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Prince Andrew has covid so will not be attending
Sounds legit…..
you're always going on about how Starmer needs to do things that will be popular with the British public. At this moment in time it's popular to support THE QUEEN, which he's doing.But he’s lying
WATCH: "Patriotic" Starmer Boasting He Wanted to Abolish the Monarchy
Starmer's rebranding of himself and the Labour Party as flag waving patriots who, like their lost Red Wall voters, "love their Queen and country", has hitorder-order.com
What about Brown, May and Johnson when they took over? Elected by the parties but not by the people. Surely if there is a leadership change there should be a GE?Bit like Brezhnev was elected by the USSR then?
you're always going on about how Starmer needs to do things that will be popular with the British public. At this moment in time it's popular to support THE QUEEN, which he's doing.
Had he come out saying 'abolish the monarchy' you'd be saying how he was tone deaf and out of touch with what the public wants.
And before we get into a debate about principles and believing in something, you constantly excuse the man who is probably the least principled and follows populist opinion the most in the country.
I think we need to look at it as the popularity of the queen as opposed to popularity of the monarchy.It’s more a case of SBT ahead of the curve. The popularity of the monarchy has been falling for years. Traditionally it sees an up turn in jubilee years. Not happened this year. The trend remains on a downward curve. It’s still above 50 % in favour but amongst younger adults the monarchy is about as popular as a fart at a funeral. Royalists are a dying breed and I can’t see the behaviour of Andrew and the Queen bailing him out garnering any favour with the more awake generations to reverse that. The monarchy isn’t going to survive another 70 years without a major reform.
Yep. They need to learn there's a difference between patriotism and nationalism.The other thing I'd add, is that I'm not going to let the right claim patriotism as their own.
I love my country too, the difference between me and them is that I want it to work for everyone in it. At the moment the ones that need the most get the least, and vice versa.
Those lines have been blurred very deliberately.Yep. They need to learn there's a difference between patriotism and nationalism.
DemocracyJust seen the news reports on the scum protesters. Fkn weird. Lots of things I don't like, but let people who do enjoy them. Why would you spend your money travelling and risk being arrested making a tool of yourself just to disrupt something you don't like? People can be horrifically stupid at times.
Democracy
No different being a xian or not I don’t thinkSerious question. How does pro monarchy sit with being a Christian?
The reason I ask is because the royal family tree gives them Devine rights and basically says they’re direct descendants of Adam and Eve. Unless you’re a Christian surely this this makes it difficult to be pro monarchy. Basically the royal family is only the royal family because they were chosen by god. When you actually start reading into the history of the royal family it gets very Kim Jong-Un like.
Surewhich delivered Johnson and Brexit
TBF Pete although I appreciate the reply I wasn’t really aiming my question to you. Specifically because I’ve seen you receive scorn for being a Christian and expressing that view. Pretty sure that’s been by some of the same people who worship a monarchy who are only monarchy because of a historical Devine right that assumes that they’re directly descended from god.No different being a xian or not I don’t think
for me
Pro jesus
Ambivalent to monarchy
Abhorred by injustice and privilege
I am white and a man so aware I am pretty privileged
I can see that argumentTBF Pete although I appreciate the reply I wasn’t really aiming my question to you. Specifically because I’ve seen you receive scorn for being a Christian and expressing that view. Pretty sure that’s been by some of the same people who worship a monarchy who are only monarchy because of a historical Devine right that assumes that they’re directly descended from god.
There’s a contradiction. Being a royalist is tantamount to being Christian fundamentalists in many ways yet many (not just on here) don’t understand that.
The funny thing I’ve seen is the argument of what harm does it do??? And you’re like what!!!!!!!TBF Pete although I appreciate the reply I wasn’t really aiming my question to you. Specifically because I’ve seen you receive scorn for being a Christian and expressing that view. Pretty sure that’s been by some of the same people who worship a monarchy who are only monarchy because of a historical Devine right that assumes that they’re directly descended from god.
There’s a contradiction. Being a royalist is tantamount to being Christian fundamentalists in many ways yet many (not just on here) don’t understand that.
This thread is hilarious
There’s only you who’s ecstatic winding others upSomeone again isn’t happy.
Wasn’t Queen Victoria grandmother to both Elizabeth and Philip? Who incidentally married her first cousin.I refuse to celebrate a woman who married her cousin.
There’s only you who’s ecstatic winding others up
Someone again isn’t happy.
I don’t even understand what that meansOh the hand wringing nonsense is hilarious - people who are so earnest who actually only ever think of themselves but pretend they care
Nah. Out of place idealistic hippie I will grant you though.
Frowned upon in nuneaton, celebrated in Westminster.Wasn’t Queen Victoria grandmother to both Elizabeth and Philip? Who incidentally married he first cousin.
Frowned upon in nuneaton, celebrated in Westminster.
They are pathetic
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