Joe Elliot Rousing Speech last night (1 Viewer)

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covboy1987

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For those who were not present Joe Elliot stood up on stage last night and gave a rousing speech in the casino. He mentioned that his team of Haskell, Gary Hoffman, and himself were contacting the administrator immediately to discuss a possible takeover of the club, and that they would be asking the administrator some very direct questions for his opinion who owns what and what owns who as I was surprised to learn I do not even think the likes of Joe Elliot's team even know what SISU has been up to, and they would be asking the administrator immediate clarification and was very business like with that statement which i think means they will 'demand clarifaication'
He went on to say Mr Haskell was impressed with the enthusiasm and love of the club the fans had demonstrated and was equally impressed with the set up of the stadium and the fact the Davis cup and the Match against Brentford was been held at the same time.
Joe Elliot did then say all sit tight for a bumpy ride through this difficult period and there would be many twists and turns but he was 100% confident that himself Gary Hoffman had found the right investor to take Coventry City back to where they belong and that his team had been working hard night and day for the past 12 months to find the right investor and also apologised for being quiet in this period but did not want to get false hope up as what happened in the past.
I am personally a massive Gary Hoffman fan but not so much Joe Elliot only for the sole reason he seemed to be around when the poor decisions in the past were made but Joe did demonstrate last night his commitment and love for the club and if he pulls this off i will personally forgive him for his past involvement and put that down to him being a minority decision maker at the time and i think most fans will accept that joe elliot did not seem to finanically game from past, we also have to remember that Gary and Joe are normal fans like ourselves and there is nothing to stop any of us looking and talking to potential investors




I think all the fans that heard this speech and met with Mr. Haskell will have no doubts this morning that SISU days are numbered and this guy who has been rumoured to also has been rubber stamped by the Council, Higgs trust and ACL is the real deal
 
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Lord_Nampil

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Interesting joe and co want clarification on what is in the admin company, does this mean they could be moving on to talk to the owners of the holdings company sooner rather than later??
 
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)

Skybluerevolution (Pt2)

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Did he make that same speech when getting the shares for SISU? I like Joe and he is a Sky Blue no doubt, but IMO he is dealing with more adept business people than himself, he made his money from selling his fathers motor parts business, football and football club investment and ownership have moved on from the local butcher sponsoring the kit it is now big business maybe this is where Hoffman comes in, but isn't Gary, Geoffrey Robinson's (£20 million write off until we get back to the prem) son in law? there seems to be a lot of links to the past and we all know that it is the past custodians of the club that has helped us to be in our current position. I want us to be stable with good owners that have the club at heart, and if in turn they make a couple of quid so be it, just a little but of me says we have been here before, I hope I am proved wrong...PUSB :blue:
 
italiahorse

italiahorse

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We need to give Joe and the others continued positive feedback.

Yes Joe was there when SISU moved in but at the time it kept us afloat and most of us were relieved.
Looking back the ship could be considered not have a rudder and some might say the captain never left his cabin preferring to allow various people to have a go at steering.
Thankfully the ACL tug boat kept it on course :facepalm:
 
italiahorse

italiahorse

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Lord_Nampil said:
Interesting joe and co want clarification on what is in the admin company, does this mean they could be moving on to talk to the owners of the holdings company sooner rather than later??
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This information should not be rocket science. Why don't the administrators know yet, surely the information is in the public domain. These potential owners need to know what there dealing with before they make an offer and certainly before our hopes get too high.
 
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ccfclinney

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Lord_Nampil said:
Interesting joe and co want clarification on what is in the admin company, does this mean they could be moving on to talk to the owners of the holdings company sooner rather than later??
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It's beacuse they obviously don't want to try buy ccfc ltd if it has no players and football league share In it. And no one seems to know where they are.. Can only wait to see what the administrator finds in his report. Will be the courts who decide in the end if both company's are in admin or not in my opinion
 
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Lord_Nampil

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italiahorse said:
This information should not be rocket science. Why don't the administrators know yet, surely the information is in the public domain. These potential owners need to know what there dealing with before they make an offer and certainly before our hopes get too high.
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That speech to me indicates the end of may date when his report is issued may be too late.... That's why they want to no now!
 
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rupert_bear

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Don't keep being negative about Elliott and his dealing with sisu in 2007, we were very much in the shite then as now and sisu appeared to be the only player in town at the time although Geoffrey Robinson says different. It is about where we are now and that is almost at deaths door.
 
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)

Skybluerevolution (Pt2)

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I think we should be positive...but we need to have some caution, we do not want be in position again, never mind in 18 months time. We may be at death's door as you put it but compared to Portsmouth we are in a much healthier position and they have been through 2 admins...Coventry City will always exist we are too bigger club not to its as simple as that IMO, its now about getting the best deal for the club and fans to be able to move forward, and we need to be cautious who we jump into bed with thats all I am saying, we cannot ignore the fact that Joe and Gary were involved with SISU - lets hope the administrator knows his onions and gets us the best he can. PUSB
 
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Simonpb

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italiahorse said:
We need to give Joe and the others continued positive feedback.

Yes Joe was there when SISU moved in but at the time it kept us afloat and most of us were relieved.
Looking back the ship could be considered not have a rudder and some might say the captain never left his cabin preferring to allow various people to have a go at steering.
Thankfully the ACL tug boat kept it on course :facepalm:
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ACL have forced us into administration - how anyone can think that this is for the good of the club is beyond me! It is completely for the benefit of ACL. I understand that they want to force a change in ownership of the club, so that the row over the stadium rent can be settled and they can keep the club at the Ricoh, but I don't think I'll ever get past the timing of it. This has been the first season in as long as I can remember that there was a bit of optimism about the club. We were all talking about the football, and the possibility of getting to the play-offs rather than the finance and the owners. I'm not a fan of SISU and would be glad to see them leave, but am just incredibly frustrated at the timing of it all!!
 
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Chipfat

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Promotion and a wembley day our would of been great for the fans but would of only really papered over the cracks on how bad the club was being run. Sisu were never good owners and the council knew it, they got us relegated with under funding, wrong appointments in playing and on the board and had to go. So although i understand frustration something had to be done about the long term structure of the club. So bad timing in short terms maybe , bigger picture no timing was right or wrong.

The council, Acl, and trust have laid out plans and funding for this area and have been in what sounds like productive talks with certain parties for a while, so if all pans out next season it will be a new start. With the club being in a better position to fund itself as well as not having to deal with court cases, rent, points deductions or Transfer embargo, just work within FFP rules and stabilize the club and build sensible and within its means. Lets hope the plan comes to a good conclusion so the long suffering fans get some good times back....
 
sw88

sw88

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Anyone who is working towards getting SISU out of our club deserves to be given time to prove himself again!

Hoffman is a man who knows if money is genuine or not. I trust him.

I had my fears of Elliott being involved too as he was active in bringing SISU here, but we all make mistakes i guess, and he seems keen to correct that mistake (and a massive one at that).

Bring us the goods Gary and Joe!.........please
 
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TurkeyTrot

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I've no love for Mr Elliot, his mistakes in my book were toeing the party line for too long and for too many parties showing scant regard to where the path was leading. I've said it a few times now, he may not have been directly involved but he knows where the bodies are buried. However, there's no question that he is a Coventry fan and has in recent times moved away from falling into line with the owners of the club. Maybe it's been made possible or easier by joining up with Mr Hoffman, only he knows the mistakes he's made in the past.
Mr Hoffman was invited onto the board but departed when he saw the SISU regime had no future and would and in tears. Since then I'm sure he's been looking for serious investors, along with Mr Elliot. Lets hope they've found them!
I think we all need to think back to the time SISU moved in for the club, we were desperate and promises were made. Fans and organizations with influence were let down badly, can we really blame them for standing shoulder to shoulder with SISU and being sucked in? Naivety and or desperation ruled the day.
Joes influence at the club, I'm talking where it really matters is probably minimal and he was just wheeled out to be the patsy for unpopular decisions. Personally he should have severed his links sooner.
After all this time with administration, 2 court cases, an administrator being appointed, leaving the stadium, coming back, fans struggling to get tickets no one, and I include the club, the administrator, ACL, the Council, potential investors, the fans the football league or the media have got a clue what's what! The web of smoke screens, mirrors puzzles and enigmas are so tangled it'll take some time to sort out. If that's the sort if owner you want to own our club as long as we're doing ok then fine. But for me it's morally wrong and quiet frankly embarrassing.
All the right noises have been made, including for me, fan involvement but I fear it could take time to sort out.
 
Samo

Samo

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TurkeyTrot said:
I've no love for Mr Elliot, his mistakes in my book were toeing the party line for too long and for too many parties showing scant regard to where the path was leading. I've said it a few times now, he may not have been directly involved but he knows where the bodies are buried. However, there's no question that he is a Coventry fan and has in recent times moved away from falling into line with the owners of the club. Maybe it's been made possible or easier by joining up with Mr Hoffman, only he knows the mistakes he's made in the past.
Mr Hoffman was invited onto the board but departed when he saw the SISU regime had no future and would and in tears. Since then I'm sure he's been looking for serious investors, along with Mr Elliot. Lets hope they've found them!
I think we all need to think back to the time SISU moved in for the club, we were desperate and promises were made. Fans and organizations with influence were let down badly, can we really blame them for standing shoulder to shoulder with SISU and being sucked in? Naivety and or desperation ruled the day.
Joes influence at the club, I'm talking where it really matters is probably minimal and he was just wheeled out to be the patsy for unpopular decisions. Personally he should have severed his links sooner.
After all this time with administration, 2 court cases, an administrator being appointed, leaving the stadium, coming back, fans struggling to get tickets no one, and I include the club, the administrator, ACL, the Council, potential investors, the fans the football league or the media have got a clue what's what! The web of smoke screens, mirrors puzzles and enigmas are so tangled it'll take some time to sort out. If that's the sort if owner you want to own our club as long as we're doing ok then fine. But for me it's morally wrong and quiet frankly embarrassing.
All the right noises have been made, including for me, fan involvement but I fear it could take time to sort out.
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There are honest & dishonest 'mistakes' - I beieve Joe's were honest.
 
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SkyBlueBlood

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Most impressive that not only are they pushing forward with an offer, they have actually revealed their investor which is not always the the case in the murky world of football.
 
Delboycov

Delboycov

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sw88 said:
Arent things like this best done behind closed doors in some instances though?
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Damned if you do damned if you don't though...and who is to say that talks with various parties haven't been going on with GH and JE whilst they've gone off the radar? I think it would be very difficult to keep things completely hush hush until everything is signed,sealed and delivered particularly in the midst of administration and a situation which is downright confusing.
 
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sw88

sw88

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Delboycov said:
Damned if you do damned if you don't though...and who is to say that talks with various parties haven't been going on with GH and JE whilst they've gone off the radar? I think it would be very difficult to keep things completely hush hush until everything is signed,sealed and delivered particularly in the midst of administration and a situation which is downright confusing.
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I'd just be worried that other clubs wanting investment, and may prove more attractive than we currently are could take advantage of him seeking a business venture.

That said, as Preston himself has spoke to the press and confirmed his interest, rather than it being Hoff or Elliott naming him, makes things a little easier as it shows genuine interest.

And I guess before when Hoff tried with a buyout, was told name your investors, and he didnt, and SISU werent interested
 
Paxman II

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sw88 said:
I'd just be worried that other clubs wanting investment, and may prove more attractive than we currently are could take advantage of him seeking a business venture.

That said, as Preston himself has spoke to the press and confirmed his interest, rather than it being Hoff or Elliott naming him, makes things a little easier as it shows genuine interest.

And I guess before when Hoff tried with a buyout, was told name your investors, and he didnt, and SISU werent interested
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Don't be fooled again by the smoke and mirrors! While I welcome the Hoffman/Haskell/Elliott camp it is without doubt the development that brings Haskell to the table. That's the sole reason he will remain interested rather than any other similar sized club with similar prospects.

When all said and done and he gets his development land there will be golden handshakes all round for the likes of Elliott and Hoffman for sure. You help broker a deal you get a commission. The overriding thing for Hoffman/Elliot would be to run the football club on behalf of Haskell keeping it successful and it's profile as high as possible. It would be just as important that Haskell is in control of the anchor tenant and in some way part or even all of the Ricoh arena to fit in with that business model.
Currently the thinking by the Council and ACL would be to still only offer partial share in that operation but I would imagine there would be some substantial movement on this if there is a deal to be done.
I fear the end result could be a development that the council wanted, a football club OK for the short to medium term but unless there is something else in the deal for the footballing side the same ugly mess will be inevitable. The football club MUST have the arena as it's own.
If the council/ACL fail to move in this direction it could be argued they still are not understanding the brevity of the situation that got us here in the first place.
I suggest you all think clearly and deeply about what is being proposed at this time. It all looked great when SISU arrived like the white knight and I don't want a repeat scenario. Tell us the truth Joe when making speeches of harmless fan fulfilling rhetoric. Tell us the plan and how you see it working. can't do that for fear of SISU getting wind? I don't think it's difficult to interpret exactly what your intentions are, we just need to know how much the council/ACL are likely to bend over for you? Hope you have your ducks in a row.
 
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dadgad

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If the club AND city can attract investment from people that accept that they have to put in to get back I see this as a wholly positive development.
Quid quo pro rules and in this regard Sisu have utterly failed.
 
James Smith

James Smith

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Simonpb said:
ACL have forced us into administration - how anyone can think that this is for the good of the club is beyond me! It is completely for the benefit of ACL. I understand that they want to force a change in ownership of the club, so that the row over the stadium rent can be settled and they can keep the club at the Ricoh, but I don't think I'll ever get past the timing of it. This has been the first season in as long as I can remember that there was a bit of optimism about the club. We were all talking about the football, and the possibility of getting to the play-offs rather than the finance and the owners. I'm not a fan of SISU and would be glad to see them leave, but am just incredibly frustrated at the timing of it all!!
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Whilst I can understand your thinking about the Administration if SISU had entered into negotiations earlier, paid the rent and then not played silly buggers when they finally did sit down with ACL, maybe I'd have more sympathy with SISU. For me it was SISU who got us into this message with their superb techniques for successful negotiation. Yes the timing seems bad but and please feel free to correct me if we had done it in the summer whether we had made the playoffs or not we'd have got a Ken Bates style penalty that would have been more than 10 points.
 
James Smith

James Smith

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Paxman II said:
Don't be fooled again by the smoke and mirrors! While I welcome the Hoffman/Haskell/Elliott camp it is without doubt the development that brings Haskell to the table. That's the sole reason he will remain interested rather than any other similar sized club with similar prospects.

When all said and done and he gets his development land there will be golden handshakes all round for the likes of Elliott and Hoffman for sure. You help broker a deal you get a commission. The overriding thing for Hoffman/Elliot would be to run the football club on behalf of Haskell keeping it successful and it's profile as high as possible. It would be just as important that Haskell is in control of the anchor tenant and in some way part or even all of the Ricoh arena to fit in with that business model.
Currently the thinking by the Council and ACL would be to still only offer partial share in that operation but I would imagine there would be some substantial movement on this if there is a deal to be done.
I fear the end result could be a development that the council wanted, a football club OK for the short to medium term but unless there is something else in the deal for the footballing side the same ugly mess will be inevitable. The football club MUST have the arena as it's own.
If the council/ACL fail to move in this direction it could be argued they still are not understanding the brevity of the situation that got us here in the first place.
I suggest you all think clearly and deeply about what is being proposed at this time. It all looked great when SISU arrived like the white knight and I don't want a repeat scenario. Tell us the truth Joe when making speeches of harmless fan fulfilling rhetoric. Tell us the plan and how you see it working. can't do that for fear of SISU getting wind? I don't think it's difficult to interpret exactly what your intentions are, we just need to know how much the council/ACL are likely to bend over for you? Hope you have your ducks in a row.
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Do you know for certain that the council are keen to hang on to their share, I know that councillor was on the radio with Stuart but was he talking about council policy or personal opinion.
 
coundonskyblue

coundonskyblue

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James Smith said:
Do you know for certain that the council are keen to hang on to their share, I know that councillor was on the radio with Stuart but was he talking about council policy or personal opinion.
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It wouldn't be decided by any single Councillor, something like this would have to go to a full Council vote.
 
Paxman II

Paxman II

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Well look at the evidence.
The council own the Ricoh. They formed and set up ACL to operate it. Though they rescued the project some might say they did get a stadium on the cheap. Would they sell it for what they invested in it as taxpayers money?
Doubt it and as they set up ACL to run it this suggest they will keep hold of their cash cow.
We all know the football club was endemic to getting a stadium in the first place yet all they have to show for it is a chance of a 50% stake in ACL that does not include revenue streams that ACL keep and pass on to outside contractors like Compass.
So the council have been readily greedy in their approach while the football club are without revenue benefits. Plus they have stuck the football club with an out of proportion rent arrangement that for a while sustained ACL's operations.

I will say again - without the stadium income streams the football club is unsustainable. What kind of council body would simply ignore those clear signs? It makes one wonder if the council believe in the community they serve or have become self serving at their expense?

I call again for the preposterous ACL/Higgs led operator to be disbanded and the stadium and it's income in the hands of the major tenant.
I hope that is what Haskell's plans include (and not just for the development land) or we will be back to square one in no time.
 
coundonskyblue

coundonskyblue

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Paxman, are you proposing then that ccfc should be responsible for organising concerns, exhibitions and shows at the Ricoh?

Seems a strange remit for a football club.
 
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Tonylinc

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At the end of the day ownership of a football club is not going to attract anyone.....THERE IS SIMPLY NO MONEY TO BE MADE FROM FOOTBALL ALONE. The real money is to be made from associated events etc. and that is exactly why Mr. Heskill is interested.
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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Tonylinc said:
At the end of the day ownership of a football club is not going to attract anyone.....THERE IS SIMPLY NO MONEY TO BE MADE FROM FOOTBALL ALONE. The real money is to be made from associated events etc. and that is exactly why Mr. Heskill is interested.
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Why not everyone on here seems to think that you have to have all the money that they make on match days all £5.000 but then you have to spend it on the upkeep pitch repairs seat repairs roof repairs figures don't stack up to me. we have a shit pitch broken seats in block 16 and a leaking roof in telegraph stand
 
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