said anything about you saying the Tories should be in government.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

I asked a question, do you think the 3 Labour politicians you named are less competent than the 3 Tories I named, I never said anything about you saying the Tories should be in government.

Yes they are.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Forget about Boris and the tories, I'm asking about how Labour will fund the fantastic changes they want me to vote for.

How will he attract the business by raising corporate tax and taxing multinational companies to the hilt to fund his 10 pound minimum wage... For example

Think of it this way. You can either try to make policies you like work, or continue to vote for death by a thousand cuts.

Do you question how:

1. Above inflation increases in military expenditure are funded

2. Tax cuts are funded

3. After 9 years of cutting everything the deficit is still in the tens of billions

4. In one of the richest and greatest countries in the world we can't find a way to make any popular idea work

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No but of course this was another dumbing down strategy of the socialists

Having realised the failure of stats communist education (aka the comprehensive system) education has systematically been dumbed down and standard eroded. University is a pointless exercise in boredom, drudgery and non education

I doubt Mr Corbyn will be suggesting a return to a real degree based system and a real A level system which requires more than being able to remember your name to attain a place.

Would be nice to see you go through my piss easy degree with flying colours G. Actually go back and read through the crap you write on here, one wonders whether you actually believe it

 

[clint van damme]

Yes they are.

none of the 3 Labour MPs have held cabinet positions so it's all conjecture but there is absolutely no way they'd be allowed a way back in to cabinet if they'd done what Patel and Williamson did, I'd be surprised if they got a way without prosecution if they emulated Williamson yet if you're a tory you seem the be able to get away with anything in this country.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

none of the 3 Labour MPs have held cabinet positions so it's all conjecture but there is absolutely no way they'd be allowed a way back in to cabinet if they'd done what Patel and Williamson did, I'd be surprised if they got a way without prosecution if they emulated Williamson yet if you're a tory you seem the be able to get away with anything in this country.

 

[Monners]

I like Corbyn. Don’t always agree with him, but at least he is honest (I believe that is now termed naive)

 

[Grendel]

I like Corbyn. Don’t always agree with him, but at least he is honest (I believe that is now termed naive)

Really? So the bank bench MP who voted against every single act of parliament that bought closer European integration is now honest?

 

[clint van damme]

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like I say, when you're a tory you can get away with anything!

 

[Grendel]

none of the 3 Labour MPs have held cabinet positions so it's all conjecture but there is absolutely no way they'd be allowed a way back in to cabinet if they'd done what Patel and Williamson did, I'd be surprised if they got a way without prosecution if they emulated Williamson yet if you're a tory you seem the be able to get away with anything in this country.

Come off it Robinson and Mandleson were for ever making returns. Also Blair was never really in charge. Alistair Campbell was given absurd powers considering he was just a hack from the Mirror and pretty much oversaw everything in the cabinet

His bullying led to the death of David Kelly in all probability and he has never shown a shred of remorse

 

[clint van damme]

Come off it Robinson and Mandleson were for ever making returns. Also Blair was never really in charge. Alistair Campbell was given absurd powers considering he was just a hack from the Mirror and pretty much oversaw everything in the cabinet

His bullying led to the death of David Kelly in all probability and he has never shown a shred of remorse

I agree with every word, but new labour was just another incarnation of the tories, hence Thatchers comment about new labour being her greatest achievement.

 

[Grendel]

I agree with every word, but new labour was just another incarnation of the tories, hence Thatchers comment about new labour being her greatest achievement.

So which was the last labour government akin to the offerings of Mr Corbyn?

 

[clint van damme]

So which was the last labour government akin to the offerings of Mr Corbyn?

There hasn't been one in my life time though they've all been closer to Corbyn than Blair.
His war mongering, favours for the Saudis and light touch banking regulation were a lot closer to tory ideology.

 

[Grendel]

There hasn't been one in my life time though they've all been closer to Corbyn than Blair.
His war mongering, favours for the Saudis and light touch banking regulation were a lot closer to tory ideology.

The Callaghan government?

 

[clint van damme]

The Callaghan government?

I don't know much about him as I was just a kid but I know he was fairly conservative as far as the economy was concerned I don't know much about his foreign policy which is, lets be honest, the area where Blair really screwed up and where he tarnished his reputation.

 

[Grendel]

I don't know much about him as I was just a kid but I know he was fairly conservative as far as the economy was concerned I don't know much about his foreign policy which is, lets be honest, the area where Blair really screwed up and where he tarnished his reputation.

90% income tax for high earners and Anthony Wedgewood Benn - the man Mr Corbyn modelled himself on in the cabinet - that’s conservatism?

 

[clint van damme]

90% income tax for high earners and Anthony Wedgewood Benn - the man Mr Corbyn modelled himself on in the cabinet - that’s conservatism?

wasn't aware of that, first PM I was really aware of was Thatcher.

I though Callaghan introduced a program of austerity in return for an IMF bail out or am I confusing him with someone else?

 

[Grendel]

wasn't aware of that, first PM I was really aware of was Thatcher.

I though Callaghan introduced a program of austerity in return for an IMF bail out or am I confusing him with someone else?

Callaghan was in grip of the unions - it’s the kind of hell Corbyn would unleash with 20% plus interest rates, power cuts, the dead unburied and the bins not emptied. The unions controlled the government and a wage constraint was unleashed and hell opened up

 

[clint van damme]

Callaghan was in grip of the unions - it’s the kind of hell Corbyn would unleash with 20% plus interest rates, power cuts, the dead unburied and the bins not emptied. The unions controlled the government and a wage constraint was unleashed and hell opened up

absolutely no chance the unions would ever wield that amount of power again.

 

[Ian1779]

Callaghan was in grip of the unions - it’s the kind of hell Corbyn would unleash with 20% plus interest rates, power cuts, the dead unburied and the bins not emptied. The unions controlled the government and a wage constraint was unleashed and hell opened up

 

[clint van damme]

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that is a great episode!

 

[Grendel]

absolutely no chance the unions would ever wield that amount of power again.

That’s what they said then

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

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Thatcher’s love child

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Callaghan was in grip of the unions - it’s the kind of hell Corbyn would unleash with 20% plus interest rates, power cuts, the dead unburied and the bins not emptied. The unions controlled the government and a wage constraint was unleashed and hell opened up

Not sure where that is in the manifesto

 

[Grendel]

Not sure where that is in the manifesto

It’s a consequence of socialism

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Really? So the bank bench MP who voted against every single act of parliament that bought closer European integration is now honest?

Just be honest nothing he does will change your mind

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s a consequence of socialism

Perhaps. But I only see social democracy in his current policy positions.

Look to the US for where unencumbered free marketing leads

 

[Mcbean]

absolutely no chance the unions would ever wield that amount of power again.

No but Mclusky is very comfortable in his flat for life - him and Mcdonagh are thick as thieves

 

[Ian1779]

That’s what they said then

You’re like the lady I work with who won’t vote for Corbyn because she’s ‘heard’ that he’s gonna steal her allotment to fix the homelessness crisis.

 

[clint van damme]

That’s what they said then

to be honest I'm far more concerned by the disproportionate amount of influence carried by a small band of right wingers and the total reluctance by the British press to scrutinise anything they do.

 

[LastGarrison]

There hasn't been one in my life time though they've all been closer to Corbyn than Blair.
His war mongering, favours for the Saudis and light touch banking regulation were a lot closer to tory ideology.

Have you always voted Labour regardless?

Obviously quite a personal question so don’t answer if you don’t wish but there does seem to be a trend of people voting for one particular party just because ‘that’s what their parents did’ or similar reasons.

I grew up in a house where my Mum was staunch Labour and my Dad was more leaning to Conservative so didn’t have that family bias but my Missus’ family has always been Labour, Labour, Labour as that is what you did if you were growing up in Cov in the 60’s and 70’s.

FWIW I’ve voted for both over the years.

 

[clint van damme]

Have you always voted Labour regardless?

Obviously quite a personal question so don’t answer if you don’t wish but there does seem to be a trend of people voting for one particular party just because ‘that’s what their parents did’ or similar reasons.

I grew up in a house where my Mum was staunch Labour and my Dad was more leaning to Conservative so didn’t have that family bias but my Missus’ family has always been Labour, Labour, Labour as that is what you did if you were growing up in Cov in the 60’s and 70’s.

FWIW I’ve voted for both over the years.

I didn't vote for Labour in Blairs last term and I didn't vote for them in 2010 under Brown.
I've never voted tory. I honestly think this current tory party is a toxic mix of incompetence and greed and I find it quite sinister.
Does that mean I think Labour are definitely the answer, no, but after the last few years I think we should give them a try, they have some policies I can get behind and they couldn't do any worse. The level of incompetence shown by Fox, Raab, Johnson, May, Rudd etc has been astonishing and I can't believe they get away with it.

If a Labour politician came out with some of the stuff that some of the senior tories have came out with we'd never hear the end of it but it's just brushed under the carpet.

Raabs comments about Dover, IDS thinking we can sign individual trade deals with EU countries, Hammond getting his HS2 figures wrong by 20 billion, (imagine if Dianne Abbot had said that), the list is endless.

 

[LastGarrison]

I didn't vote for Labour in Blairs last term and I didn't vote for them in 2010 under Brown.
I've never voted tory. I honestly think this current tory party is a toxic mix of incompetence and greed and I find it quite sinister.
Does that mean I think Labour are definitely the answer, no, but after the last few years I think we should give them a try, they have some policies I can get behind and they couldn't do any worse. The level of incompetence shown by Fox, Raab, Johnson, May, Rudd etc has been astonishing and I can't believe they get away with it.

If a Labour politician came out with some of the stuff that some of the senior tories have came out with we'd never hear the end of it but it's just brushed under the carpet.

Raabs comments about Dover, IDS thinking we can sign individual trade deals with EU countries, Hammond getting his HS2 figures wrong by 20 billion, (imagine if Dianne Abbot had said that), the list is endless.

Appreciate your honesty.

Genuinely always intrigued by people who vote for one party ‘just because’.