The western film?
This from someone who had never even heard of thatchers predecessor.
Mutton has to go.
I work for the Council and we've been taking calls from the public and angry at this. Thing is Mutton emailed Cllr Chater, then Chater accidently emailed every single Councillor that Thatcher should have been hung in the 80's from the flagpole on the council house - he accidently send it to all the Councillors, including the conservative ones.
Why? Because you're a Tory and your feelings are hurt? Plenty of people had a lot more than feelings hurt by her.
Frankly that matters not though I think it shows an ignorance of the reality of 1979. There is no question without at least two thatcher terms this country would have been bankrupt.
This however is hardly the point. Mutton is in a respected position. He has shown disrespect and put the council in disrepute. As stu observed a council worker would be held out for the slaughter if he did it.
His position is not tenable. This country needs to act with dignity regardless of viewpoint politically on such occasions how can the masses do this when even elected leaders act with such crass insensivity?
As always when someone as devisive/cantankerous as MT dies ,the dark side of thier charater gets glossed over.Its natural enough to eulegise at someones passing,but the medias attempts to aasuage naturally vented anger is scandalous.
THERE IS NO SOCIETY SHE SAID.
FRANKLY THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY,but then we knew that did,nt we?!!!!
Interesting how you assume i am a Tory. I think from memory I voted once for conservatives in my life.
She did say "there is no such thing as society", but this is the full quote:
"There is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate."
In the context in which it was said, this quote is not nearly as controversial as people claim. It's all semantics.
UKIP? BNP? Your political views suggest you are not left of centre. Ah, of course-Monster Raving Loonie. Should have realised :facepalm:
If you agree with her and don't believe in society I'm sure that's true..the fact is that there was a very real consequence of those words. Ask anyone in Local Government.
BNP is somewhat of an offensive accusation and if you knew me patently absurd. What do they stand for on some issues? I would suspect they are anti EU anti NATO and anti nuclear -- bit like the Labour Party in 1982.
Well, I believe in liberty. I believe in freedom of the individual, and that individuals and families should take more responsibility for themselves and help those around them, rather than rely on an over-bearing state to provide everything. So in that sense, I agree with her; but equally that doesn't mean I don't believe in 'society' in its purest definition.
Also lots that she did I disagreed with. The world is not black and white I'm afraid.
The great irony is that the BNP are actually statist in their outlook - they are a far-left party in many respects (they are pro-trade union, anti free-market, advocate the re-nationalisation of industry and would seek to suppress the individual freedoms many on the right hold dear). It's no surprise the BNP get most of their support in traditional working class areas, because they speak their language (albeit with an unpleasant racist twist).
Yes they are essentially an extremely militant anti democratic institution who wants to destroy the fabric of society.
Precisely the same as the militant unionists of the late 70's.
Thatcher is blamed for crushing the miners but if the picketing was legal this could not have had police intervention. It was illegal as it was a non democratic dictate from the comrades at the top who used their members to further their own ideology.
Well, I believe in liberty. I believe in freedom of the individual, and that individuals and families should take more responsibility for themselves and help those around them, rather than rely on an over-bearing state to provide everything. So in that sense, I agree with her; but equally that doesn't mean I don't believe in 'society' in its purest definition.
Also lots that she did I disagreed with. The world is not black and white I'm afraid.
Strange we have someone apart from the miners and TU things almost certainly and IMO probably personally covered up the Hillsbrough tragedy, called Nelson Mandella a terrorist, openly supported the South African apartied government and the eventually executed despot Nicolae Ceausescu of Romania, yet here we have thread after thread about a comment made in jest privately but "apparently" accidently made public. I don't really have an opinion on councillor Mutton although despite what i have just said re. Thatcher I think thoughts of her death should be kept out of the public domain by politicians especially.
Knowing Margeret Thatcher she would be very happy about these comments which may give support to this present vicous Tory government who are far from finished yet in their prolonged attack on the sick, disabled, poor and vunarable of our society.
Forget Thatcher, beware of the Eton boys
But due to her policies and that of new labour society in general are unable (and unwilling) to take responsibility for those around them because they are too busy trying to keep their own heads above water. Do you know the folk next door? Or the ones two doors down? Or the couple across the road? My parents did. I don't.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't agree with a lot of things thatcher did but I'm not rejoicing she is dead. I wonder if Mutton would be up in arms if a Tory had sent a similar email if a labour leader died?I care not Cllr. Mutton's opinion on politics, or on religion, because they are individual rights and in this fair country are the hallmarks of a democracy. But for a person in the public eye and in a City that puts great value on peace Cllr Hutton has not shown the value of life. His mail, to colleagues, is both childish and disrespectful and I am sure if he had overheard a child saying these things would have told the youngster off. In the past few months Cllr Hutton has come into our lives not through political mastery but through the administration of our club and now voicing a disrespectful comment while representing our City.
If Cllr Hutton craves so much attention I suggest he buy himself a teddybear.
Ultimately the problem you have is you make assumptions based on a broad brush interpretation of issues. On some issues regarding the environment and animal welfare I would be classed I suppose in your simplistic terms as left wing. Economic strategy less so.
BNP is somewhat of an offensive accusation and if you knew me patently absurd. What do they stand for on some issues? I would suspect they are anti EU anti NATO and anti nuclear -- bit like the Labour Party in 1982.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't agree with a lot of things thatcher did but I'm not rejoicing she is dead. I wonder if Mutton would be up in arms if a Tory had sent a similar email if a labour leader died?
Mandela was a commander in the armed wing of the ANC which bombed government buildings. That pretty much fits the bill of a terrorist. Would you say Adams and McGuinness weren't terrorist?
I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't agree with a lot of things thatcher did but I'm not rejoicing she is dead. I wonder if Mutton would be up in arms if a Tory had sent a similar email if a labour leader died?
You're totally missing the point. The fact that she was cold and emotionless when it comes to the suffering of millions needs to be considered. Essentially, she was a bitch, and revelled in her reputation. She wouldn't want her enemies crying for her, she'd want us cursing her and buring her effigy. To censor people's views on her is totally undemocratic. She wasn't the queen, she wasn't She was a mean hearted politician who caused misery and suffering to many. Of course we're glad she's dead!
You're totally missing the point. The fact that she was cold and emotionless when it comes to the suffering of millions needs to be considered. Essentially, she was a bitch, and revelled in her reputation. She wouldn't want her enemies crying for her, she'd want us cursing her and buring her effigy. To censor people's views on her is totally undemocratic. She wasn't the queen! She was a mean hearted politician who caused misery and suffering to many. Of course we're glad she's dead!
I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't agree with a lot of things thatcher did but I'm not rejoicing she is dead. I wonder if Mutton would be up in arms if a Tory had sent a similar email if a labour leader died?
I would of given her one to get rid of sisu though;-)
It's only terrorism if the regime is legitimate; was the attempt to kill Hitler terrorism? From the Nazi's perspective, yes, but to anyone else with a pulse it was the correct thing to do.
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