His career stats are far superior to Baker by the way
But surely this isn't about who is better than who, it's about what players TM believes will best suit the system he wants to play.
It's irrelevant if JOB is better than Baker, or Baker is better than JOB.
Lately JOB has become more of a bit part player and Mowbray obviously doesn't see him as key starter for him every week and JOB wants to be starting every week.
No point arguing about individual merits, it's all about systems and how players fit into those systems.
I think he has a little, yes. He said himself we needed to adapt and change.Mowbray hasn't changed the system has he from the time JOB was playing?
I think he has a little, yes. He said himself we needed to adapt and change.
I really rate JOB, but he hasn't been the same player of late and I do think that TM has asked him to perform a role that he is not quite conformable with.
Previously JOB has been given licence to roam and you would see him in all four quartets of the pitch. Lately, he has seemed to be deployed in a more set position.
Of course we can just all speculate, but I would say the combination of JOB not being as influential as previous and the fact that he has been more restrained in his wanderings on the pitch, make me think TM doesn't feel he can fulfil the role he wants of him.
JOB has been more disciplined of late, but I don't think that quite suits his game.
Obviously entitled to your opinion, but I would say it is quite clear that JOB is unhappy and that's because he wants to play every week. That's the type of player he is and he always looks thoroughly disappointed when he is substituted too.Sorry - don't agree. Think it's a mistake. He is pretty flexible and no one knows if he's happy or not.
At also seems odd that people are critical of his lack of discipline yet he was a pivotal player when we were at our performance peak. It's really hard to believe Hunt is going to be a better fit from what we have seen of him.
Mistake in my view that has no benefit at all. We'd have been better not signing Hunt and not wasting time and I assume money on Bigiamara.
I'd have preferred to keep him but this is clearly a move forced by the player.
I'm guessing we have a recall clause in the case of an injury crisis.
Yep. Think JOB may well have gone to TM saying he wants first team football and TM has said he can't guarantee that.
Doesn't every player want that?
Yes, but I think you know what I mean. There have been times before where I'm sure JOB has been one of the first names down on the team sheet. That now doesn't seem to be the case.Doesn't every player want that?
That's fair enough
Just hope we get in a free transfer now.
Preferably a bit of pace to replace Kent.
Don't worry-we have Bigi!
Odd then he has until now played more games in mid field than any other player with the exception of Vincelot and was a significant player in the long unbeaten run.
His career stats are far superior to Baker by the way
Not sure how you would really quantify that.
However from a purely statistical basis and you did say career stats.
Baker career average 1 goal in early every 4.5 games
Obrien Career average 1 goal in every 15 games.
I would claim it by the fact that most Barnsley observers rated him as a championship player.
Most of our fans rightly did not rate baker at all.
Comparing the goal ratio is pointless as they are different players but even the O Brien has scored more goals in the championship. Job has played only 2 seasons at this level - baker has trawled the lower leagues for all of his career.
On this one there really is no debate.
Just this one???But JOB and Baker have played 4 seasons in the Championship, therefore you are wrong on this one Grendull
But JOB and Baker have played 4 seasons in the Championship, therefore you are wrong on this one Grendull
Wrong about what?
I would claim it by the fact that most Barnsley observers rated him as a championship player.
Most of our fans rightly did not rate baker at all.
Comparing the goal ratio is pointless as they are different players but even the O Brien has scored more goals in the championship. Job has played only 2 seasons at this level - baker has trawled the lower leagues for all of his career.
On this one there really is no debate.
Just your opinion then not comparing the career stats (like you said) at all
Obviously with the stats Bakers is better.
If we are going by opinions the fact that JOB has been loaned to a lowerevek in league one in a promitiin campaign.
Whereas Baker was a top player in MK Dons promotion campaign.
Plus this was his managers opinion when he got injured I. The championship:-
We're devastated to lose Carl for an extended period," said Robinson.
"He's our top scorer and was player of the year last season - losing a player like that will impact any team."
Then you are right about one thing there is no debate.
He's scored 2 goals - to go with the two he scored in 3 years with us
He's scored 2 goals - to go with the two he scored in 3 years with us
I hope he's not disagreeing with the assertion that Baker isn't a Championship standard player, because he most certainly isn't. He was dreadful for us in the Championship and wouldn't get in our team this season.
He had scored 4 in 12 for them in total prior to injury (keeping up his career total of 1 in 4)
He had scored 2 in 9 games in the league prior to his injury.
So 1 in 5. If he had kept that up it would have been 8 goals from fi field over 40 games.
Just this one???
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