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[stupot07]

It's all well and good, but Johnson was known to be injury prine and not play many games at all.

It doesn't excuse not planning around that and is a bit of a strange argument you are trying to put up.

Yep. Not played 50%+ games in about 7-8 seasons. Plus turner was brought in to replace injured Reda and Cargill was also a replacement for Reda, replacing Turner his previous replacement . Willis was unlucky but I may be wrong but I'm sure he started the season at right back.


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[Irish Sky Blue]

Yes, you have players who can step in and do a job. It's called having a plan B.

Johnson hasn't ever played a full season has he? Everybody knew he was injury prone, so you plan taking that into consideration.

As mentioned, he did bring in replacements, 4 in all. Three who were good players (2 of which had season ending injuries themselves) and one signing who failed. If you count Willis, Martin and Stokes we had 7 players for two positions that season, 6 of which most fans would rate as either good or adequate. Four of them had season ending injuries. As I said, he needed a plan E never mind plan B. What more could he have done?

 

[covcity4life]

is cargill known for being injury prone too?

 

[Nick]

a plan was put together with medical staff to get him through games. it worked for a while and we were flying

spurs did same with ledley king.

sometimes it works sometimes it dont.

THAT'S WHY YOU PLAN FOR IT NOT WORKING AND HAVE A PLAN B INSTEAD OF CRYING ABOUT AN INJURY PRONE DEFENDER WHO NEVER LASTS A SEASON GETTING INJURED AND NOT LASTING THE SEASON.

Caps were needed, as the common sense is just being straight up ignored.

 

[covcity4life]

As mentioned, he did bring in replacements, 4 in all. Three who were good players (2 of which had season ending injuries themselves) and one signing who failed. If you count Willis, Martin and Stokes we had 7 players for two positions that season, 6 of which most fans would rate as either good or adequate. Four of them had season ending injuries. As I said, he needed a plan E never mind plan B. What more could he have done?

well said, plan E lol. shows how far some will go to put boot in incorrectly

SHFSWGTPBII

 

[covcity4life]

THAT'S WHY YOU PLAN FOR IT NOT WORKING AND HAVE A PLAN B INSTEAD OF CRYING ABOUT AN INJURY PRONE DEFENDER WHO NEVER LASTS A SEASON GETTING INJURED AND NOT LASTING THE SEASON.

Caps were needed, as the common sense is just being straight up ignored.

you want to get rude i can bring the old covcity4life back any time mate.

your plan b stuff has been deystroyed. stop ignoring irish sky blue

 

[Kingokings204]

So cc4l do you want cov or Blackburn to win tonight?

 

[Nick]

As mentioned, he did bring in replacements, 4 in all. Three who were good players (2 of which had season ending injuries themselves) and one signing who failed. If you count Willis, Martin and Stokes we had 7 players for two positions that season, 6 of which most fans would rate as either good or adequate. Four of them had season ending injuries. As I said, he needed a plan E never mind plan B. What more could he have done?

He could have just spent less time chasing big names around and built a solid L1 squad with backup.

Johnson was injured on the 17th October, he brought in injury prone Ben Turner in November. He actually signed 9 players on contracts in the winter window (not loans) and 6 loanees. You would think within 15 players he would be able to get cover at centre back.

He seemed to have an obsession with strikers, even when we were crying out for centre halves and had just signed Reid he was bringing wingers in on trial leaving us wide open at the back.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Where is Bob's 'guess who this is' picture today. Anyone else missing them

Not me!

 

[vow]

you want to get rude i can bring the old covcity4life back any time mate

LOL, crying again :cigar:

 

[Nick]

you want to get rude i can bring the old covcity4life back any time mate.

your plan b stuff has been deystroyed. stop ignoring irish sky blue

No it hasn't, because even watching his games you could see he didn't have a plan A for the large majority of them.

Still remember Fleetwood where Pressley tactically out-did him.

We had Fleck, Vincelot, Maddison, Cole, Armstrong, J Murphy, J Stephens. Let that sink in a bit.

 

[covcity4life]

So cc4l do you want cov or Blackburn to win tonight?

what a pathetic question,i hope it was a joke.

i want cov as i support cov

mowbray being our best manager in years means nothing tonight, i hope we win 10-0

tommrow? good luck to him and blackburn in getting promotion.

 

[covcity4life]

No it hasn't, because even watching his games you could see he didn't have a plan A for the large majority of them.

wow with no plan A got 8th place, guy is a genius!

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

We have gone down, Mowbray has gone, blaming whoever doesn't help us win games.
Let's get behind the manager and team we have.

 

[Nick]

wow with no plan A got 8th place, guy is a genius!

No, with a Plan A that got found out and other managers nullified it we dropped like a stone.

 

[vow]

Don't feed him!

 

[covcity4life]

No, with a Plan A that got found out and other managers nullified it we dropped like a stone.

thats not what you said though is it?

you said "because even watching his games you could see he didn't have a plan A for the large majority of them."

majority of games were in league 1, the table doesnt lie,we finished 8th. so if he didnt have a plan a and we still got 8th that means he is a genius, if he did have a plan a then you lied

i am just giving sensible answers to the rubbish lies people write about the man. this doesnt make me bias. i am just very smart.

this day will always be remembered as the day covcity4life won the TM debate and put it to bed. come midnight i will not respond to tm articles or threads

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

One thing that I can guarantee is that there were very few of the people now slating Mowbray who were saying what a poor manager he was after that November game against Gillingham. Easy to be wise after the event. I really enjoyed watching us play under Mowbray. We played fast exciting football and for a while we're able to dream of better things. He was also an honest and honourable man. Ultimately he failed, just like every other manager we have had over the past 15 years. I like Robin's and the way he has the team playing also quick attacking football. I didn't enjoy watching us under Slade, Venus or Pressley(46 passes to end up exactly where we started in the first place). However, I know and so does everyone else that Robin's is only a few poor results away from being slated by the same people now praising him and saying how great the signings are. Managers today are on a hiding to nothing as instant results are the only thing that keeps them in a job. There never seems to be the sense, we have got the right man and we will give him time to build a team and a club.

 

[vow]

One thing that I can guarantee is that there were very few of the people now slating Mowbray who were saying what a poor manager he was after that November game against Gillingham. Easy to be wise after the event. I really enjoyed watching us play under Mowbray. We played fast exciting football and for a while we're able to dream of better things. He was also an honest and honourable man. Ultimately he failed, just like every other manager we have had over the past 15 years. I like Robin's and the way he has the team playing also quick attacking football. I didn't enjoy watching us under Slade, Venus or Pressley(46 passes to end up exactly where we started in the first place). However, I know and so does everyone else that Robin's is only a few poor results away from being slated by the same people now praising him and saying how great the signings are. Managers today are on a hiding to nothing as instant results are the only thing that keeps them in a job. There never seems to be the sense, we have got the right man and we will give him time to build a team and a club.

I believe most of us would agree with that, but his recruitment last season let us down.

 

[Nick]

thats not what you said though is it?

you said "because even watching his games you could see he didn't have a plan A for the large majority of them."

majority of games were in league 1, the table doesnt lie,we finished 8th. so if he didnt have a plan a and we still got 8th that means he is a genius, if he did have a plan a then you lied

i am just giving sensible answers to the rubbish lies people write about the man. this doesnt make me bias. i am just very smart.

this day will always be remembered as the day covcity4life won the TM debate and put it to bed. come midnight i will not respond to tm articles or threads

Yes, because plan A had vanished. It was nullified. After November there was no plan.

 

[covcity4life]

One thing that I can guarantee is that there were very few of the people now slating Mowbray who were saying what a poor manager he was after that November game against Gillingham. Easy to be wise after the event. I really enjoyed watching us play under Mowbray. We played fast exciting football and for a while we're able to dream of better things. He was also an honest and honourable man. Ultimately he failed, just like every other manager we have had over the past 15 years. I like Robin's and the way he has the team playing also quick attacking football. I didn't enjoy watching us under Slade, Venus or Pressley(46 passes to end up exactly where we started in the first place). However, I know and so does everyone else that Robin's is only a few poor results away from being slated by the same people now praising him and saying how great the signings are. Managers today are on a hiding to nothing as instant results are the only thing that keeps them in a job. There never seems to be the sense, we have got the right man and we will give him time to build a team and a club.

thats true and a great point

if we do badly i will back robins as long as i can to turn it around and remember the good times if he does leave the club. wont be like some on here who turn on him and make threads like "why did we sign doyle " lol

 

[Nick]

One thing that I can guarantee is that there were very few of the people now slating Mowbray who were saying what a poor manager he was after that November game against Gillingham. Easy to be wise after the event. I really enjoyed watching us play under Mowbray. We played fast exciting football and for a while we're able to dream of better things. He was also an honest and honourable man. Ultimately he failed, just like every other manager we have had over the past 15 years. I like Robin's and the way he has the team playing also quick attacking football. I didn't enjoy watching us under Slade, Venus or Pressley(46 passes to end up exactly where we started in the first place). However, I know and so does everyone else that Robin's is only a few poor results away from being slated by the same people now praising him and saying how great the signings are. Managers today are on a hiding to nothing as instant results are the only thing that keeps them in a job. There never seems to be the sense, we have got the right man and we will give him time to build a team and a club.

Yes but I'm not sure what warrants the love in. We had some good results, I also remember comebacks against Peterborough and Preston in the JPT but it then doesn't mean the manager's aren't liable if they screw up.

It's the same with Reid, he scored a wonder goal, 2 wonder crosses in the checkatrade but it doesn't excuse him of being non existent the rest of the time.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

THAT'S WHY YOU PLAN FOR IT NOT WORKING AND HAVE A PLAN B INSTEAD OF CRYING ABOUT AN INJURY PRONE DEFENDER WHO NEVER LASTS A SEASON GETTING INJURED AND NOT LASTING THE SEASON.

Caps were needed, as the common sense is just being straight up ignored.

During that season we had Johnson, Martin, Willis, Cargill, Turner, Stevens, Ricketts( who I had forgotten about ) Stokes ( who looked a good centre half when he played there), Vincelot who played a few games at the back and Ramage who failed. That is 9 players to cover two positions, 8 of which are adequate ( Martin) or good centre halves. (I think Vincelot has played mostly centre half for Bradford). To me that is a lot of centre half cover for two positions. I would ask again, what more could he do to cover his injury prone defender?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Yep. Not played 50%+ games in about 7-8 seasons. Plus turner was brought in to replace injured Reda and Cargill was also a replacement for Reda, replacing Turner his previous replacement . Willis was unlucky but I may be wrong but I'm sure he started the season at right back.


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I think Willis did start at right back. I think most people would see him as a centre half than a full back.

 

[Nick]

During that season we had Johnson, Martin, Willis, Cargill, Turner, Stevens, Ricketts( who I had forgotten about ) Stokes ( who looked a good centre half when he played there), Vincelot who played a few games at the back and Ramage who failed. That is 9 players to cover two positions, 8 of which are adequate ( Martin) or good centre halves. (I think Vincelot has played mostly centre half for Bradford). To me that is a lot of centre half cover for two positions. I would ask again, what more could he do to cover his injury prone defender?

Why didn't he play Stokes or Vincelot in centre half as cover then?

How many of those were planned cover and how many were rush panics?

 

[lifeskyblue]

To throw in my two pennies.
TM had the side for half a season playing the most attacking and exciting football I have seen from ccfc for years.
The flair players he got in Armstrong, Murphy and Kent were inspired but I'm not sure how well they were planned for. Arma came in with a few days to spare and both Murphy just after the start with Kent a short while after. That it all worked was part luck part judgement. Whilst it succeeded it was great following the skyblues.
TM was unlucky with injuries; first Maddison then reda. He got the right man in following reda's injury in turner but after he got injured the mistake of f rampage was made.
Losing Kent...and the fallout with o'brien as well as a poor January window turned promotion certainties into also rans.
It was right to give him another chance at the start of last season but a poor summer recruitment and a poor opening run and he had to go. He left with dignity.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but with TM it shows the fine balance tween success and failure. We were hailing him as our first 'proper' manager in years when he started but were pillorying him as not understanding the third division when he left.
I honestly believe that if reda or turner had remained fit then he would still be our manager and we would be in the championship. He would then be a ccfc hero.
That's the vagaries of football management.


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[covcity4life]

During that season we had Johnson, Martin, Willis, Cargill, Turner, Stevens, Ricketts( who I had forgotten about ) Stokes ( who looked a good centre half when he played there), Vincelot who played a few games at the back and Ramage who failed. That is 9 players to cover two positions, 8 of which are adequate ( Martin) or good centre halves. (I think Vincelot has played mostly centre half for Bradford). To me that is a lot of centre half cover for two positions. I would ask again, what more could he do to cover his injury prone defender?

yeah but....he was injury prone.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Yes but I'm not sure what warrants the love in. We had some good results, I also remember comebacks against Peterborough and Preston in the JPT but it then doesn't mean the manager's aren't liable if they screw up.

It's the same with Reid, he scored a wonder goal, 2 wonder crosses in the checkatrade but it doesn't excuse him of being non existent the rest of the time.

Not sure what your point is. To compare Mowbray and Reid is a very odd choice. Mowbray was more than just a one match wonder (For Preston in the JPT Robins was in charge)
He came in at the end of a season and turned around a team heading for relegation and saved them. He then got that same team that only survived in the last twenty minutes of the last game to finish eighth the next season playing fast exciting football. His honesty was in marked contrast to the shysters who run and own our club.
As I say, ultimately it can be said he failed. However, for a while he gave us hope and a team to be proud of.
Not a love in, just respect for someone who tried their best in very difficult circumstances and who for a while, against the odds seemed like he was going to succeed.

 

[skybluetony176]

So what you're basically saying is that TM's legacy is a bang average season followed by leaving us bottom of the league with not much but some graffiti art on the Ryton walls.

No, but I like your spin. I'm saying he saved us from relegation, gave some area's of the club back some identity and pride, finished his one full season bang where the budget indicated we would fall, recruited as well as the budget would allow and when he left our league position reflected that budget. And in that order.

Given that when he arrived he was apparently rebuilding a scouting system (as did Pressley have to by the way) why did Robbins have to do it again? Isn't it obvious that successive managers are doing a rebuilding job from one end while someone else is doing a dismantling job from the other? If it's happened with the scouting network where else has it happened? How does this contribute to ideal working conditions for a manager? Any manager? At any club?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

To throw in my two pennies.
TM had the side for half a season playing the most attacking and exciting football I have seen from ccfc for years.
The flair players he got in Armstrong, Murphy and Kent were inspired but I'm not sure how well they were planned for. Arma came in with a few days to spare and both Murphy just after the start with Kent a short while after. That it all worked was part luck part judgement. Whilst it succeeded it was great following the skyblues.
TM was unlucky with injuries; first Maddison then reda. He got the right man in following reda's injury in turner but after he got injured the mistake of f rampage was made.
Losing Kent...and the fallout with o'brien as well as a poor January window turned promotion certainties into also rans.
It was right to give him another chance at the start of last season but a poor summer recruitment and a poor opening run and he had to go. He left with dignity.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but with TM it shows the fine balance tween success and failure. We were hailing him as our first 'proper' manager in years when he started but were pillorying him as not understanding the third division when he left.
I honestly believe that if reda or turner had remained fit then he would still be our manager and we would be in the championship. He would then be a ccfc hero.
That's the vagaries of football management.


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The leaving out and then the loaning out of O'Brien was one thing that I could not understand. To some on here he was a headless chicken. To me he was an influential and skilful player. Again if he had remained we may have got in the play offs.

 

[skybluetony176]

wow with no plan A got 8th place, guy is a genius!

Must have been some plan A.

 

[Grendel]

yeah but....he was injury prone.

We were unbeaten for the next 8 games after johnsons departure

 

[covcity4life]

I agree saying reda injury prone is not a reason to diss mowbray

Everyone starting to agree with me now. Always happens eventually

 

[steve82]

I agree saying reda injury prone is not a reason to diss mowbray

Everyone starting to agree with me now. Always happens eventually

Still don't excuse the incoming and outgoing transfers of summer of 2016.

A experienced manager of his cv should of done better unfortunately.

 

[Grendel]

The fact is the season panned out exactly as Presley's did at sixfields and Mowbray didn't start with a ten point reduction.

Both were similar in terms of overall contribution and Pressley did it with Webster and Seabourne at the back.