Job Available - Club Journalist at Coventry City FC (2 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Would the posters rather the club spent more money on PR and journalism and less on the team?

 

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[Dimi_Konstantflapalot]

Is Kieran Crowley sacking it off then?

 

[Noggin]

Would the posters rather the club spent more money on PR and journalism and less on the team?

I'd prefer the club to spend more on PR and journalism which helps build fan base and allows more to be spent on the team.

There is so much false economics at this club, like the horrific experience of buying Gillingham tickets and tickets for the games after that, give people a horrible experience to save a few quid, lose alot more in future.

 

[Nick]

Would the posters rather the club spent more money on PR and journalism and less on the team?

They do need to do some decent PR, a decent PR person would cost a lot less than we are probably still paying Thorn

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'd prefer the club to spend more on PR and journalism which helps build fan base and allows more to be spent on the team.

There is so much false economics at this club, like the horrific experience of buying Gillingham tickets and tickets for the games after that, give people a horrible experience to save a few quid, lose alot more in future.

They get accused of SISU spin anyway!

The product on the pitch is what ultimately matters.

 

[Noggin]

They get accused of SISU spin anyway!

The product on the pitch is what ultimately matters.

By doing the other things well you'll have more fans at the games and more fan loyalty which gives you more money to spend on the pitch which makes the product more attractive which brings more fans and more money to spend on the pitch, it's a positive and reinforcing cycle unfortunately we are currently in the complete opposite of that cycle.

Having better quality content on sky blues player encourages more subscriptions and keeps subscriptions longer which again brings in more money to spend on the pitch.

After a year + away and changing the vast majority of the squad many of our fans are completely disconnected from the club at the moment, it makes it very easy to care less, it makes it very easy not to go to games. This is one area that fights against that.

It's foolish to say well what happens on the pitch is all that really matters so we can run everything else on a shoestring, you can't and it will indirectly affect you on the pitch. Buying tickets for the Gillingham game was single handedly the most frustrating ticket experience of my life much worse than the Olympics, or getting tickets to the final game at wembley before they demolished it etc etc, any casual fan whose goes through that doesn't bother again.

 

[The Lurker]

By doing the other things well you'll have more fans at the games and more fan loyalty which gives you more money to spend on the pitch which makes the product more attractive which brings more fans and more money to spend on the pitch, it's a positive and reinforcing cycle unfortunately we are currently in the complete opposite of that cycle.

Having better quality content on sky blues player encourages more subscriptions and keeps subscriptions longer which again brings in more money to spend on the pitch.

After a year + away and changing the vast majority of the squad many of our fans are completely disconnected from the club at the moment, it makes it very easy to care less, it makes it very easy not to go to games. This is one area that fights against that.

It's foolish to say well what happens on the pitch is all that really matters so we can run everything else on a shoestring, you can't and it will indirectly affect you on the pitch. Buying tickets for the Gillingham game was single handedly the most frustrating ticket experience of my life much worse than the Olympics, or getting tickets to the final game at wembley before they demolished it etc etc, any casual fan whose goes through that doesn't bother again.

i got a ticket for the germany game. what a day (despite the result) that was i heard some leicester fans were mouthy by euston about cov and wished they never did after

 

[Rob S]

it's not an entry level job, they have 18 months experience as essential,

We could argue the semantics for as long as we like but it's an entry-level job. Zero experience is trainee level, and in this case, 18-months is entry-level. I'm guessing that you're not in the business of hiring many people in the media sector.

it's not any young persons dream job. It's not like we are talking about playing for the team.

I didn't say that. I said 'lot of young Cov fans'. Again, semantics but we can call a difference between 'dream' & 'fantasy' & by the age of, say 23, I'm guessing most Cov fans will have worked out that playing for Cov at any level is going to be the latter whereas this job could be a next best thing. Maybe you need to get in touch with the media dept. at Cov Uni and ask them about the expectations and dreams of their students?

Considering it sounds like you'll be expected to work more than 40 hours a week that puts it at mcdonald's type hourly rates. You do get a couple of free season tickets but of course you'll be working during the game.

You are of course right to many people that they would be happier in a lower paid job than a high paid job with a massive commute, but thats not a good argument for taking what is in essence just above minimum wage for a job that requires experience and a degree, it's exploitative.

*shrug* As I said, welcome to the world of supply and demand. PHP coders, *nix druids, plumbers, engineers, welders? High demand, short supply, wages high. (Relatively.) Journalists, media in general have far more competition for fewer openings so it's a fight and the wages get squeezed. I'm guessing that you'd be surprised if you knew how much the Cov Tel staff get paid considering the hours that they put in, pressure they deal with and the experience they have.

The bigger issue amongst creative & media graduates is internships without pay or, in extreme cases, no expenses over periods up to 2 years. The sectors are that competitive that there is some serious exploitation. Of course it ends up with the only ones who can fill these positions being the ones with mummy & daddy who can afford to sub them which shuts out many kids from the get go.

Thats a good argument to use when you are deciding between a 30k job in Coventry and a 38k job in Birmingham and a 55k job in London. It's not a good argument for working for a pittance in a skilled position where you've run up debts of 30k at university for.

Welcome to the real world. I'm not saying that the situation with education & workers' rights is in any way ideal but if you are calling out Sisu/CCFC for doing something that most private sector employers will do then you're missing the point.

Journalism has always been competitive and underpaid at all but the higher levels. If you wanted to make some real money, you went into the print but then that got stamped on by the likes of Thatcher, Murdoch & Shah. We've had many years of union-breaking, employment law massaging & education under-funding and if you want to find a hill to die on, try one further up the mountain range than this job.

I've worked & taught in these sectors for years and I've had these discussions many, many, many times. They'll get a good, eager kid who will want to build a career in sports media. Like most things in life, you end up making a compromise somewhere along the way.

 

[Grendel]

The reality is a lot of graduates take minimum wage jobs - at least on a cv its better than IKEA and I'm sure will be paying as well as those "jobs" wasps will create

 

[letsallsingtogether]

But Ikea is a multi international company known by more people the CCFC is I would have thought.
And yes a lot of Graduates do take a low paid job to start with but this is 2 years on from graduating.
You take the job learn from the elders and move on to a better job, does this really sound like a better job?

The reality is a lot of graduates take minimum wage jobs - at least on a cv its better than IKEA and I'm sure will be paying as well as those "jobs" wasps will create

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But Ikea is a multi international company known by more people the CCFC is I would have thought.

Door knob times not quite such a sexy job as even CCFC basket case.

tbh it's a shit salary, but there's probably a middle ground between exploitation and well it's journalism, innit.

Never do the arts for the financial rewards, merely the cultural

 

[letsallsingtogether]

You should know old friend.

Just hate the fact that people are expected to work like dogs for nothing. While the fat Cats get fatter of their hard work.
And yes I was that dog a long time ago.

Door knob times not quite such a sexy job as even CCFC basket case.

tbh it's a shit salary, but there's probably a middle ground between exploitation and well it's journalism, innit.

Never do the arts for the financial rewards, merely the cultural

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You should know old friend.

Just hate the fact that people are expected to work like dogs for nothing. While the fat Cats get fatter of their hard work.
And yes I was that dog a long time ago.

Certainly bloody well do!

And yes, agree. What winds me up most is the fact everyone nowadays seems to buy into the dream of pulling down salaries to everyone's level, rather than raising them up.

 

[Noggin]

We could argue the semantics for as long as we like but it's an entry-level job. Zero experience is trainee level, and in this case, 18-months is entry-level. I'm guessing that you're not in the business of hiring many people in the media sector.

entry level is the level you enter at, the clue is in the title, entry level jobs are those given to recent graduates and for the most part don't require experience.

I didn't say that. I said 'lot of young Cov fans'. Again, semantics but we can call a difference between 'dream' & 'fantasy' & by the age of, say 23, I'm guessing most Cov fans will have worked out that playing for Cov at any level is going to be the latter whereas this job could be a next best thing. Maybe you need to get in touch with the media dept. at Cov Uni and ask them about the expectations and dreams of their students?

fair enough, young Cov fans, it makes no difference, no young cov fans even those studying in the media department at cov uni would consider a long hours 14k job at Coventry city a dream job, no one. Don't you find it strange you talk about it being a stepping stone to a Championship club in one breath and a dream job in another? a dream job and something you feel you have to do to get your foot in the door for terrible pay are pretty much the complete opposites of the job scale and also if you have at least 18 months experience in a relevant job (essential) you already have your foot in the door of the industry, you even have your foot in the door of the football industry if you have the experience of the football league content delivery system they desire.

*shrug* As I said, welcome to the world of supply and demand. PHP coders, *nix druids, plumbers, engineers, welders? High demand, short supply, wages high. (Relatively.) Journalists, media in general have far more competition for fewer openings so it's a fight and the wages get squeezed. I'm guessing that you'd be surprised if you knew how much the Cov Tel staff get paid considering the hours that they put in, pressure they deal with and the experience they have.

I fully understand supply and demand, that doesn't mean we shouldn't criticise when a company exploits that to pay a graduate with experience up to 14k especially with long and antisocial hours.

I don't know what the telegraph pay but the telegraph is a terrible publication, I appreciate that they work hard, I appreciate that it's the best we have for Coventry news but its terrible. If you don't pay people properly and you don't give them the proper resources you get a poor quality product, so if anything the telegraph supports my argument not goes against it. Some of the content isn't just bad its embarrassing, the Andy and Alan videos have lower production values than the average 12 year old on youtube. They look and sound like they are filmed with a handheld iphone.

The bigger issue amongst creative & media graduates is internships without pay or, in extreme cases, no expenses over periods up to 2 years. The sectors are that competitive that there is some serious exploitation. Of course it ends up with the only ones who can fill these positions being the ones with mummy & daddy who can afford to sub them which shuts out many kids from the get go.

yep thats even worse no question, this is still exploitative.

Welcome to the real world. I'm not saying that the situation with education & workers' rights is in any way ideal but if you are calling out Sisu/CCFC for doing something that most private sector employers will do then you're missing the point.

its 14k at the maximum with long and antisocial hours you seriously can earn more at McDonalds especially as if you have a degree you'd quickly be getting paid more than the starting salary. Any company that pays someone a pittance in an important and skilled job is completely foolish, you'll have high turn staff turnover, have no staff loyalty and the job won't be done as well. I'm on a ccfc forum, this thread is about something ccfc are doing, so that is why ccfc are getting the criticism, that does not mean I'm not critical of other companies for similar things because I absolutely am. It makes me very angry how my care company treats the care staff and I regularly tell them so, I don't even think they are paid fairly and they for the most part have little education, it's a disgrace to be paying someone with experience and a relevant degree 14k.

Journalism has always been competitive and underpaid at all but the higher levels. If you wanted to make some real money, you went into the print but then that got stamped on by the likes of Thatcher, Murdoch & Shah. We've had many years of union-breaking, employment law massaging & education under-funding and if you want to find a hill to die on, try one further up the mountain range than this job.

There is a difference though between under paid and pittance, when you have a degree and experience but can earn more cleaning toilets or helping old people go to the toilet then the job isn't paying properly. We pay both my cleaner and carers more than this job pays and honestly neither are any good.

I've worked & taught in these sectors for years and I've had these discussions many, many, many times. They'll get a good, eager kid who will want to build a career in sports media. Like most things in life, you end up making a compromise somewhere along the way.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Apaprently there has been a vacancy for a Council Journalist for holiday cover this week.

Plenty who would do that for nothing I'd have thought.

 

[wingy]

Apaprently there has been a vacancy for a Council Journalist for holiday cover this week.

Plenty who would do that for nothing I'd have thought.

I think He's gone underground or Undercover,not In the Ground(Not Stadium).

 

[cloughie]

If i had the experience for it, hell yeah.
Every game home and away free, working for the club i love, inside info on most things Sky Blue, perks on top of perks im sure.
If its something you`re into and a City fan the money isnt as important as doing something you enjoy in an environmnet you enjoy for the club you love.

Who goes to work day after day earning decent money and does nothing but whinge about it, rather do something i enjoy for lesser money than slog away for good money and hate it!
Peace of mind and job satisfaction over money all day everyday!

Until you have to put out sisu bullshit that you know is bullshit and intended to con the fans .....................Hmm I sense a resignation coming or would it be go with the flow for the job?

 

[ajsccfc]

If writing bullshit was cause for resignation, there'd be no journalists employed anywhere.

 

[lewys33]

This isn't necessarily a dig at the club. More at the fact you can rack up ££££'s of student debt, to land a £14k job? wow.

Glad I had all mine paid for.

 

[Sbarcher]

This isn't necessarily a dig at the club. More at the fact you can rack up ££££'s of student debt, to land a £14k job? wow.

Glad I had all mine paid for.

Obviously the Club are doing the person a favour! If they earned more than £21k they would have to start repaying their student loan. Well done CCFC, helping our poor grads.

 

[lewys33]

Obviously the Club are doing the person a favour! If they earned more than £21k they would have to start repaying their student loan. Well done CCFC, helping our poor grads.

I assume this is a joke?

 

[Sbarcher]

I assume this is a joke?

Your assumption sir, is correct.............

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

This 'job spec' and the wage offered really does some up wider social issues.

I know it's Coventry City.. but that wage really is an insult for what they expect. It looks like they've removed it but from what I remember, a degree, 1/2 years worth of experience, a car and frequent driving... for 14k?

Speaking as someone who graduated 2 years ago and works in a similar field in Communications, that is laughable. For what it's asking should be 20k. Can't afford to rent a bedsit in Wood End with 14k.

And to Sbarcher- whoever told you that, is wrong. I started paying mine off in my first job after uni which was only 19k..

Obviously the Club are doing the person a favour! If they earned more than £21k they would have to start repaying their student loan. Well done CCFC, helping our poor grads.

 

[Sbarcher]

This 'job spec' and the wage offered really does some up wider social issues.

I know it's Coventry City.. but that wage really is an insult for what they expect. It looks like they've removed it but from what I remember, a degree, 1/2 years worth of experience, a car and frequent driving... for 14k?

Speaking as someone who graduated 2 years ago and works in a similar field in Communications, that is laughable. For what it's asking should be 20k. Can't afford to rent a bedsit in Wood End with 14k.

And to Sbarcher- whoever told you that, is wrong. I started paying mine off in my first job after uni which was only 19k..

Just reading from the Gov website - must be time related I guess....
https://www.gov.uk/student-finance/repayments

 

[Wheelfass]

Job Available.

Here is the description - http://www.ccfc.co.uk/documents/club-journalist144-2015998.pdf

Seriously, what do they expect for that salary??

To apply for this position please send your up-to-date CV and a covering letter to
[email protected]

Nick!!!!!!!

 

[mds]

To apply for this position please send your up-to-date CV and a covering letter to
[email protected]

Nick!!!!!!!

Naa, you need to join a band.

 

[Nick]

To apply for this position please send your up-to-date CV and a covering letter to
[email protected]

Nick!!!!!!!

Plenty of Nick's in the world?

 

[Noggin]

This 'job spec' and the wage offered really does some up wider social issues.

I know it's Coventry City.. but that wage really is an insult for what they expect. It looks like they've removed it but from what I remember, a degree, 1/2 years worth of experience, a car and frequent driving... for 14k?

Speaking as someone who graduated 2 years ago and works in a similar field in Communications, that is laughable. For what it's asking should be 20k. Can't afford to rent a bedsit in Wood End with 14k.

And to Sbarcher- whoever told you that, is wrong. I started paying mine off in my first job after uni which was only 19k..

student loan is 21k now for repayment, the student loan system is worse now than it was in the past and the education cost has gone up dramatically. Most people will never pay it off now, if your loan is 30k is I presume is about average for a 3 year course these days now tuition is 9k a year at the majority of unis, up to earning about 30k a year the amount of your loan continues to rise as the rate of interest is higher than your payments. Thankfully the loan gets written off after 30 years which is the way the majority will get rid of it. We were lucky with our 10k loans and 1.5% interest rates.

 

[skybluetom]

Journos are poorly paid anyway are they not? A guy currently working for the CET stated that he started on 11,500 grand a year at another paper. To put it into some perspective Owen Jones, best selling author, Oxford graduate and apparent future of left wing politics in this country was on 25k a year working the for the Independent apparently. It's one of those careers that people do coz they enjoy it I imainge rather than for monetary gain. It is crazy though, you could earn way more than that picking at your local Tesco warehouse.

 

[Sbarcher]

Journos are poorly paid anyway are they not? A guy currently working for the CET stated that he started on 11,500 grand a year at another paper. To put it into some perspective Owen Jones, best selling author, Oxford graduate and apparent future of left wing politics in this country was on 25k a year working the for the Independent apparently. It's one of those careers that people do coz they enjoy it I imainge rather than for monetary gain.

Just like Prem footballers eh......................