Yep. Not played 50%+ games in about 7-8 seasons. Plus turner was brought in to replace injured Reda and Cargill was also a replacement for Reda, replacing Turner his previous replacement . Willis was unlucky but I may be wrong but I'm sure he started the season at right back.It's all well and good, but Johnson was known to be injury prine and not play many games at all.
It doesn't excuse not planning around that and is a bit of a strange argument you are trying to put up.
As mentioned, he did bring in replacements, 4 in all. Three who were good players (2 of which had season ending injuries themselves) and one signing who failed. If you count Willis, Martin and Stokes we had 7 players for two positions that season, 6 of which most fans would rate as either good or adequate. Four of them had season ending injuries. As I said, he needed a plan E never mind plan B. What more could he have done?Yes, you have players who can step in and do a job. It's called having a plan B.
Johnson hasn't ever played a full season has he? Everybody knew he was injury prone, so you plan taking that into consideration.
a plan was put together with medical staff to get him through games. it worked for a while and we were flying
spurs did same with ledley king.
sometimes it works sometimes it dont.
well said, plan E lol. shows how far some will go to put boot in incorrectlyAs mentioned, he did bring in replacements, 4 in all. Three who were good players (2 of which had season ending injuries themselves) and one signing who failed. If you count Willis, Martin and Stokes we had 7 players for two positions that season, 6 of which most fans would rate as either good or adequate. Four of them had season ending injuries. As I said, he needed a plan E never mind plan B. What more could he have done?
THAT'S WHY YOU PLAN FOR IT NOT WORKING AND HAVE A PLAN B INSTEAD OF CRYING ABOUT AN INJURY PRONE DEFENDER WHO NEVER LASTS A SEASON GETTING INJURED AND NOT LASTING THE SEASON.
Caps were needed, as the common sense is just being straight up ignored.
As mentioned, he did bring in replacements, 4 in all. Three who were good players (2 of which had season ending injuries themselves) and one signing who failed. If you count Willis, Martin and Stokes we had 7 players for two positions that season, 6 of which most fans would rate as either good or adequate. Four of them had season ending injuries. As I said, he needed a plan E never mind plan B. What more could he have done?
Not me!Where is Bob's 'guess who this is' picture today. Anyone else missing them
LOL, crying again :cigar:you want to get rude i can bring the old covcity4life back any time mate
you want to get rude i can bring the old covcity4life back any time mate.
your plan b stuff has been deystroyed. stop ignoring irish sky blue
So cc4l do you want cov or Blackburn to win tonight?
No it hasn't, because even watching his games you could see he didn't have a plan A for the large majority of them.
wow with no plan A got 8th place, guy is a genius!
No, with a Plan A that got found out and other managers nullified it we dropped like a stone.
I believe most of us would agree with that, but his recruitment last season let us down.One thing that I can guarantee is that there were very few of the people now slating Mowbray who were saying what a poor manager he was after that November game against Gillingham. Easy to be wise after the event. I really enjoyed watching us play under Mowbray. We played fast exciting football and for a while we're able to dream of better things. He was also an honest and honourable man. Ultimately he failed, just like every other manager we have had over the past 15 years. I like Robin's and the way he has the team playing also quick attacking football. I didn't enjoy watching us under Slade, Venus or Pressley(46 passes to end up exactly where we started in the first place). However, I know and so does everyone else that Robin's is only a few poor results away from being slated by the same people now praising him and saying how great the signings are. Managers today are on a hiding to nothing as instant results are the only thing that keeps them in a job. There never seems to be the sense, we have got the right man and we will give him time to build a team and a club.
thats not what you said though is it?
you said "because even watching his games you could see he didn't have a plan A for the large majority of them."
majority of games were in league 1, the table doesnt lie,we finished 8th. so if he didnt have a plan a and we still got 8th that means he is a genius, if he did have a plan a then you lied
i am just giving sensible answers to the rubbish lies people write about the man. this doesnt make me bias. i am just very smart.
this day will always be remembered as the day covcity4life won the TM debate and put it to bed. come midnight i will not respond to tm articles or threads
One thing that I can guarantee is that there were very few of the people now slating Mowbray who were saying what a poor manager he was after that November game against Gillingham. Easy to be wise after the event. I really enjoyed watching us play under Mowbray. We played fast exciting football and for a while we're able to dream of better things. He was also an honest and honourable man. Ultimately he failed, just like every other manager we have had over the past 15 years. I like Robin's and the way he has the team playing also quick attacking football. I didn't enjoy watching us under Slade, Venus or Pressley(46 passes to end up exactly where we started in the first place). However, I know and so does everyone else that Robin's is only a few poor results away from being slated by the same people now praising him and saying how great the signings are. Managers today are on a hiding to nothing as instant results are the only thing that keeps them in a job. There never seems to be the sense, we have got the right man and we will give him time to build a team and a club.
One thing that I can guarantee is that there were very few of the people now slating Mowbray who were saying what a poor manager he was after that November game against Gillingham. Easy to be wise after the event. I really enjoyed watching us play under Mowbray. We played fast exciting football and for a while we're able to dream of better things. He was also an honest and honourable man. Ultimately he failed, just like every other manager we have had over the past 15 years. I like Robin's and the way he has the team playing also quick attacking football. I didn't enjoy watching us under Slade, Venus or Pressley(46 passes to end up exactly where we started in the first place). However, I know and so does everyone else that Robin's is only a few poor results away from being slated by the same people now praising him and saying how great the signings are. Managers today are on a hiding to nothing as instant results are the only thing that keeps them in a job. There never seems to be the sense, we have got the right man and we will give him time to build a team and a club.
During that season we had Johnson, Martin, Willis, Cargill, Turner, Stevens, Ricketts( who I had forgotten about ) Stokes ( who looked a good centre half when he played there), Vincelot who played a few games at the back and Ramage who failed. That is 9 players to cover two positions, 8 of which are adequate ( Martin) or good centre halves. (I think Vincelot has played mostly centre half for Bradford). To me that is a lot of centre half cover for two positions. I would ask again, what more could he do to cover his injury prone defender?THAT'S WHY YOU PLAN FOR IT NOT WORKING AND HAVE A PLAN B INSTEAD OF CRYING ABOUT AN INJURY PRONE DEFENDER WHO NEVER LASTS A SEASON GETTING INJURED AND NOT LASTING THE SEASON.
Caps were needed, as the common sense is just being straight up ignored.
I think Willis did start at right back. I think most people would see him as a centre half than a full back.Yep. Not played 50%+ games in about 7-8 seasons. Plus turner was brought in to replace injured Reda and Cargill was also a replacement for Reda, replacing Turner his previous replacement . Willis was unlucky but I may be wrong but I'm sure he started the season at right back.
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During that season we had Johnson, Martin, Willis, Cargill, Turner, Stevens, Ricketts( who I had forgotten about ) Stokes ( who looked a good centre half when he played there), Vincelot who played a few games at the back and Ramage who failed. That is 9 players to cover two positions, 8 of which are adequate ( Martin) or good centre halves. (I think Vincelot has played mostly centre half for Bradford). To me that is a lot of centre half cover for two positions. I would ask again, what more could he do to cover his injury prone defender?
yeah but....he was injury prone.During that season we had Johnson, Martin, Willis, Cargill, Turner, Stevens, Ricketts( who I had forgotten about ) Stokes ( who looked a good centre half when he played there), Vincelot who played a few games at the back and Ramage who failed. That is 9 players to cover two positions, 8 of which are adequate ( Martin) or good centre halves. (I think Vincelot has played mostly centre half for Bradford). To me that is a lot of centre half cover for two positions. I would ask again, what more could he do to cover his injury prone defender?
Yes but I'm not sure what warrants the love in. We had some good results, I also remember comebacks against Peterborough and Preston in the JPT but it then doesn't mean the manager's aren't liable if they screw up.
It's the same with Reid, he scored a wonder goal, 2 wonder crosses in the checkatrade but it doesn't excuse him of being non existent the rest of the time.
So what you're basically saying is that TM's legacy is a bang average season followed by leaving us bottom of the league with not much but some graffiti art on the Ryton walls.
The leaving out and then the loaning out of O'Brien was one thing that I could not understand. To some on here he was a headless chicken. To me he was an influential and skilful player. Again if he had remained we may have got in the play offs.To throw in my two pennies.
TM had the side for half a season playing the most attacking and exciting football I have seen from ccfc for years.
The flair players he got in Armstrong, Murphy and Kent were inspired but I'm not sure how well they were planned for. Arma came in with a few days to spare and both Murphy just after the start with Kent a short while after. That it all worked was part luck part judgement. Whilst it succeeded it was great following the skyblues.
TM was unlucky with injuries; first Maddison then reda. He got the right man in following reda's injury in turner but after he got injured the mistake of f rampage was made.
Losing Kent...and the fallout with o'brien as well as a poor January window turned promotion certainties into also rans.
It was right to give him another chance at the start of last season but a poor summer recruitment and a poor opening run and he had to go. He left with dignity.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but with TM it shows the fine balance tween success and failure. We were hailing him as our first 'proper' manager in years when he started but were pillorying him as not understanding the third division when he left.
I honestly believe that if reda or turner had remained fit then he would still be our manager and we would be in the championship. He would then be a ccfc hero.
That's the vagaries of football management.
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wow with no plan A got 8th place, guy is a genius!
yeah but....he was injury prone.
I agree saying reda injury prone is not a reason to diss mowbray
Everyone starting to agree with me now. Always happens eventually
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