Short answer to you question posed in the middle there - I was calling for AT to be given at least five years in charge, including whether he took us into League 2 or not. I expect we'd have been doing well this season. From my reading of your post, you think that without Bailey and Moussa we'd be struggling? For the record, I don't think so.
We'd be struggling because the team would be dejected and demotivated with terrible tactics and lazy approaches to the game.
I actually find it quite insulting to mark robins that you fail to credit the massive amount of work he has done to turn round the wreckage left by a clueless buffoon whose only interest was his pay check.
Bit of a disgrace CJ really.
Do you think thorn is better than Eric black?
Don't get me wrong, MR has done well. But you have to give AT his share of credit too. We wouldn't be doing as well as were are without him. You have no choice but to accept this.
Get off your high horse, and stop insulting a man who was a great servant to our club. Your pathetic attitude is disgusting.
You would've kept him if we'd got relegated to League 2-why?
Don't get me wrong, MR has done well. But you have to give AT his share of credit too. We wouldn't be doing as well as were are without him. You have no choice but to accept this.
Get off your high horse, and stop insulting a man who was a great servant to our club. Your pathetic attitude is disgusting.
Credit for what!? He brought in some good players, but who's to say MR hadn't have brought in some of the same, or better players.
On most appearances, only 2 Thorn signings start for MR, Jenno and Edj, and Edj didn't start under AT!
I think Fleck was AT's best signing.
30 points lost from winning positions last season. 2 wins by Christmas. Damning indictments and in the first games of this season 6 points were lost which are now the gap we have with the play offs.
Thorn introduced a mentality which Robins has excelled to turn round and I firmly believe that with the former still at the helm consecutive relegations was on the cards. I just cannot agree with you here.
Because we need stability. It's not good to get a different manager every year, as we have done for 10 years or more. Clubs are far too interested in the next game, this season etc...you have to take a much longer view, and let a manager be the central point in the club, even if results for the first few years are disappointing. I don't really care what result we get next week, it's where we are in 5 years that interests me. To achieve, we need a long term plan and stabiloty. I hope MR stays for 5 years, and would support him in that even if we do go down to L2 - that's not an AT-specific view.
Why are you so determined to try to prove that AT was awful?
We had such a weak squad we were always going to lose games - AT couldn't do anything about it. He had no support from the boardroom. Look to SISU for last season's failures, not AT.
Because he was...
I like how you ignore the questions asked here!
We had such a weak squad we were always going to lose games - AT couldn't do anything about it. He had no support from the boardroom. Look to SISU for last season's failures, not AT.
And yet we were only thumped on rare occasions. We set ourselves up to play appalling football and even then teams struggled to break us down-if we were pure cannon fodder we'd have been cut adrift irrespective of manager. Robins would not have got us relegated.
But we lost games we should've won! We lost to Brizzle 3-1, we should've won, we lost to Barnsley, we lost Donny, we lost to Millwall, we drew to Peterborough. We lost to Blackpool and Palace when victory was all but secured!? Unfitness cost us and if you believe otherwise, you are really naive and probably haven't seen the 2 managers' in charge!
You say we were expected to lose, but if that's the case, why did we drop so many points from winning positions, in the last 10m!?
Don't agree - this is why I mean about how AT kept our dignity last season and steadied the sinking ship. Without him, we might have been mullered every week. The fact we weren't cannon fodder was down to him.
Robins has never managed in the championship, never mind with a tiny half squad, so we don't know.
For the record, I back 100% MR and my comments on AT do not detract from my faith in him as our manager now.
I disagree - the blame was entirely SISU's, my interpretation is that we may not have done as well as we did without AT.
As for why he isn't working now, did you ever think that the likes of you and Dr Evil Grendel (yes, that makes you Mini-Me, SBT) doing everything you can to ruin his reputation might have anything to do with it?
So why is that AT's fault? We had such a small squad, we were always going to get tired and lose goals late on. SISU's fault.
I have not yet seen any detailed analysis of AT's tactics, just the odd moan about "he didn't bring on a sub early enough" - armchair managers, what do you know?
The cheek of it!
If anyone is 'Dr Evil' on this board, it is you, you have said, you want the club to be locked out of the RICOH and hope we go under, AND, have said if Thorn took us to L2, he should keep his job, all seriously creating instability to the club! Worst still, we have a team capable of winning the league yet you make like that :facepalm: you're a disgrace and I'm now completely convinced that you are not, cannot be a support of Coventry City, I refuse to acknowledge you as a CCFC fan.
...you're also a hypocrite for moaning about people insulting you then you call name call Grendel and I, what about BSB?
So why is that AT's fault? We had such a small squad, we were always going to get tired and lose goals late on. SISU's fault.
I have not yet seen any detailed analysis of AT's tactics, just the odd moan about "he didn't bring on a sub early enough" - armchair managers, what do you know?
CJ is a genuine fan-he just has some odd opinions.
Pitter patter between Keogh and Cranie then one of them hoofs to Platt or Nimely. We did it for 90 minutes at Bristol City in a must win game that left everyone there fuming.
Too odd to be a CCFC fan.
Did we not have to field injured players against Bristol?
Thorn does not encourage Hoofball
The cheek of it!
If anyone is 'Dr Evil' on this board, it is you, you have said, you want the club to be locked out of the RICOH and hope we go under, AND, have said if Thorn took us to L2, he should keep his job, all seriously creating instability to the club! Worst still, we have a team capable of winning the league yet you make like that :facepalm: you're a disgrace and I'm now completely convinced that you are not, cannot be a support of Coventry City, I refuse to acknowledge you as a CCFC fan.
...you're also a hypocrite for moaning about people insulting you then you call name call Grendel and I, what about BSB?
Any game you like, the same tactic was employed.
CJ seems to have quite a rational and reasonable opinion here.
He rates MR.
Yet he does not agree with the unnecessary rudeness and abuse thrown on here towards AT.
2 Seasons ago he did give us some joy and shining light from the misery.
He advised the board keep what we have got and let me add a couple and we will challenge.
They desimated what we had and allowed thorn to make three signings.
Cody, Murphy and z back up goalie.
When you take a mid table championship side remove all its best players and either don't replace them or inadequately replace them.
It is highly likely that mid table championship side will fall below mid table. (Relegation)
Then you say you messed up you back the manager
You let him sign 9 new players.
You then give him three matches, three draws.
Personally I would struggle and I think most professionals would admit it is unlikely that you can judge a manager over three games.
He may have achieved this season he may not.
Personally I think he would have got us in the top six.
I think MR from the start if the season would have got us in top two.
Thorn does not deserve the abuse he gets in here.
He was nothing but respectful to the fans.
He could spot one hell of a player.
This was the season to judge him as a manager. The first three games of the season were not enough for me to do that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16559506
CJ seems to have quite a rational and reasonable opinion here.
He rates MR.
Yet he does not agree with the unnecessary rudeness and abuse thrown on here towards AT.
2 Seasons ago he did give us some joy and shining light from the misery.
He advised the board keep what we have got and let me add a couple and we will challenge.
They desimated what we had and allowed thorn to make three signings.
Cody, Murphy and z back up goalie.
When you take a mid table championship side remove all its best players and either don't replace them or inadequately replace them.
It is highly likely that mid table championship side will fall below mid table. (Relegation)
Then you say you messed up you back the manager
You let him sign 9 new players.
You then give him three matches, three draws.
Personally I would struggle and I think most professionals would admit it is unlikely that you can judge a manager over three games.
He may have achieved this season he may not.
Personally I think he would have got us in the top six.
I think MR from the start if the season would have got us in top two.
Thorn does not deserve the abuse he gets in here.
He was nothing but respectful to the fans.
He could spot one hell of a player.
This was the season to judge him as a manager. The first three games of the season were not enough for me to do that.
What's your point?
You said pick any match , same tactics I picked that match I was there we did not play long ball.
From the point of having Norwood. We played everything on the ground through him.
Also we did not play long to Nimely.
Peterborough at home the lad was having balls played into him at chest height. Middlesbrough also had 10 and then 9 men on the pitch which helped our cause somewhat.
Thank you - at last, a sensible post on this thread which accurately captures my views rather than lazily disregards me as a WUM
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