On the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.
On the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.
Yeah that relationship really struck me as odd. Wasnt there a rumour he spent 5 days with her body with her after she died or something like that?People thought he was a weirdo but probably more as an a sexual oddball who lived with and was obsessed with his mum
I think that was part of the thrill with him, teasing it but knowing nobody could touch him.When you watch some of the clips back, it's as if he was almost mocking it as well.
Same with those Louis Theroux ones.
He knew how to play the game well enough that people looked past what now seems the obviousOn the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.
When you watch some of the clips back, it's as if he was almost mocking it as well.
Same with those Louis Theroux ones.
Got to agree with Grendull. Always thought that there was more to that relationship than normal and if they’re was going to be a scandal that explained things that would be it. Although in the end wasn’t all that surprised by what came out. Necraphillia aside.People thought he was a weirdo but probably more as an a sexual oddball who lived with and was obsessed with his mum
Yeah that relationship really struck me as odd. Wasnt there a rumour he spent 5 days with her body with her after she died or something like that?
I could be wrong (I could be right) but didn't John Lydon accuse him of something in the very early 80's that the BBC hushed up?
I never liked him and always found him odd. Never suspected him of anything dodgy though .On the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.
Can I just add, I never watched Jim'll Fix It or anything else he did. I just never liked him, but I don't recall anyone at school ever saying he was a wrong unI never liked him and always found him odd. Never suspected him of anything dodgy though .
He just seemed to be doing good things, but in an odd way
I could be wrong (I could be right) but didn't John Lydon accuse him of something in the very early 80's that the BBC hushed up?
He probably had a lot of information about a lot of other people involved.
On Sunday evening, Savile's great-niece told Sky News she believed some members of his family knew of what they called his "dark side" but that they turned a blind eye to it. Caroline Robinson, 49, said she was sexually abused twice by Savile: at a family gathering when she was 12, and again at an engagement party when she was 15.
"It was not as though I was on my own. There were members of the family there as well," she said. "Jimmy got it down to perfection, where he managed to do it … and nobody noticed.
"After it happened when I was 12, I spoke to my grandmother. I told her what Jimmy had done. Her reply was: 'It's only Jimmy, it doesn't matter, I'll sort it out'. I think certain members of the family who were closer to him knew what kind of man he was but they kept it secret."
There was an interesting Faking It episode on Jimmy Saville where the experts pull apart and analyse one of his interviews and the clues are definitely there.
He just turns all the serious questions and allegations to humour/jokes and the interviewer and audience instantly are distracted, it's uncomfortable watching
It’s staggering that as an organisation there is any trust left in the BBC.After he died a Newsnight investigation into his abuse was shelved and then the BBC ran tributes to him over Christmas, it took ITV (with one of the people contributing to Newsnight) to bring it all into the open properly nearly a year later. I'm not for the DEFUND THE BBC shouts but every head involved in that particularly really should have rolled
Not defending them for a single second, but it was a different time back then and surely anyone then involved in any capacity all those years ago, will be long gone from the BBC, be it retired, moved on, or 6 feet under (hopefully much deeper if there was any justice)It’s staggering that as an organisation there is any trust left in the BBC.
Yes, most definitely.Can I add, socially "weak" young men were also victims back then, especially if they were gay or on the margins - although not of Savile, AFAIK - as the Dennis Nilsen case demonstrates
I don’t disagree necessarily, but I’m not sure that the infrastructure that allowed that to go unchallenged is just changed by people not being there anymore. I hope I’m wrong, but some more transparency would help to clarify.Not defending them for a single second, but it was a different time back then and surely anyone then involved in any capacity all those years ago, will be long gone from the BBC, be it retired, moved on, or 6 feet under (hopefully much deeper if there was any justice)
The thing is with places like that, there will be family members and other loyalties with the old boys that will always be want to be kept quiet.
It clearly wasn't just Saville and Glitter at it, I'd bet there was tens / hundreds of them. That's why it will all be hushed away over and over.
Not just them either, he turned up to events with Thatcher, got given honours etc. Let's be honest, anybody (the entire UK population?) who thought him a bit odd was probably shocked at the sheer scale of it all when it came out. It's not normal, and hopefully never is(!)Its not that clear cut. The Guardian once heralded Saville as a saint. It was not easy to link events as it is now.
Edwina Currie appointed him to two hospital boards IIRC. He used to spend Xmas’s with the Thatchers. He had personal friendships with senior figures in the police, especially Yorkshire police. Thatcher campaigned for his knighthood despite advice from senior civil servants (has that happened again recently?). The list of people and institutions he manipulated is never ending.Not just them either, he turned up to events with Thatcher, got given honours etc. Let's be honest, anybody (the entire UK population?) who thought him a bit odd was probably shocked at the sheer scale of it all when it came out. It's not normal, and hopefully never is(!)
Edwina Currie appointed him to two hospital boards IIRC. He used to spend Xmas’s with the Thatchers. He had personal friendships with senior figures in the police, especially Yorkshire police. Thatcher campaigned for his knighthood despite advice from senior civil servants (has that happened again recently?). The list of people and institutions he manipulated is never ending.
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