TurkeyTrot
New Member
You talk as if you knew personally the very very nasty and unpleasant people in the far left.
Oh, and yes I did know a couple of these very very nasty and unpleasant people in the far left.
Hysterical nonsense. The British people suffered more in the 1970s than they did in the 1980s when living standards were raised considerably (both in relative and real terms). You talk as if you knew her personally? She wasn't emotionless; hardly, she was a very emotive person. She didn't revel in her reputation either, she just got on with doing what she thought was right. She took on and defeated some very very nasty and unpleasant people on the far left, and the public thanked her for it, because you may not have noticed, she won every election she contested. In 1987 (after many of the important battles had been won) it was another landslide. Large swathes of the working class voted for her because she like nobody before had empowered them to better themselves.
She wasn't perfect. The poll tax was stupid, and her attitude along with Reagan to SA was questionable, and there were many other things I disagreed with.
And no, you should not censor people, but equally if they are free to say what they like, then they must be prepared to deal with any criticism that comes their way for saying it.
Would that also apply to councillor mutton?
Others on the idiotic left will celebrate when the Queen dies though won't they??
But due to her policies and that of new labour society in general are unable (and unwilling) to take responsibility for those around them because they are too busy trying to keep their own heads above water. Do you know the folk next door? Or the ones two doors down? Or the couple across the road? My parents did. I don't.
There is no coherent left. Hasn't been for decades. My Gran was active in the Labour Party that grew out of the Second World War. Opportunity, fair pay and respect for all. How the hell did this denigrate into the militancy of the '70's which flew directly in the face of that the true Labour Party stood for. It ultimately gave ride to jobs being lost and industries decimated. To look at what happened to our once proud automotive industry makes me angry.
In the year before MT took power, 28 million working days were lost to industrial action. Ten years later in was down to 2. The country was being strangled by unions, not set on protecting and enhancing valuable jobs, but by serving their own politik. The working man ultimately lost. It may be claimed its due to MT, but it's more due to the acidic unions who ruined so much during the 70's. As an aside, manufacturing output rose by 7% during the Thatcher years, but was down again by the end of Brown's tenure.
Do I state such as a Thatcher fan? Hell no. I bloody hate Tories. But I hate more the way the true Labour Party has been hijacked for over 40 years, and has little or no interest in representing those my gran taught me were sacrosanct
Political banter, both sides give and take, the right were delighted when Hugo Chavez died, Thatcher's left equivalent accept Hugo Chavez is, was more popular, in office for longer, more democratic and didn't use tyrannical methods to disperse his opponents.
I just hope JM stays if he goes at this critical time it may give SISU more reason to try and stay as they may think they will break a different leader if the council.
Well they will think it is worth a try anyway
I take it you never heard of his crimes then! How
"Under Chávez, Venezuela became an Oral Republic, a place where an off-the-cuff remark could land you in jail, end your job, see your property seized, or, alternatively, set an orgy of petrodollar spending loose on your community"
You GENUINELY comparing thatcher to him? Are you MENTAL? He ran a dictatorship! Its laughable how the loonies have a go at Thatcher - when their own poster boy Blair sent the country to war not once but TWICE on a lie!
The obsession with respect is pathetic. You want me to respect somebody who I don't respect-who I absolutely fucking loath? No chance. Give me one reason why I should?
One thing that her defenders have in common is that they obviously weren't on the bread line when she was in power like so many were. It's hard to respect somebody who was responsible for your family not being able to afford food or to heat your house when you were a kid! I wrote her a letter about it when I was 7, but I never got a reply..It's very easy to patronise from a smug middle-class ideological standpoint.
You should wash your mouth out with soap. You clearly are not very intelligent or you would understand having respect for the office of Prime Minister. For achieving such high office and to lead your country is deserving of respect in itself. You can loath MT all you want and I don't give a dam but I will respect your opinion.
Just the basic human respect for the dead who have passed on and had their time would be the correct thing to do.
These 'parties' are just bunches of lefty sheep having a laugh at the dead and show no remorse or respect for the dead person or their family. Disgraceful behaviour.
You are nothing short of contemptible. Your ideology is flawed and you lack the brains to figure it out based purely on your own back ground. Insular and pathetic.
Let me tell you back in the mid '80s I was on the dole. I sold everything I had to put into a risky venture, lived off bacon sandwiches for the most part and found ways to get stuff done for little cost and begged and borrowed and and got help from tradesman and suppliers who believed in me. I lived in a caravan for months with a car that was on it's knees. I made that business a great success. To suggest someone like me was 'obviously not on the bread line' again is in itself disrespectful. Stop judging people ass hole!
I know plenty of working class who always voted for MT. I know plenty who vote labour who based on class you would have thought otherwise. MT didn't create division it's people like you that do that.
You should wash your mouth out with soap. You clearly are not very intelligent or you would understand having respect for the office of Prime Minister. For achieving such high office and to lead your country is deserving of respect in itself. You can loath MT all you want and I don't give a dam but I will respect your opinion.
Just the basic human respect for the dead who have passed on and had their time would be the correct thing to do.
These 'parties' are just bunches of lefty sheep having a laugh at the dead and show no remorse or respect for the dead person or their family. Disgraceful behaviour.
You are nothing short of contemptible. Your ideology is flawed and you lack the brains to figure it out based purely on your own back ground. Insular and pathetic.
Let me tell you back in the mid '80s I was on the dole. I sold everything I had to put into a risky venture, lived off bacon sandwiches for the most part and found ways to get stuff done for little cost and begged and borrowed and and got help from tradesman and suppliers who believed in me. I lived in a caravan for months with a car that was on it's knees. I made that business a great success. To suggest someone like me was 'obviously not on the bread line' again is in itself disrespectful. Stop judging people ass hole!
I know plenty of working class who always voted for MT. I know plenty who vote labour who based on class you would have thought otherwise. MT didn't create division it's people like you that do that.
Mostly pious rubbish.
And If you think MT 'didnt create division' you must have been medicated or are a bit dim. FFS she is dead and still creating division!
Hysterical nonsense. The British people suffered more in the 1970s than they did in the 1980s when living standards were raised considerably (both in relative and real terms). .
The obsession with respect is pathetic. You want me to respect somebody who I don't respect-who I absolutely fucking loath? No chance. Give me one reason why I should?
One thing that her defenders have in common is that they obviously weren't on the bread line when she was in power like so many were. It's hard to respect somebody who was responsible for your family not being able to afford food or to heat your house when you were a kid! I wrote her a letter about it when I was 7, but I never got a reply..It's very easy to patronise from a smug middle-class ideological standpoint.
The man is a total clown, symptomatic of the leadership which has let this City down for decades now. There has been no aspiration shown by our civic leaders and that's part of the reason why the football , the rugby club and the city itself is in such a sad state.
Given the fact that, from your profile, you were just 4 years old at the turn of the eighties, I will be gentle in simply saying that this is very possibly the most ridiculous statement I have read on these boards.
Respect is the benchmark of a stable society. Lack of respect shows anarchic tendency. You are not seriously naive enough to believe that most of the people who will protest and cause disturbance are doing so because its Thatcher are you? They will do so as they want to cause disruption and create disorder.
You should step out of the sixth form debating society and enter the real world.
Answer -- what did you want in 1979? In the 70's we had days without power, millions of days lost in productivity, a bankrupt economy with no future, mortuaries stuffed full of the dead, bins lying uncollected for weeks. Is this your vision of a fair society, of social utopia?
Or how about the Labour Party of the 80's? Pull out of NATO, pull out of the common market (BNP policies I would hazard a guess at), keep the 33% tax rate for the people they represent? A junk party that were cap in hand to the unions.
Strange also how for someone so fair minded you rant on about the miners and their plight. This plight was caused by anti democratic process from Scargill.
So your vision seems to be to have fascist style anti democratic alternatives.
You seem upset as you didn't get a letter when 7. Isn't it about time you grew up?
You're not seriously suggesting the 70's were better than the eighties? Now that would be a ridiculous statement!
Most people celebrating her death are either middle class lefties who hated the fact she'd given the (hardworking) working class a chance to better themselves, or the social media Chav followers.
She also said 'there is no such thing as society'I was not one of Maggies happy followers and as I said I left the country because of the lack of job opportunities at that time, but rather than be against her I thank her because I'm loving life. Thatcher gave many people the chance to buy their houses and that was a plus but politically I would say 'I differ from her'. But, she was a character and society was great to grow up in. I loved punk and ska. I loved the humour that existed then. I love the fashion and the energy of the people, and I would say alot of that was down to Thatcherism'. Protests were common-place but Thatcher went on record as saying a society with rebellious young people was a healthy one.
Respect is the benchmark of a stable society. Lack of respect shows anarchic tendency. You are not seriously naive enough to believe that most of the people who will protest and cause disturbance are doing so because its Thatcher are you? They will do so as they want to cause disruption and create disorder.
You should step out of the sixth form debating society and enter the real world.
Answer -- what did you want in 1979? In the 70's we had days without power, millions of days lost in productivity, a bankrupt economy with no future, mortuaries stuffed full of the dead, bins lying uncollected for weeks. Is this your vision of a fair society, of social utopia?
Or how about the Labour Party of the 80's? Pull out of NATO, pull out of the common market (BNP policies I would hazard a guess at), keep the 33% tax rate for the people they represent? A junk party that were cap in hand to the unions.
Strange also how for someone so fair minded you rant on about the miners and their plight. This plight was caused by anti democratic process from Scargill.
So your vision seems to be to have fascist style anti democratic alternatives.
You seem upset as you didn't get a letter when 7. Isn't it about time you grew up?
The miners were the highest paid workers in the country at the time, and yet they still went on strike for even more.
As an aside, manufacturing output rose by 7% during the Thatcher years, but was down again by the end of Brown's tenure.
Considering you have a distinction you seem incapable ever of having a mature debate.
Where are you facts, where are your debating skills?
Which aspects are incorrect? Show some knowledge of the subject instead of childish playground banter.
You come across as someone sadly lacking I'm afraid.
No, this is revisionism. The miners went on strike in response to the planned pit closures. As revealed at the time by the Economist magazine, a decision had been taken as far back as 1975.
It is of course the case that the closure of pits began in the sixties, and that this brought less resistance due to the availability of manufacturing jobs at the time. I think your reposte misses the point however. The politcal thrust behind the reason to accelerate the closures - even of profitable pits - has been well-documented. It is an irony indeed that the politics were supported by an increase in regressive taxes imposed by the govt of 1979-83 and the use of NSO proceeds.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?