Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Not really mate, i’m not the one advocating the right to express hate speech.
Not really mate, i’m not the one advocating the right to express hate speech.Just lost any credibility you may have had.
You should probably try and get back in touch with the real world at some point if you think that’s actually going to happen and worth mentioning.Did you know that this week alone, people are campaigning for words like geek and nerd to be included under 'hate speech' laws.
Yup. People campaign for all kinds of daft and strange shit. It doesn't mean we should give it any credence.You should probably try and get back in touch with the real world at some point if you think that’s actually going to happen and worth mentioning.
Not really mate, i’m not the one advocating the right to express hate speech.
Just admit you're wrong and we don't have free speech in this country.
What about that man that was so sick of his girlfriend going on about there dog, that he taught his dog to raise its paw when he said 'gas the jews'
Clearly a joke, but was convicted of a hate crime.
Hate is completely objective depending on the person suffering it and that's the problem with so called hate speech.
It's not necessarily about targeting minority sections of society, presumably you'd be fully supportive of someone being able to openly encourage violence against people of this country and their right to have a platform to express this?Hate is completely objective depending on the person suffering it and that's the problem with so called hate speech.
Once you start giving one group special privileges every marginalised section of society will come out and demand action on speech.
That's why we need absolute free speech and we almost certainly do not have that.
You can't have total free speech can you? If there are no repercussions for anything you say, then you would be free to to tell someone you are going to kill them, that black people are a sub-species, that Jews deserved to be gassed etc. etc.It's not necessarily about targeting sections of society, presumably you'd be fully supportive of someone being able to openly encourage violence against people of this country and their right to have a platform to express this?
Chromosomes determine biological sex/gender.I think it's the difference in background.
From a legal perspective people can change sex, so a judge is going to look at it from that perspective.
From a biological perspective humans cannot change sex. There are some species that can (mainly fish and amphibians I believe) and we can't naturally go through that same process. In order to make physical changes we need to undergo surgery and have additional hormones injected etc for any changes to occur. So a scientist will see it from that perspective.
Within certain boundaries.Well, we do actually have free speech.
So a man that surgically changes sex to a woman can still get an erection?
I think I'm broadly with the judge on this, although I can see a lot of grey areas (insert own joke here...).
Obviously he can't say "but you are still biologically the same gender...so you're still a bloke really" or words to that effect, for startersYeah things like racism, xenophobia and homophobia should just be one big free for all eh? What exactly do you feel you’re being prevented from saying by the country’s laws?
You can't have total free speech can you? If there are no repercussions for anything you say, then you would be free to to tell someone you are going to kill them, that black people are a sub-species, that Jews deserved to be gassed etc. etc.
It's not free speech if there is a consequence to what you say and surely there has to be a consequence to someone making death threats.
Otherwise everyone can just say everything they say is just banta.
Respect...that is what it all comes down to. Just because some things don't sit right with us doesn't mean we can be unpleasant to/about them.Im saying they should be treated with respect same as anyone else. But also that reality is a thing and there are circumstances where it needs to take precedent.
So racism is okay as long as you don't use it in attack, or advocate bad behaviour of others towards attack?If you think it’s okay for people to be use racism to attack people or to advocate murder done ones beliefs then fair enough I guess.
We have free speech, but it is impossible to have total free speech.Yep, exactly.
On the face of it it is ridiculous...but then it is often used by intellectually lazy people to describe intellectually enthusiastic people in a negative/offensive way.Did you know that this week alone, people are campaigning for words like geek and nerd to be included under 'hate speech' laws.
So racism is okay as long as you don't use it in attack, or advocate bad behaviour of others towards attack?
Some might say those idiots doing the monkey chants at football matches aren't attacking anyone. "Banter innit?" They might say.
I'm with Schmmeee on this in finding it all fascinating how we have such a wide variety of thought on acceptable or not.
Bit like a young woman out on the town looking for a suitor on a Friday night. Some >50yr year old guy (probably MartCov lol) says "lovely arse luv" & gets roundly verbally chastised. 20meters further on some gym bunny with my looks says exactly the same thing & is welcomed with open arms.
Proving once again, offence can only be taken...so to respect others we have to try to find the most respectful & inoffensive way of getting the message across...bloody minefield isn't it?
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You seripusly cannot see how the bit highlighted could be offensive to white males? It could be interpreted as racist because the insinuation is that hate speech is the preserve of white males...which we all know it isn'tNot really mate, i’m not the one advocating the right to express hate speech.
I’m not taking exclusively about racism, the point is is that it’s easy to pass judgement on others when you’re in the majority.You seripusly cannot see how the bit highlighted could be offensive to white males? It could be interpreted as racist because the insinuation is that hate speech is the preserve of white males...which we all know it isn't
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I think it is all from attitudes that bark back to the 'good old days'. Due to the prevalence & pattern of conversations heard as a child - until I knew someone that was openly gay - I could easily have developed into a homophobe with the unspoken but discomforting belief that all homosexuals had a desire to take me roughly from behind AND liked young boys (i.e. paomedophile!)A kid at school who wishes to identify as the opposite gender wishes to use the toilet of that gender. The school say no. Many parents object as well. The child has to use the disabled toilet as a compromise.
This happened at a school I taught over 10 years ago. That child was in my class. We were all aware that this particular child was to identify as the opposite sex many weeks before it happened. The child left on the Friday as "Mark" and returned on the following Monday as "Faith" .The school supported the child as best it could. Occasionally I called the child by the wrong name once they made the "switch" but soon got used to it. I could never refer to him as "she" however, because to me "she" wasn't a female, so I never ever engaged in a he/she conversation in the classroom. The kids at school all seemed to take it in their stride . Swimming lessons were very tricky. So many parents refused to allow the child into the female changing rooms that this particular child had to go to the disabled changing facility accompanied by a T.A. The child at that time was only 10 years old.
Anyone think that the parents' objection were discriminatory ? Anyone considers my decision not to refer to that child as "she" is wrong ?
Agree entirely. Have said the same in some other thread at some point.I’m not taking exclusively about racism, the point is is that it’s easy to pass judgement on others when you’re in the majority.
Sorry if I was unclear - you specifically used racism to attack someone. I wasn't accusing you, merely asking the question.WTF, where have I said racism is okay as long as it’s not attacking anyone? Any sort of racism is abhorrent, whether it is to attack someone or not.
The right to say whatever you want would also mean that people would be free to racially abuse people at a football match as it would be their freedom of speech. We’ve already seen gassing the Jews described as a joke on this thread, so I guess anti-Semitic chants would also be okay.
I'm with Schmmeee on this in finding it all fascinating how we have such a wide variety of thought on acceptable or not.
Bloody minefield isn't it?
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We have free speech, but it is impossible to have total free speech.
Is anyone truly advocating that? More free speech, fair enough, but complete and total free speech?
Just how lovely would it be if people came up to your wife, or girlfriend, or worst of all, your son or daughter and said 'I am going to rape you.'
Free speech, innit.
Just how lovely would it be if people came up to your wife, or girlfriend, or worst of all, your son or daughter and said 'I am going to rape you.'
Free speech, innit.
If someone wants to be called he or she then just call them what they want, its not difficult and doesn't mean you agree with their choice.
Clearly nobody should be fired for a genuine mistake but in that instance wouldn't you just apologise and move on. Sure in most cases it would be fairly obvious if it was a genuine mistake and / or the person being deliberately offended to make things difficult. That's very different to what's happened here with someone consistently refusing to use the preferred pronoun.That's all well and good until you forget which specific pronoun out of the hundreds available that someone is and they then get you fired because you "miss gendered" them.
No different to something like catholics and homosexuality is it? You can have that belief but if you went into work and started ranting at somebody who was homosexual, or even just anyone in general, you'd expect to be hearing from HR pretty swiftly.And what if you're Christian or Muslim and your faith goes against such things and you do find it extremely difficult?
No different to something like catholics and homosexuality is it? You can have that belief but if you went into work and started ranting at somebody who was homosexual, or even just anyone in general, you'd expect to be hearing from HR pretty swiftly.
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